Quote from: gerleatherberman on March 14, 2018, 06:26:36 AMOne of the most truly brilliant humans in history. His incredible insight and foresight will forever be remembered. May those who guide the world look back to his acute sense of humanity and morality!Humanity and morality? It is well-known that he was a recidivist divorcee with a penchant for strip clubs. His philosophy, which denied ab initio the possibility of a creator - though all objective evidence points at the conclusion that every effect (the universe) has a cause equal to or greater than itself - led him to forward the truly kooky notion that nothing created everything - nevermind that he offered no evidence of his thesis. As for his "morality", his worldview denies the possibility of objective morality because philosophical naturalism posits that there is no objective good or bad in the universe. We cannot ascribe morality to someone who denies its existence.Were it not for his confinement to a wheelchair and his electronic voice, few of us would have ever heard of him. But the greatest, most brilliant genius of our times he was surely not. (Image removed from quote.) Running for cover!
One of the most truly brilliant humans in history. His incredible insight and foresight will forever be remembered. May those who guide the world look back to his acute sense of humanity and morality!
Steven's passing is indeed a great loss to the nation and to science. I lack both the intellect and indeed the prejudice to judge his mind and his theories, but he is, was, and will remain, a highly regarded theoretical physicist, accomplished author, and father of three. It is sad to see that some people feel compelled to mark his passing with derogatory comments. I am in no position nor feel no need to pass judgement on him, but would like to express my thanks for his work and dedication despite his life adversity. If nothing else he was a great inspiration that one can still achieve great thing when faced with debilitating life challenges.Thank you, Steven, and may you rest in peace.
Without turning this into a religious debate, which has no place on this forum, one does not need belief in a deity to have morality. I did not know Stephen personally, so I will make no judgement on his.Stephen's passing is indeed a great loss to the nation and to science. I lack both the intellect and indeed the prejudice to judge his mind and his theories, but he is, was, and will remain, a highly regarded theoretical physicist, accomplished author, and father of three. It is sad to see that some people feel compelled to mark his passing with derogatory comments. I am in no position nor feel no need to pass judgement on him, but would like to express my thanks for his work and dedication despite his life adversity. If nothing else he was a great inspiration that one can still achieve great thing when faced with debilitating life challenges.Thank you, Stephen, and may you rest in peace.
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Quote from: powernoodle on March 14, 2018, 07:21:11 PMQuote from: gerleatherberman on March 14, 2018, 06:26:36 AMOne of the most truly brilliant humans in history. His incredible insight and foresight will forever be remembered. May those who guide the world look back to his acute sense of humanity and morality!Humanity and morality? It is well-known that he was a recidivist divorcee with a penchant for strip clubs. His philosophy, which denied ab initio the possibility of a creator - though all objective evidence points at the conclusion that every effect (the universe) has a cause equal to or greater than itself - led him to forward the truly kooky notion that nothing created everything - nevermind that he offered no evidence of his thesis. As for his "morality", his worldview denies the possibility of objective morality because philosophical naturalism posits that there is no objective good or bad in the universe. We cannot ascribe morality to someone who denies its existence.Were it not for his confinement to a wheelchair and his electronic voice, few of us would have ever heard of him. But the greatest, most brilliant genius of our times he was surely not. (Image removed from quote.) Running for cover!Without turning this into a religious debate, which has no place on this forum, one does not need belief in a deity to have morality. I did not know Steven personally, so I will make no judgement on his.Steven's passing is indeed a great loss to the nation and to science. I lack both the intellect and indeed the prejudice to judge his mind and his theories, but he is, was, and will remain, a highly regarded theoretical physicist, accomplished author, and father of three. It is sad to see that some people feel compelled to mark his passing with derogatory comments. I am in no position nor feel no need to pass judgement on him, but would like to express my thanks for his work and dedication despite his life adversity. If nothing else he was a great inspiration that one can still achieve great thing when faced with debilitating life challenges.Thank you, Steven, and may you rest in peace.
The thing I was saying is that it was not due to him being a most special genius of them all. There are a lot of geniuses among the 7.4 billion humans even though there are not many percent wise. What he achieved was not only due to his intelligence but due to hard work and perseverance. Many of those that are smart enough don't do anything approaching what he did because it is hard, takes a long time and there is no way to know if you will succeed when you start. If that (my) view of how things get done diminishes his achievements in anyone's eyes then he or she must have a lot different definition of what is success than I. If that is a nihilistic compared to he did it because he was born to do it then I can't help it. In my eyes my world view hives him a lot more agency than a standard heroic worldview.
As for no one being really important in the great scheme of things (as in stuff gets invented one way or another) see:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_discoveryvshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroic_theory_of_invention_and_scientific_developmentOr in other words he did not stand on shoulders of giants but on piles of hard working smart people like him. And yes there is a big difference.
As for the view only he could do it see:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multiple_discoveriesI would wager that more often than not this is the case. Discoveries and inventions don't happen in a vacuum. The intellectual sitting on the rock and contemplating and then shouting eureka at everyone is simply a false model of reality. In fact important advancements happen as an interplay between before mentioned piles of hard working smart people. And in the process some of them are inevitably wrong despite them being smart and hard working.
As for the press not recognising many important scientists we agree.
I will not send you travelling as you tried sending me.
It is well-known that he was a recidivist divorcee with a penchant for strip clubs.
I am not smurfing on him. And don't put words of others (strippers) nor yours in my mouth.
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