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Gerber Armbar Owners Club 3059

Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 24,456
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2020, 01:24:20 AM »
Blood!  :drink:
Great review - a lot of good work outs on the tool.
Again great photos!  :cheers:
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2020, 01:27:09 AM »
Thanks Ray  :cheers:
Global Moderator Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 20,149 I may get older but I refuse to grow up.
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2020, 01:56:12 AM »
Testing the awl:

Making a pilot hole in a 2x4 is no problem.
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Comparison with PX awl. PX hole on top, Armbar on bottom:
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Making holes in leather. Thicker leather on the left, thin leather on the right. Armbar holes top row, PX holes low row. Hard to see, but the holes made with the PX are cleaner. It also punched through the leather way easier. The Armbar had a harder time punching through both leather pieces. During that test the awl also collapsed and drew first blood.
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Isn't the awl locking? :think: I think I remember them saying everything but the driver locked. :shrug:

Bit Holder with Standard T25 bit:

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The bit sits deeper in the holder than I expected. You can see that in the second pic. The bit holder is also slightly larger than the bits (original and standard), resulting in some wiggle room. I don't think it is enough to cause issues during use. I assume it is done on purpose to remove the bit with ease. I used the original bit to drive a #6 screw into the aforementioned 2x4. It worked pretty straight forward, I never had the feeling the bit driver was about to collapse. One issue might be the pry bar. At its rest position, the thin edge presses into your hand when holding the tool real tight. It might be worth deploying the pry bar half way to avoid that.

Glad to hear the driver did well. :tu:

I assumed as much of the standard bits sitting lower cause of the double sided bit that comes with it, as it looked a bit longer than the standard, 's why I asked.

Thanks for doing the tests and sacrificing body and limb for the sake of us who hadn't had the chance to play with it yet :salute:

;)

Once you find a decent Weißbier, let us know how the bottle opener works :whistle:



No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2020, 02:46:17 AM »
The only thing that locks is the blade. I had no issue with that, had the other tools at least that „safety snap“ if you know what I mean. Take the Philips on the Explorer for example. It snaps into place with a reassuring sound. If you want to collapse it, you need to overcome a resistance. If you only barely do it, it snaps back into place instead of closing on you.

Same with the awl of the PX. On the Armbar there is no resistance whatsoever. Unless I have a faulty one, I would call that a problem.

Makes sense that the driver had to be deeper because of the double sided bits  :tu:

I like Becks every now and then, but I also have access to Paulaner  :D :cheers:
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 9,796
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2020, 03:01:31 AM »
Thank you very much for your excellent review of your Armbar  :cheers:

I was looking forward to this one.
It appears to have a lot to like, but the "no snap" situation on the tools is a bit concerning.
I assume this goes both ways (open & closed position)?

Do you feel the tools could easily open a bit in the pocket?

Formerly known as MTMatt
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2020, 03:09:44 AM »
The no snap situation goes both ways, but I don‘t see any potential for unwanted deployment of the tools - yet.

I might make a short video this weekend to illustrate the differences  :cheers:
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 9,796
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2020, 09:15:00 AM »
 :tu:  :popcorn:

Formerly known as MTMatt
Admin Team Zombie Apprentice Posts: 19,885 mmmmm SAKrelicious
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2020, 09:30:57 AM »
You're blood brothers now!

Thanks for the ongoing review Sir VAL  :salute:

Its a reminder of the near perfection of the SAK that even modern rivals fail to better it. Except maybe on the driver.

'Use the force Harry' - Gandalf

'Derail a thread and we'll come at you like a block of cheese'. Captain Mags and Sergeant Fuzzbucket of the Anti Derai.... mmmmmmm cheese
Global Moderator Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 20,149 I may get older but I refuse to grow up.
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2020, 11:29:30 AM »


...

Makes sense that the driver had to be deeper because of tlike Becks every now and then, but I also have access to Paulaner  :D :cheers:

Now that's better :D That's actually my poison of choice :cheers:
No Life Club Posts: 1,309
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2020, 12:58:09 PM »
No Life Club Posts: 1,309
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2020, 12:59:54 PM »
New Tool, New Club  :)

I figured we can consolidate all information, testing and photos in here. Let's start with the unboxing:

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I love the packaging  :like:
No Life Club Posts: 1,065
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2020, 01:39:52 PM »
My first day impressions in short:

- Decent blade, works as expected
- Bit driver works straight forward, no issues so far
- Awl is pointy, sharp and in desperate need of a means to prevent it from collapsing. Not necessarily a lock, a tight snap like on the PX would be enough.
- Scissors are average. Not enough leverage and they should open wider. They also cannot cut finger nails. At least not mine  :facepalm: I don't like the deployment, because you have to unfold the scissors moving one arm in the closing direction. This means they will collapse, unless you prevent that with your other hand.
- Pry bar is working. Nothing fancy
- Hammer function not yet tested

That's a bit disappointing indeed.

I was hoping for a more enthusiastic review on the blade and scissors.   

Though I'm not sure what to expect from the blade... Maybe I finer edge?  Sir Vic, does it deploy easily with one hand?

The scissors seems to have a lot of room for improvement... Spring, angle of opening, sharpness...

Oh well.... 

I ordered the Armbar Cork, I'll post some initial impressions when I get it.
Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 24,456
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2020, 02:24:44 PM »
 :popcorn:
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2020, 03:13:41 PM »
You're blood brothers now!

Thanks for the ongoing review Sir VAL  :salute:

Its a reminder of the near perfection of the SAK that even modern rivals fail to better it. Except maybe on the driver.

I agree. Vic is making those knives for how long, over a hundred years? They seem to have perfected every little detail and it shows. Both Gerber and LM have a hard time getting anywhere close to that. I still hope they continue to work on their tools, and make improvements as I like the ideas they have.
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2020, 03:14:12 PM »
Now that's better :D That's actually my poison of choice :cheers:

 :D :cheers: :drink:
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2020, 03:15:24 PM »
I love the packaging  :like:

I like the looks of it, but it is a lot of wasted space and air they have to ship  :think:
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2020, 03:20:25 PM »
That's a bit disappointing indeed.

I was hoping for a more enthusiastic review on the blade and scissors.   

Though I'm not sure what to expect from the blade... Maybe I finer edge?  Sir Vic, does it deploy easily with one hand?

The scissors seems to have a lot of room for improvement... Spring, angle of opening, sharpness...

Oh well.... 

I ordered the Armbar Cork, I'll post some initial impressions when I get it.

The OH deployment is smooth but might take some getting used too. This is not a large MT so in order to open the blade with the same hand you are holding it, you need to almost contort your hand. I have average sized hands, so people with larger hands might find it hard to do at all.

I am looking forward to your impressions on the Cork. I wonder if there are any major differences besides bit holder/corkscrew  :popcorn:
No Life Club Posts: 1,065
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2020, 03:34:20 PM »
The OH deployment is smooth but might take some getting used too. This is not a large MT so in order to open the blade with the same hand you are holding it, you need to almost contort your hand. I have average sized hands, so people with larger hands might find it hard to do at all.

I am looking forward to your impressions on the Cork. I wonder if there are any major differences besides bit holder/corkscrew  :popcorn:

I'll be testing the can opener too (looking forward to the claw style)

It looks like it might be a little while... Mine hasn't shipped yet.  :(
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2020, 03:47:05 PM »
When did you order it?
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 14,517 Yoo-hoo, big summer blowout!
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #49 on: February 08, 2020, 03:55:11 PM »
but it is a lot of wasted space and air they have to ship  :think:
At least that's cheap compared to wasted weight. :D

Hooked, like everyone else. ;)

All hail the hook!
No Life Club Posts: 1,065
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #50 on: February 08, 2020, 03:55:34 PM »
When did you order it?


Monday, from a retailer...  :'(  They say it's on backorder


No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #51 on: February 08, 2020, 04:11:38 PM »
At least that's cheap compared to wasted weight. :D

I guess that is true  :D
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #52 on: February 08, 2020, 04:12:16 PM »

Monday, from a retailer...  :'(  They say it's on backorder

Oh, yeah that could be a while  :ahhh
Global Moderator No Life Club Posts: 3,076
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2020, 12:09:57 AM »
Hi Sir GerbaLot,

Very excited to read this review and thanks so much for taking the time. Great review.

The second set of photos is what I was waiting for:
- Which shows the Armbar is about the same depth as a SAK - I was expecting it to be a bit deeper.

Little disappointed the review conclusions are not better eg snap and scissors :(

Enki - I heard that too somewhere about all the tools locking - Looks like it's a bit of  problem for the awl.

And yep gotta agree with folks - The SAK design, engineering, components, manufacturing and quality is so hard to beat!!
 :climber:

Thanks again my lord.
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No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2020, 03:18:24 AM »
You are welcome  :cheers: :hatsoff:
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2020, 03:35:02 AM »
I am happy to report that the bottle opener works flawlessly  :cheers:

Global Moderator He Who Has The Most Nuts, Wins! Posts: 58,979
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2020, 03:36:06 AM »
Excellent pics and review, SirVic :salute: :like: I am hoping that since your one is some of the first ones out that they are just working the kinks out of it :think: :salute: It seems like a very well thought out knife/tool combo and only needs tweaked just a bit from Gerber :cheers: The Vic awl and scissors are just hard to beat but I am glad to see that they are working towards competing with them :tu: I also love the hammer feature :dd: :like:
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2020, 05:22:25 AM »
I was playing with the Armbar while watching TV, and I believe I have found the reason why the Armbar has no snap:


Pay attention to the marked area. This is the „lock“ or tab that is supposed to offer resistance to prevent the tool from closing. The LM PST II has the same design. This is the neutral position.

Here is the position of the tab before the tool snaps into place:

As you can see, there is hardly any difference. Watching closely while moving the tool, you can see the tab ever so slightly moving up and down.

Now, let‘s compare that to the PST II:

Neutral:


And before snapping:


Clearly a much larger bending of the tab. And as we all know, the PST has a great snap, and all tools stay open during use.

I thought about bending the tab of the Armbar to increase the pressure it exerts onto the tools, but that is not possible. The tab lays flush against the tools, so there is no room to do that.
Looks to me like the tab is just too weak  :dunno:
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2020, 05:24:14 AM »
I am hoping that since your one is some of the first ones out that they are just working the kinks out of it

That better not be the case. People are paying full price for this, we are not their beta testers. But I know what you mean  :cheers:
Global Moderator He Who Has The Most Nuts, Wins! Posts: 58,979
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2020, 05:55:05 AM »
That is just the way things work anymore :facepalm: They sell the first run and then get the feedback... Then we get a version 2.0 that has any of the "problems" found by the ones that bought it first, addressed :ahhh

 

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