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Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
on: July 18, 2019, 10:45:24 AM
Hi guys! I have a 1986 soldier and i was wondering if the hollow rivet is weaker than the full rivet.. do you know if it is reliable as the standard rivet? Or i can expect it to break sooner or later? thanks!

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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #1 on: July 18, 2019, 11:13:09 AM
Hi Trix...

The hollow rivets are as per strict standards of the Swiss Army and are designed for attaching bails and lanyards... I haven’t come across any that are compromised... Overall pin diameter is thicker than solid pins (approx. 4mm vs 3mm) to compensate for it being hollow...
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #2 on: July 18, 2019, 11:15:47 AM
 :iagree:

Never heard about any issues specific for the hollow rivets!
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #3 on: July 18, 2019, 11:50:52 AM
i'm sorry for posting this topic in the wrong place and thank you for moving it.. So the hollow rivet is 1mm thicker, although it will be a shelf queen (or king) i feel more comfortable knowing it. Thank you for the info guys, really appreciated :D Another quick question please: do you think it's worth paying a 1986 NIB Soldier 100 usd when i can buy a NIB Pioneer for 30 and remove the keyring?
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #4 on: July 18, 2019, 12:03:22 PM
The 1986 Soldier is worth what you want to pay. :)

Since you mention the alternative of buying a Pioneer and removing the keyring, that makes me think you want to use it. (Correct me if I am wrong!)
If it's going to be a "user", you can find a lightly used 1986 Soldier for far less than $100!  :tu:
But either a Pioneer or a lightly used Soldier will work great as a user.  :salute:
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #5 on: July 18, 2019, 12:04:05 PM
That would be the limit on what I would pay for a genuine soldier even if its in excellent condition... but that’s just me... Not that well versed on market prices...
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #6 on: July 18, 2019, 12:07:44 PM
I agree with Pabs... afterall price determination is simply a perception of value... if it makes any sense at all...

Suddenly I have flashbacks of my Business Law Professer in Uni... :facepalm:
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #7 on: July 18, 2019, 12:41:54 PM
Well the knife is new in box and I think I'm not going to use it extensively since here in my country any kind of blade it's forbidden. I will use it just around the house but i will only admire it for most of the time :D I asked you guys cause I felt a little bit dumb at first paying so much (for me) for a knife but after thinking about it I feel Soldier to be different from a Pioneer even if they has the same tools and i wanted to know if you guys feel the same about it

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Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #8 on: July 18, 2019, 01:07:33 PM
To me, holding a Soldier knife has a different feeling than the regular Pioneer... It’s part of the history how Victorinox became to be as at present...

This is now why Alox soldiers in particular becomes a collection focus for me... :cheers:
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #9 on: July 18, 2019, 01:08:34 PM
Btw, the Alox Soldier design was based on the Pioneer...
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #10 on: July 19, 2019, 04:18:23 AM
 :iagree: Jaya, there is just something about the Alox soldiers...
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #11 on: July 19, 2019, 04:38:54 AM
Yeah, I remembered I was aroused holding a genuine Soldier Model 1890 during Indodefence 2016
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #12 on: July 20, 2019, 09:02:29 PM
1890? Wow! I'd like to see one in my life  :like:
Jaya since you clearly know more than me about knives I may have another question for you..  :D
I was wondering why older Soldier has the upper rivet in nickel-silver (i think) while the central rivet is made of another metal?

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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #13 on: July 20, 2019, 09:33:44 PM
If I recall, on my soldier with no hollow rivet, BOTH of the end rivets are nickel-silver and the centre one is brass.
Maybe it's because the centre one doesn't need to be as strong? (It's only function is to hold the spring in place)
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #14 on: July 21, 2019, 06:13:19 AM
I don’t have an answer to that I’m affraid... hopefully more knowledgeable peeps can chime in...
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #15 on: July 23, 2019, 12:36:08 AM
I remember reading somewhere that the purpose of the hollow rivet wasn't for attaching a lanyard, but that it was meant to be used in adjusting the sight on rifles. How, I have no idea.
Anyone got more infos on that?

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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #16 on: July 23, 2019, 12:40:27 AM
Quote from: shadowrider on July 23, 2019, 12:36:08 AM
I remember reading somewhere that the purpose of the hollow rivet wasn't for attaching a lanyard, but that it was meant to be used in adjusting the sight on rifles. How, I have no idea.
Anyone got more infos on that?
If you hang the hollow rivet SAK with bail on some string, you can use it as a plumb bob.
(How that helps calibrate a sight, I don't know. :D )
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #17 on: July 23, 2019, 01:49:09 AM
Quote from: shadowrider on July 23, 2019, 12:36:08 AM
I remember reading somewhere that the purpose of the hollow rivet wasn't for attaching a lanyard, but that it was meant to be used in adjusting the sight on rifles. How, I have no idea.
Anyone got more infos on that?
AFAIK, the purpose of the hollow rivet was to enable using the knife as plumb-bob when using the FASS 57 rifle as a grenade launcher. This is explained at the following link:
https://www.couteaux-du-soldat-suisse.ch/J01/index.php/en/les-couteaux-du-soldat/evolution-des-outils

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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #18 on: July 23, 2019, 03:34:42 AM
Thanks for the great link Minichamp!
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #19 on: July 27, 2019, 06:57:18 PM
Anyway I just want to show you my 1986 Soldier.. I'm so happy to have it because i bought from a collector and he sent me the knife perfectly new with the box also new!

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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #20 on: July 27, 2019, 07:04:22 PM
Does anyone know where you can get a bail for these?
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #21 on: July 27, 2019, 07:49:31 PM
Fantastic Soldier, Trix!  Congratulations on this fine addition to your life.

@microbe, I don't think there is one particular bail that you can just buy and add to your Pioneer/Solider.  But several forum members have had success adding their own.  Here's a link to a bail I made for a Pioneer of mine.  Perhaps you could do something like this.

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,80292.msg1850233.html#msg1850233
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #22 on: July 27, 2019, 07:59:16 PM
Very nice NIB soldier, Trix!
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #23 on: July 27, 2019, 10:22:13 PM
Quote from: Myron on July 27, 2019, 07:49:31 PM
Fantastic Soldier, Trix!  Congratulations on this fine addition to your life.

@microbe, I don't think there is one particular bail that you can just buy and add to your Pioneer/Solider.  But several forum members have had success adding their own.  Here's a link to a bail I made for a Pioneer of mine.  Perhaps you could do something like this.

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,80292.msg1850233.html#msg1850233

Oh, that looks like it would work for me.
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #24 on: July 28, 2019, 02:42:24 PM
Don't worry about the strength of the hollow rivet unless you want to drive over it with a Main Battle Tank.
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Re: Victorinox Soldier 1986 hollow rivet
Reply #25 on: July 30, 2019, 05:49:17 PM
No! I would never do that! It's too precious!! My... my... preciousss  :drool:

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