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Alox vs "standard" durability

it Offline Stefano

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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #30 on: November 19, 2019, 01:58:12 AM
You can’t go wrong with a standard Pioneer to start your collection off

Good advice.
I see that this is the old "Soldier", I have to find out if it is for sale on my Italian Amazon.

Edit: Yes, Victorinox, V08201.26B1 (Soldier)  is available (28 euro)
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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #31 on: November 19, 2019, 01:59:40 AM


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #32 on: November 19, 2019, 02:27:50 AM
Good advice.
I see that this is the old "Soldier", I have to find out if it is for sale on my Italian Amazon.
Edit: Yes, Victorinox, V08201.26B1 (Soldier)  is available (28 euro)

That seems like a good price to me - It is a Pioneer - Which is very similar to the Soldier model

See the differences here:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pioneer

I'm not quite sure what the B1 is in the product code!


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #33 on: November 19, 2019, 02:35:22 AM
That seems like a good price to me - It is a Pioneer - Which is very similar to the Soldier model

See the differences here:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pioneer

I'm not quite sure what the B1 is in the product code!

I am very undecided between Soldier and Farmer, the difference is only 2 euros (Farmer 30 euros)
The difference in thickness is 2 mm (12 mm vs 14 mm)
Perhaps the Farmer being taller is better wielding? The saw can be useful.


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #34 on: November 19, 2019, 03:06:54 AM
So you started out small and slim and now you are going even bigger !!!    :pok:    :rofl:

How about this for a plan:

Get the Farmer - 2E for 2mm and another tool is a great deal - And this is a tough capable tool eg for outdoor use

Then when funds are available again - You can get a Cadet for a nice slim carry

You're only missing the scissors - And as mentioned above with a little Classic you get that and the scale tools too !!


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #35 on: November 19, 2019, 03:06:54 AM
Darn it guys  :twak:

I was so happy with the SAKs I had. Now all this talk about Alox makes me wanna buy some too! But which one(s)  :ahhh

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I really like the blue Alox. How are they holding up in a pocket?
It takes more than I expected to wear alox coloring, but honestly they look really cool worn too.


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #36 on: November 19, 2019, 03:08:46 AM
So you started out small and slim and now you are going even bigger !!!    :pok:    :rofl:

How about this for a plan:

Get the Farmer - 2E for 2mm and another tool is a great deal - And this is a tough capable tool eg for outdoor use

Then when founds are available again - You can get a Cadet for a nice slim carry

You're only missing the scissors - And as mentioned above with a little Classic you get that and the scale tools too !!
What he said!


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #37 on: November 19, 2019, 03:19:28 AM
So you started out small and slim and now you are going even bigger !!!    :pok:    :rofl:

How about this for a plan:

Get the Farmer - 2E for 2mm and another tool is a great deal - And this is a tough capable tool eg for outdoor use

Then when funds are available again - You can get a Cadet for a nice slim carry

You're only missing the scissors - And as mentioned above with a little Classic you get that and the scale tools too !!


Yes I started with Bantam Alox and now I look at the Farmer.
But I think that as a first purchase I go for Bantam Alox (21.50 euros) followed by Farmer as soon as it drops in price (in the past on Amazon I saw the Farmer at a lower price, it seems to me around 27 euros)
On Amazon the Victorinox have strong price fluctuations, if you have patience and you check every day you can make a good deal.
In the past I bought 58mm Classic SD (white) for only 9 euros


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #38 on: November 19, 2019, 03:22:36 AM
Red=cadet
Black=pioneer/soldier
Silver=pioneer x
Orange=farmer


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #39 on: November 19, 2019, 03:23:23 AM
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Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #40 on: November 19, 2019, 03:24:22 AM
My apologies for the blurry pictures. I have been having a real trouble uploading quality pictures recently,

Edit:actually looks like these came out clear enough.


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #41 on: November 19, 2019, 03:26:11 AM
@G-Dizzle

Thanks a lot for pics !

Even the Cadet is very light and compact.


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Reply #42 on: November 19, 2019, 03:27:42 AM
@G-Dizzle

Thanks a lot for pics !
:tu:

I don’t have an alox Bantam, sorry. Those are crazy thin and light though! If that is what you are going for, it is as this as it gets. 1/2 of the cadet’s thickness


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #43 on: November 19, 2019, 03:31:49 AM
It takes more than I expected to wear alox coloring, but honestly they look really cool worn too.

Thanks! I think I will go for the blue Pioneer X. I use scissors all the time and I am excited to find uses for the awl.



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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #44 on: November 19, 2019, 03:33:33 AM
If possible I buy a Bantam Alox tomorrow, it costs 21.42 euros, I doubt that it can go down more ..
As soon as I have more money I will take a Farmer or a Soldier.
It would be nice to buy the whole Alox series but I can't.


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Reply #45 on: November 19, 2019, 03:46:02 AM
This may help with the size comparison as well. I see you are from Italy. From what I hear, Opinels are common there.  I could be wrong though. Here is the Cadet next to an Opinel No8 that my fiance brought back for me from Florence.


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #46 on: November 19, 2019, 03:58:07 AM
This may help with the size comparison as well. I see you are from Italy. From what I hear, Opinels are common there.  I could be wrong though. Here is the Cadet next to an Opinel No8 that my fiance brought back for me from Florence.

Thanks for the photo and the suggestion but I don't like Opinel.
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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #47 on: November 19, 2019, 04:29:53 AM
Nice collection G-Dizzle  :cheers:


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #48 on: November 19, 2019, 12:11:02 PM
I'm not quite sure what the B1 is in the product code!
B1 stands for blister-packed.


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #49 on: November 19, 2019, 12:55:24 PM
Ah yeah - Thanks Nick - I remember reading that in the catalogue now!


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #50 on: November 22, 2019, 06:52:28 AM
I had two days of great indecision between the Bantam and the Cadet, in the end I decided for the Bantam.
This video convinced me:



(Although I have read on the internet various opinions of users disappointed by its too small thickness)

I think maybe the Cadet could be next.


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #51 on: November 22, 2019, 07:01:43 AM
Congrats on your decision! I think you will love the Bantam, but I’m sure you will want a cadet to go with it soon, then a Pioneer, then a Farmer ;)


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #52 on: November 22, 2019, 09:10:56 AM
(Although I have read on the internet various opinions of users disappointed by its too small thickness)
I know what you mean.
I've never used it, but I've also heard that it might be too thin for comfortable use! :o
Personally, I like the sound of that. If it's so thin, it must fit in a pocket very well, and I would be more likely to carry it. :tu:
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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #53 on: November 23, 2019, 12:48:40 AM
I think its worth clarifying that the springs and tools on the 84mm alox knives are no different than on the 84mm cellidor equivalents and the pins are the same diameter.  I do think the 84mm alox knives will likely be stronger because the aluminum scales are thicker than the aluminum scale liners used on the cellidor models, and the pins are nickle-silver instead of brass.

Now, the springs and tools are indeed thicker on the 93mm alox range, and the scales themselves are thicker than those of the 84mm alox range, so they will be even more "sturdy."

All that said, for what I would be willing to use a folding knife for, I think the cellidor models are plenty strong enough.  If I need stronger, I go to a fixed blade.

I awlways recommedn the pioneer, as I truly think its the greatest pocket knife ever made.  The cadet is also a great choice.

Great post. I agree about the Pioneer (alox Soldier in my case). An absolutely brilliant design. It's still slim enough for a pocket and has a nice weight. It feels good in the hand. The openers are larger and stronger than 91mm. The awl is superb. The knife feels indestructible.

I have a Voyageur that's about the same weight and thickness as the Cadet. That's too slim for me, so I've not bothered with a Cadet. I prefer to carry a Sportsman instead.
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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #54 on: November 23, 2019, 03:52:57 AM
Great post. I agree about the Pioneer (alox Soldier in my case)

Soldier and Pioneer are the same thing, right ?
I ask this because on Amazon I see the Soldier at 28 euros while the Pioneer is just over 30 euros.


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #55 on: November 23, 2019, 04:13:53 AM
Great post. I agree about the Pioneer (alox Soldier in my case). An absolutely brilliant design. It's still slim enough for a pocket and has a nice weight. It feels good in the hand. The openers are larger and stronger than 91mm. The awl is superb. The knife feels indestructible.

I have a Voyageur that's about the same weight and thickness as the Cadet. That's too slim for me, so I've not bothered with a Cadet. I prefer to carry a Sportsman instead.

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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #56 on: November 23, 2019, 04:16:17 AM
Soldier and Pioneer are the same thing, right ?
I ask this because on Amazon I see the Soldier at 28 euros while the Pioneer is just over 30 euros.

Basically, yes the alox soldier and the pioneer are very similar. The pioneer usually has a key ring and the soldier usually doesn’t. Also, the soldier has the Swiss federal shield, the pioneer has victorinox’s shield.

If you are seeing a soldier listed on amazon, I’d be surprised if it’s the alox kind as they’ve been discontinued since 2008 (I think). The current soldier model is entirely different and based on the 111mm platform.
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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #57 on: November 23, 2019, 04:25:06 AM
If you are seeing a soldier listed on amazon, I’d be surprised if it’s the alox kind as they’ve been discontinued since 2008 (I think). The current soldier model is entirely different and based on the 111mm platform.

https://www.amazon.it/Victorinox-V08201-26B1-Coltello-Tasca-Unisex/dp/B001U5206Q/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_it_IT=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=3H7ILF7PRQ55I&keywords=victorinox+soldier+alox&qid=1574479457&sprefix=victorinox+soldier%2Caps%2C237&sr=8-1

I see the ring for the lanyard so it's probably a Pioneer ?? (although the page says Soldier)


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #58 on: November 23, 2019, 04:34:23 AM
Soldier and Pioneer are the same thing, right ?
I ask this because on Amazon I see the Soldier at 28 euros while the Pioneer is just over 30 euros.

Stefano - On Soldier vs Pioneer please see my post earlier in this thread
Would be great if you read the information that is provided to you  :pok:
And information about nearly all current models can be found in the Wiki - It's a very reliable source of info

Please Note: We are talking about an Alox Soldier here which is similar to the Pioneer

Don't forget the new Soldier is an 111mm knife
All details on both models can be acessed via the link below

It is a Pioneer - Which is very similar to the Soldier model
See the differences here:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Pioneer

I'm not quite sure what the B1 is in the product code!
« Last Edit: November 23, 2019, 04:45:51 AM by Huntsman »


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Re: Alox vs "standard" durability
Reply #59 on: November 23, 2019, 04:45:11 AM
I think that next week I will receive more than one Vitorinox ;-)


 

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