Did you see a some discrepance with real model?There are no fine technician screwdriver, but there are two awls there.Is it mistake? What do you think?
From my point of view, the result of such transformation should get a new name, but Victorinox decided to use old ones.
I don't know why some manufacturers like Victorinox use the same name for different SAK models since it causes needless confusion and disappointment when the buyer believes he/she is purchasing one model but receives another.
Thanks for the great post LeaF - Fantastic pics and explanations ..... as always And very, very interesting to see the differences from the old XL and also this ....... Quote from: LeaF on October 17, 2017, 04:24:39 PMDid you see a some discrepance with real model?There are no fine technician screwdriver, but there are two awls there.Is it mistake? What do you think?I think Syph is right - An error - I checked the catalogue and it has the fine SD and an awl I can see why they made the error too - in the catalogue the awl is in the middle of the knife, and the SD in the normal awl position, which I guess has confused the assembler ..... Not sure whether I woud be annoyed to have an imperfect knife, or really pleased I have a collectable factory mistake! Re this:Quote from: LeaF on October 17, 2017, 04:24:39 PMFrom my point of view, the result of such transformation should get a new name, but Victorinox decided to use old ones.and this:Quote from: NorCalJim on October 17, 2017, 05:17:27 PMI don't know why some manufacturers like Victorinox use the same name for different SAK models since it causes needless confusion and disappointment when the buyer believes he/she is purchasing one model but receives another.LeaF and I have discussed this over in the Wiki thread and also via PM .... And we have a difference of opinion !! To me this is the same model - But a development/progression in that model - And one that completely replaces its predecessor, ie. the factory is only making the new XL now.And from a Wiki perspective I think it is best to have it all in one page too !!For three reasons .....It keeps the overall number of pages down It avoids having two pages that are pretty much duplicates of each other - To me this is what causes confusion !!But most importantly:A Wiki user can see all on one page how this model developed ..... as opposed to having to flick between two separate pagesI have been putting this kind of information in the History sections of the Wiki model pages - So the user has all the information they need in one place.If we had a new page every time a feature changed on a model - the Wiki would explode !! Granted this particular development is quite a significant change !!Be good to get your view - Whady'all think
TWO awls?!! The work of the devil himself if you ask me...
The dual awls has to be a factory error.
LeaF, I think you 're a Universe's only SAK collector who has exclusive SAK with two awls in it.
I think Syph is right - An error - I checked the catalogue and it has the fine SD and an awl I can see why they made the error too - in the catalogue the awl is in the middle of the knife, and the SD in the normal awl position, which I guess has confused the assembler ..... Not sure whether I woud be annoyed to have an imperfect knife, or really pleased I have a collectable factory mistake!
LeaF and I have discussed this over in the Wiki thread and also via PM .... And we have a difference of opinion !!
A Yeoman is known for its 3-layer tool set but I purchased a Yeoman in name but the tool set was identical to that of the Explorer
This I think is a slightly different problem to the one LeaF is talking about - and is caused by Vic importers or other countries renaming models from the official Vic namesSwiss Army Brands Inc in the US seem to have been a bit guilty of this in the past !!There were also some Canadian versions - One called the Hiker I think - That was a Spartan !!
Thanks all for the replies and discussion! I absolutely forgot to include separate photos of original (slide-lock) WorkChamp XL to this thread.If someone would like to review them - please check here (https://leaf-vics.com/2014/12/393-workchamp-xl.html)Quote from: Syph007 on October 17, 2017, 07:36:50 PMThe dual awls has to be a factory error.Quote from: Frater_Martin on October 18, 2017, 05:40:01 AMLeaF, I think you 're a Universe's only SAK collector who has exclusive SAK with two awls in it.Quote from: Huntsman on October 17, 2017, 11:53:32 PMI think Syph is right - An error - I checked the catalogue and it has the fine SD and an awl I can see why they made the error too - in the catalogue the awl is in the middle of the knife, and the SD in the normal awl position, which I guess has confused the assembler ..... Not sure whether I woud be annoyed to have an imperfect knife, or really pleased I have a collectable factory mistake! Mates, it's hard to say, but I need to dissapoint you I've asked my local Victorinox dealer to check situation with their XLs - the situation is the same (Two awls, no SD).Mine was bought in Switzerland, Ukrainian ones has the same mistake in assembling. Maybe someone from you can check this issue with your stores? Just to be sure?
Weird! I cant tell from the pictures, but what are the topside tools on those two layers with the awls? The fine driver is a thinner tool (same thickness as wood/metal saw) than the awl.
The Hiker sold otherwise has a saw tool and a philips screwdriver in place of the corkscrew. I have one which I got specifically for whittling when out in the bush.
Should we propose that the Vic website is maintained by the MT.o Wiki team ... We'd do a better job!