LM, SOG, Victorinox, etc?
the idea.A first go could be to make a list of implements (grouped by manufacturer?) and detailing things like tang thickness, pivot size, profile details of the tang (such as lock slots) but also of the implement (length and width)... thickness profile as well, I found out that some tools are thicker in their "live" area than at the tang (e.g. Phillips from a Surge).I've once made a small, limited list of this kind for the Wave/Charge and Rebar.This list could grow to be very, very long. Also, we'd have to establish a layout, and contents as well as presentation of same (profile info with a 1:1 drawing or projection)...
Internal tools from the Leatherman Blast, Fuse, Kick, Rebar, gen 2 Wave (and newer plus models), Signal and Charge (Al, TTi, etc.) all share the same pivot diameters and locking notch arrangement. The thicknesses vary (see Dutch_Tooler's post linked upthread), and some may need modification to clear plier heads and other internal features when closed.Similarly, the plier heads from the same tools are interchangeable with two exceptions: the Rebar head may not fit into a Wave/Charge without further modification, and the Kick plier head is profiled on one side to clear the long internal tools.Sidekick and Wingman (and Rev/Leap?) tools can be made to fit into the above multitools with a bit of grinding to the lock/nail nick area but the pliers, knife, saw and scissors pivot holes are smaller and need enlarging.Wave, Charge and Signal knife blades, saws and files are interchangeable, with the possible exception of the liner locking ramp angle. Some modification may be needed to the Wave/Charge blade locking arm if you swap a blade for a file/saw.
I would like to add that most modern tools from Sog, LM and Gerber uses the same pivot size. They are 4.5mm on the tools side.
Quote from: Sam Lim on November 06, 2018, 03:35:40 PMI would like to add that most modern tools from Sog, LM and Gerber uses the same pivot size. They are 4.5mm on the tools side. The pivot is 3/16" (4.76 mm), I believe. I can't quite recall what the Wave/Rebar/etc. pliers pivot size is. 7/32" (5.56 mm), maybe?
Quote from: irona on January 16, 2017, 07:52:11 AMHi, I'm very interested in modding my PST, but I have some concern about the tools fitting. Does someone with a digital caliper have the measurements of the thickness (of the area around the pivot hole) of the wave/charge saw, and of the surge saw/file holder. Thanks a ton!reference InformationDiameter axes:The diameter of the PST pliers axis - 4.8mm, length 9mmDiameter pliers axis Wave Original - 4.8mm, length of 14.4 mmDiameter pliers axis Wave New - 5.5mm, length of 13.3 mmDiameter pliers axis Blast / Fuse / Kick - 5.5mm, length 16.4 / 14.8 / mm?Diameter pliers axis ST300 - 5.5mm, the length of 9.5 mmDiameter pliers axis Surge - 5.5mm, length 15.5mmThe diameter of the PST tool axis - 4.8mmThe diameter of the tool axis Wave Original -4.8 mm, length 13.1 mmThe diameter of the tool axis Wave - 4.8mmThe diameter of the tool axis Blast / Fuse / Kick - 4.8mm, length 16.4 / 14.8 / mm?The diameter of the tool axis ST300 - 4.8mmShaft diameter with tools Surge- 4.8mm, Length 16.7mmThickness tools:Phillips screwdriver Kick / Fuse / Blast - 5mmOpener Kick / Fuse / Blast / Wave / Charge - 1,87mmKnife Kick - 1,74mmRing Lanyard Kick / Fuse / Blast - 0,77 mmAll the other instruments (approximately) - 2,34-2,36mmTools SOG - 1,98mm (except adapter on bits)
Hi, I'm very interested in modding my PST, but I have some concern about the tools fitting. Does someone with a digital caliper have the measurements of the thickness (of the area around the pivot hole) of the wave/charge saw, and of the surge saw/file holder. Thanks a ton!
Sam,Good thread idea! Thank you. Have you used any Flik tools(Saw and scissors) in an MP600? I have a beater Flik that was used as fodder for the plastic slide things and pliers replacement. Was thinking about just breaking it apart to customize another MP600/400.
Thanks, Sam! I'll leave the Flik alone for now. Maybe a messed up Flik with good pliers will show up one day. Yeah, the plier mechanism is ridiculous, to work on. Getting the 4 slide screws aligned through the plastic piece and two levels into the threads took 20 minutes when I did the swap.
Nice mod (and info) Sam "Work on the locking notch" of which nature? Well, I know, filing or sanding, but what are the differences in profile?
I'll just add, that I put a LM Blast/Fuse Phillips, scissors and can opener on a SOG Powerlock with successNo grinding, sanding, cutting or modding needed, they fit just in and lock with minimal wobble (Image removed from quote.)
Quote from: Dutch_Tooler on November 07, 2018, 08:39:14 AMNice mod (and info) Sam "Work on the locking notch" of which nature? Well, I know, filing or sanding, but what are the differences in profile?(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)The profile are very close. Just need to enlarge the notch a little. Go slow though. Any slight misalignment here and the tip of that tool will go off by a large angle. And that's super irritating. Its a one chance kind of thing.
This type of thread is a great idea for those of us tempted to try modding. However, I would prefer a separate thread for SAKS, mostly to avoid having to search past info that is irrelevant (and vice versa for pliers based tools).Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
here u go. It will not work...