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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #30 on: May 07, 2019, 03:17:51 AM
I have organised it into sections
Any suggestions/comments/feedback gratefully received
I believe that "Ulli's Advertising SAKs with year stamps" belongs in "Dating Resources."


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Reply #31 on: May 08, 2019, 02:58:10 AM
Thanks MC - Agree - :tu: - Fixed

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Reply #32 on: May 08, 2019, 03:04:23 PM
Thanks MC - Agree - :tu: - Fixed
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Reply #33 on: February 10, 2021, 08:25:38 PM
Hello Everyone,

There is a new Book out for Swiss Soldiers Knifes from this year.
It is in german and contains a lot of Informations. Therefore it is not cheap (Fr. 100.-).
It is quite rare at the moment and only to get from the author (which I happend to know).
So, it is hard to get and I was lucky to get some.

The Name is: Das Schweizer Soldatenmesser.

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Reply #34 on: February 11, 2021, 01:16:54 AM
Thanks - Looks interesting

My German almost covers the cover - But not much more - English version would be nice

But Wow 100 fr (chf?) - That;s expensive - I guess it is self-published1


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Reply #35 on: February 11, 2021, 08:54:01 PM
You are kind of right, it is was printed in a low number and sold over a e-bay like platform in switzerland.
We will see how it is developing. But I think the 100.- will not go down any time soon, or if there will be an english version.

But the author will develop the book.


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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #36 on: February 12, 2021, 09:08:59 AM
A new book is always cool!  What is new in it compared to the previous ones?  By the way, what does it say about knives with SMV / E and SMV / W stamps?


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Reply #37 on: February 13, 2021, 09:30:25 PM
A new book is always cool!  What is new in it compared to the previous ones?  By the way, what does it say about knives with SMV / E and SMV / W stamps?


There is a Section about those Blades with the one Letter Mark. There is E, W, B, R, and II.
Sertain is, that E is Elsener and W is Wenger. B and R is not prooven, but could be Bühler and Rietmüller. Who is behind the the II Mark is unknown.
On the Soldiers Knives those Blades where used for replacement. If a Knife was repaired in a cerain time (around 1908 to 1920) they used replacement Blades with those short Stamps.

Another Section is about the SMV Marks.
There are two different SMV Marks. Those where Special Runs for the anniversary of the Swiss Master Knivemakers Assosiation. They where given to the Members of the Guilde.
Probbably for an early anniversary and a later one. E Knives where produced by Elsener and W ones by Wenger.

If there is the need of further Informations for Swiss Soldiers Knives, I am Happy to assist.
But you have to bear with my english, I am still learning.

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Reply #38 on: February 13, 2021, 09:31:01 PM
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Reply #39 on: February 14, 2021, 08:55:05 AM
Thanks for the answer! I’d like to see site according this book, something like well known this one:

https://www.couteaux-du-soldat-suisse.ch/J01/index.php/en/
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Reply #40 on: May 29, 2021, 03:28:20 PM
Here the 5. Page
Hello SAK118!
Can I ask you one more question please? Here’s mod.1901 by Forges L&C Vallorbe with marking on handles 1911 and 238966. I guess 238966 can be a serial number of Rubin-Schmidt rifle (made in 1899) but why year (?) 1911 this case? End of army service ? Maybe these marks were made after the service for sentimental reason (btw tools are nickel plated like many knives from later period). What do you think? Thank you!



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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #41 on: October 31, 2021, 12:49:25 AM
Sorry for the delay.

The Number is the Rifle Number for sure. The 1911 I don't know.
There are a few possible answers. But I miss the Weapons control mark. It should be where the 1911 Mark is.
So I think it is a civil knife which was used in the service and the solder maked it for identification.
That is the most possible answer.

In case of the book, the secons edition is out now. This is in german and english now.


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Reply #42 on: October 31, 2021, 12:55:40 AM
For anyone who is interested, here are the contents of the 3th edition of "The Swiss Soldiers Knives"


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Reply #43 on: October 31, 2021, 07:44:56 AM
Thank you,  SAK118. New book version looks really cool, thanks for sharing.


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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #44 on: October 31, 2021, 11:40:16 AM
Bloody Hell - Nearly 400 pages -  :o   -  That is a lot of information


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Reply #45 on: October 31, 2021, 05:24:45 PM
Bloody Hell indeed. It was a lot of work to collect all the informations and put them together.

The price of the Book is $111.-
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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #46 on: November 02, 2021, 04:26:39 AM
Hello there,

I’ve been trying for a week to identify one of my dads vintage Wenger, he passes away ten years ago so I can’t ask him.

The main reason I’m having difficulty is that the main blade is not one of the usual ones and the small blade (almost like a watch opener) appears to be brass

If anyone knows what it is that would be amazing coz I’m going crazy with this one and my research is getting me no where
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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #47 on: November 02, 2021, 08:01:42 AM
Hello there,

I’ve been trying for a week to identify one of my dads vintage Wenger, he passes away ten years ago so I can’t ask him.

The main reason I’m having difficulty is that the main blade is not one of the usual ones and the small blade (almost like a watch opener) appears to be brass

If anyone knows what it is that would be amazing coz I’m going crazy with this one and my research is getting me no where


Similar to the Wenger Graft 06 maybe?


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Re: SAK / Swisstool dating and identification resources
Reply #48 on: November 02, 2021, 11:59:50 AM
Wow - Nice research Zoidy - You beat SAKWiki and hit the bulls eye.


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Reply #49 on: November 14, 2021, 10:16:39 PM
Bloody Hell indeed. It was a lot of work to collect all the informations and put them together.

The price of the Book is $111.-

Hi all,

Just a quick note to say I was lucky to get a copy of Stephan's new book.  It is an amazing collection of information and an obvious work of passion -- a must-have for the serious or casual collector of Swiss soldier SAKs. 

Myron


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Reply #50 on: January 30, 2022, 11:44:35 AM
That does look like a ‘must have’ - how did you manage to get hold of a copy, Myron?


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Reply #51 on: January 30, 2022, 02:34:36 PM
Hi Henry,

I sent the author a PM, if I recall correctly.  While we were conversing by PM, a friend in Switzerland reached out completely by coincidence to say he'd bought a couple copies and did I want one, so I ended up with edition no. 2, signed by the author. 

It's really an amazing work.   Just typing and proofreading the text alone must amount to hundreds of hours, and of course I think he published it in more than one language. 

Good luck finding a copy. 

Myron
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Reply #52 on: February 02, 2022, 05:42:52 PM
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Reply #53 on: February 02, 2022, 05:44:50 PM
As a side note. To the U.K. about 40 Franks.


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Reply #54 on: February 03, 2022, 07:43:24 AM
Thanks Myron and SAK 118 - I’ll be in touch!


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Reply #55 on: May 23, 2022, 03:25:19 PM
Hello SAK118!
Can I ask you one more question please? Here’s mod.1901 by Forges L&C Vallorbe with marking on handles 1911 and 238966. I guess 238966 can be a serial number of Rubin-Schmidt rifle (made in 1899) but why year (?) 1911 this case? End of army service ? Maybe these marks were made after the service for sentimental reason (btw tools are nickel plated like many knives from later period). What do you think? Thank you!
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Got an answer to my old question today.  In his wonderful new video, Elsi Nox shows documents that the soldiers of the Swiss army at that time usually turned in knives at the end of their service and then the knives were issued again. So the first owner of my mod.1901 (mod.1890 ver.2) marked the handle with his rifle number from 1899 and the subsequent owner marked 1912, possibly the year of his service .

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Reply #56 on: June 28, 2022, 03:49:16 PM
Amazing - Great info Jnoxd and elsinox


 

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