In that video above at around the 36.28 mark the tools comes flying out as he's trying to butterfly open the pliers
We've already got the best LMs ever made, and are using them an entire 30-day run. And they don't come in grey sheaths. The Free, to me anyway, is an urban type carry with mad fiddle-factor. A P2 should be waiting for me when I get home from work.
I just tried a P2. Same issue if you snap the pliers open. Not an issue on the P4. Does not bode well for their QC. The video didn’t load but the picture shows the result. (Image removed from quote.)Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
thrilled indeed, Sea Monster. To the P2.I've been sitting around playing with the P2 for a bit. I feel the tool is worth the cost for sure. Not as excited as I hoped to be, but that is my problem, not the tool's. Going forward; The tool is built very well and the QC is outstanding. The design should be worthy of MT of the year, because of HOW cool the engineering involved is. I have a lot of respect for the design, QC, function, and USA-manufacturing. It isn't going to dethrone my Charge anytime soon(since the magnet would get steel wool dust on them at my job, but I may try it anyway), but it sure is a kickazz tool. Very well made and fun to play with. VERY FUN.Swinging the plier out gently, as is directed will not pop any tools out. At least not on my example. You're supposed to swing the handles out gently and then slowly click the handles into place anyway. I cannot get mine pop any tools out with realistic usage motions.If you bought one (or thinking of buying one) and are worried about that, just swing it open and pop the pliers into place holding the side with the awl. That'll lessen the momentum incurred by aggressive flipping. The side with the blade is tighter and doesn't really have any possible hazards(the sharp package edge on the flat driver would be almost impossible to get your finger on this way). The blade is blocked from opening when the pliers are engaged, so that won't be an issue. The only tool that would cut you, if you are completely oblivious to using the tool(which tools should always be taken seriously), is the awl. But, that said, it isn't quite as much of an issue as is being worried about here. I hope that helps explain it and possible methods to reduce possible partial opening.You could always use two security torx bits to tighten the pivot a little, if you're worried about any tools popping open when slipping the pliers or cutting somethong thick. But, if LM had made the tools tighter, then they wouldn't be easily opened OH and people would be talking about how tight they are. Catch-22.Sidenote: I'll probably regret even posting about getting mine and writing what I think. P2 pics. They're not very good, since several members have posted gorgeous photos already.(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)Totally agree with your comments especially about the opening method the more I play with mine the more I love it
thrilled indeed, Sea Monster. To the P2.I've been sitting around playing with the P2 for a bit. I feel the tool is worth the cost for sure. Not as excited as I hoped to be, but that is my problem, not the tool's. Going forward; The tool is built very well and the QC is outstanding. The design should be worthy of MT of the year, because of HOW cool the engineering involved is. I have a lot of respect for the design, QC, function, and USA-manufacturing. It isn't going to dethrone my Charge anytime soon(since the magnet would get steel wool dust on them at my job, but I may try it anyway), but it sure is a kickazz tool. Very well made and fun to play with. VERY FUN.Swinging the plier out gently, as is directed will not pop any tools out. At least not on my example. You're supposed to swing the handles out gently and then slowly click the handles into place anyway. I cannot get mine pop any tools out with realistic usage motions.If you bought one (or thinking of buying one) and are worried about that, just swing it open and pop the pliers into place holding the side with the awl. That'll lessen the momentum incurred by aggressive flipping. The side with the blade is tighter and doesn't really have any possible hazards(the sharp package edge on the flat driver would be almost impossible to get your finger on this way). The blade is blocked from opening when the pliers are engaged, so that won't be an issue. The only tool that would cut you, if you are completely oblivious to using the tool(which tools should always be taken seriously), is the awl. But, that said, it isn't quite as much of an issue as is being worried about here. I hope that helps explain it and possible methods to reduce possible partial opening.You could always use two security torx bits to tighten the pivot a little, if you're worried about any tools popping open when slipping the pliers or cutting something thick. But, if LM had made the tools tighter, then they wouldn't be easily opened OH and people would be talking about how tight they are. Catch-22.Sidenote: I'll probably regret even posting about getting mine and writing what I think. P2 pics. They're not very good, since several members have posted gorgeous photos already.(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)
Totally agree with your comments especially about the opening method the more I play with mine the more I love it.
Awesome! Glad you like it! It’s good to know the popping open may not be as big a safety concern as I initially thought. I also didn’t realize the blades were prevented from opening. Good stuff. As far as metal stuff getting on the magnets, how easy do you think they would be to clean off? Are they pretty easy to access?
On my P4 the inside tools opening doesn’t seem to be much of an issue. The P2 inside tools with the file can pop out when using the same force to lock the pliers in place as I use on my Charge. Swinging the handles hasn’t opened either the P4 or P2 tools - it’s when clicking the pliers into place that it happens. If the P2 were mine I’d tighten the pivot but as it is a loaner I’ll leave it alone. I don’t think it’s a safety issue, just annoying on a $120 tool. On the other hand, my whining about the cost of the tool(s) is a bit ridiculous since I have several Chris Reeve and Hinderer knives. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Nice, glad you enjoy it man!
I had to stop watching that video when he said he couldn't tell the difference in knife edges on the New Wave, because they looked identical.
seriously, just install the pocket clip and problem solved...there's also gimping on the serrated blade spine, it's really a non issue.
It is funny. The more I play with it, the more I think the price may be justifiable. It feels refined like a $150 folding knife in certain aspects. But, that said, an incredibly more complex construction is cheaper than some good folders. IMO of course.
How does it go as a knife? I've found most multis (some more than others - the MP600 can sod right off) have "acceptable" knives for utilitarian tasks, but hardly a pleasure to use - does the P2/P4 have the ergonomics and blade design to really feel like a decent knife in hand?
In my opinion, the knife is more comfortable than the knife on the Charge. I also like the blade shape better. If they come out with an S30v version, it would be the best knife on any multitool I’ve handled. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Toss my vote in for the file over SE blade as well. And then put a short SE blade, like the Sidekick, in the tiny file slot. Then swap the giant phillips for a longer, redesigned bit exchanger.Call it the "Free P-Pro".
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