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Gerber Armbar Owners Club 3058

No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2020, 06:11:07 AM »
Yeah, unfortunately a lot of companies seem to be doing it that way nowadays. Which is the reason I normally never buy a new product right after its release. Here I made an exception to that rule, because the price was low enough and I was excited about it  :facepalm:
Newbie Posts: 29
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2020, 07:19:56 AM »
This pretty much confirms my first impression.  When I saw the Armbar for the first time I thought "this is amazing, but it looks a little thick, I wish it didn't have the scissors or awl since they probably suck.". I prefer to have scissors on a keychain tool rather than my primary pocket knife.
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 9,796
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2020, 10:45:10 AM »
I was playing with the Armbar while watching TV, and I believe I have found the reason why the Armbar has no snap:

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Pay attention to the marked area. This is the „lock“ or tab that is supposed to offer resistance to prevent the tool from closing. The LM PST II has the same design. This is the neutral position.

Here is the position of the tab before the tool snaps into place:
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As you can see, there is hardly any difference. Watching closely while moving the tool, you can see the tab ever so slightly moving up and down.

Now, let‘s compare that to the PST II:

Neutral:
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And before snapping:
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Clearly a much larger bending of the tab. And as we all know, the PST has a great snap, and all tools stay open during use.

I thought about bending the tab of the Armbar to increase the pressure it exerts onto the tools, but that is not possible. The tab lays flush against the tools, so there is no room to do that.
Looks to me like the tab is just too weak  :dunno:

Excellent observation Sire  :hatsoff:
...aaaaand I'll be holding off getting one for now.
Instead I'll be getting a Mr. Pinchy I think  :D

Formerly known as MTMatt
No Life Club Posts: 1,309
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2020, 01:31:44 PM »
: popcorn:

Very good thread, thank you for sharing your experience and pics! I do hope Gerber production people are seing these feedbacks!
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2020, 02:06:53 PM »
I am wondering if this is an issue of all first series Armbars, or if I just received one that wasn‘t manufactured right. I think I will be contacting the Gerber warranty department and either ask for replacement or refund. In the case of the screwdriver and scissors the missing snap is an inconvenience. In the case of the awl on the other hand, it is a safety hazard.
No Life Club Posts: 1,065
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2020, 02:30:16 PM »
That is just the way things work anymore :facepalm: They sell the first run and then get the feedback... Then we get a version 2.0 that has any of the "problems" found by the ones that bought it first, addressed :ahhh

That would be unfortunate.  I don't normally get the first run of anything, and tend to prefer the v2.0 of things (original wave, Gerber MP600 with clip blade, etc), furthermore I don't prefer v3.0 of things (Surge, Center drive).  But I figured this was something that is relatively straightforward for them to design...  Especially the scissors, which they've had a lot of practice with. You'd think that they learned how to optimize non-locking tools from having produced those on the original multi-plier.
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2020, 02:56:08 AM »
Excellent observation Sire  :hatsoff:
...aaaaand I'll be holding off getting one for now.
Instead I'll be getting a Mr. Pinchy I think  :D

Don’t forget to apply for the badge once it pinched you  :salute: :D
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2020, 02:58:19 AM »
That would be unfortunate.  I don't normally get the first run of anything, and tend to prefer the v2.0 of things (original wave, Gerber MP600 with clip blade, etc), furthermore I don't prefer v3.0 of things (Surge, Center drive).  But I figured this was something that is relatively straightforward for them to design...  Especially the scissors, which they've had a lot of practice with. You'd think that they learned how to optimize non-locking tools from having produced those on the original multi-plier.

Yeah, it is a little bit sad that Tim LM got the tabs right on the first MT he ever made. And Gerber with their years of experience seem to have smurfed it up  :facepalm:

I will contact customer support tomorrow and see what they will do about it  :popcorn:
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 9,796
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2020, 08:27:22 AM »
Don’t forget to apply for the badge once it pinched you  :salute: :D

 :D

Formerly known as MTMatt
No Life Club Posts: 1,065
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #69 on: February 11, 2020, 01:07:51 AM »

Monday, from a retailer...  :'(  They say it's on backorder

They canceled the order   ???
It seems like a clerical error.

I guess I'll shop around for a decent price/coupon code. 
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2020, 01:18:04 AM »
They canceled the order   ???
It seems like a clerical error.

I guess I'll shop around for a decent price/coupon code.

Sorry to hear that  :-\
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #71 on: February 11, 2020, 01:19:44 AM »
I just initiated a warranty request. Will see what happens next.
Global Moderator He Who Has The Most Nuts, Wins! Posts: 58,979
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #72 on: February 11, 2020, 12:05:00 PM »
They will come through for you I am sure :salute: Sad that there is an issue like this but hopefully it is corrected and this tool goes on to have a great production :tu: :like:
Hero Member Posts: 701
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #73 on: February 11, 2020, 01:25:29 PM »
Hope they solve all issues.
The tool is a good concept. Deserve a good execution.

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No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #74 on: February 11, 2020, 03:18:18 PM »
 :iagree: Will post an update once I hear back from them  :tu:
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 9,796
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #75 on: February 11, 2020, 03:25:25 PM »
Thanks Sir VicaLot   :tu:

Formerly known as MTMatt
Sr. Member Posts: 341 VICTORINOX
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #76 on: February 12, 2020, 06:58:46 PM »
Waiting for mine...

Enjoy!
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #77 on: February 12, 2020, 08:54:41 PM »
Do you have an ETA?  :popcorn:
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #78 on: February 17, 2020, 07:56:54 PM »
Update on my warranty request:

I received an email today from a Gerber representative. They had a lot of questions, especially about the injury, even though it was only minor. I provided them all the requested information.
They asked me to ship the tool back for evaluation. Not sure yet if I will receive a replacement or a refund.
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 9,796
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #79 on: February 17, 2020, 08:21:43 PM »
I think it's good news that they're taking the awl issue serious  :tu:

Thanks for keeping us updated on this Sire  :hatsoff:

Formerly known as MTMatt
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #80 on: February 17, 2020, 10:22:43 PM »
Sure will!  :cheers:
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #81 on: February 18, 2020, 08:37:08 PM »
Received the shipping label from Gerber today. Will send it out tomorrow, and then the waiting game begins. I also asked for a replacement, and not a refund. So will see if the new tool I am getting will have the snap as intended.  :popcorn:
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 9,796
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #82 on: February 18, 2020, 09:15:02 PM »
Good thinking  :like:  :popcorn:

Formerly known as MTMatt
Global Moderator He Who Has The Most Nuts, Wins! Posts: 58,979
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #83 on: February 19, 2020, 12:30:03 PM »
Hopefully they replace it and the tool you get will be free of issues :tu: :like:
Sr. Member Posts: 269
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #84 on: February 19, 2020, 12:37:38 PM »
Thank you! I just came across this tool a couple of days ago and was wondering if it was worth it. I’m going to watch and wait a month or two to see what happens (I’m a card carrying member of the NPR Club - Never Pay Retail) and to see if it sticks around. The size comparison was very helpful as well :salute:

"Never pick a fight with an old man. If he's too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #85 on: February 19, 2020, 03:15:09 PM »
Hopefully they replace it and the tool you get will be free of issues :tu: :like:

I hope so too. I still believe the Armbar is a great concept.  :tu:
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #86 on: February 19, 2020, 03:17:01 PM »
Thank you! I just came across this tool a couple of days ago and was wondering if it was worth it. I’m going to watch and wait a month or two to see what happens (I’m a card carrying member of the NPR Club - Never Pay Retail) and to see if it sticks around. The size comparison was very helpful as well :salute:
:salute:

I hope some of our members get theirs soon, so we get more information and a broader picture of the Driver and Corkscrew  :tu:
Hero Member Posts: 800
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #87 on: February 21, 2020, 02:24:39 PM »
You guys and your commitment to making sure you get the best of the tools you buy is why I always come back to Multitool.org. This kind of feedback and information is priceless for me!  :salute:
Global Moderator Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,483
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #88 on: February 22, 2020, 08:13:27 PM »
The blue one is available to pre-order on Amazon UK at £39.99 which at today's exchange rate is $51.83.  Import duty hiking up the price as usual as they sell for $32.95 at blade-HQ
No Life Club Posts: 4,360
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #89 on: February 23, 2020, 03:57:47 AM »
You guys and your commitment to making sure you get the best of the tools you buy is why I always come back to Multitool.org. This kind of feedback and information is priceless for me!  :salute:

I agree, lots of good information and determination on MTo  :salute:

 

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