Can they bug out if they have to stay at home? Maybe they will find some bug outers still going at it in 10 years time in the middle of nowhere? For many the effort to stop Corona has huge economic impact. To the degree that effort can be administered at various levels I can understand that some protest against the chosen level. For some the economic issue might be a life or death situation on its own. But who knows exactly where to balance the level best? Even with the correct level some will be harder hit than others. Corona is new with too many unknown factors - there will be some guesswork and some parts will get wrong one way or the other. Hindsight might tell someday. Over here many wanted to bug out to their cabins, but going to cabins got banned. That is the most controversial and protested decision here.
I hear all sorts of "irregular" things - someone who managed to extend their vacation by taking a trip they knew full well that they couldn't return from.
Maybe as it still doesn't mean that people wont catch it (they still need to get supplies from somewhere, or one of the party may be in the incubation stage when they leave) it just potentially puts more strain on the ambulance crews if people are more remote, and take longer to get to and from. Maybe ability to call for assistance (phone signal strength etc) is a concern too.
It doesn't make sense as it's the best isolation in real terms. Were they worried about people running out of resources and requiring rescue?
I don't imagine many have second homes/cabins/bunker/wooded areas to "camp? or that many significant others and children in their lives would go. I don't think bug out scenarios included pandemics? I have always felt those bug out scenarios were breakdowns of government.
Here at least the number is something like 1 cabin per 3 households. Add to that many cabins are family cabins used by several households it is actually quite common. Maybe more common to have access to a cabin than not. Supposedly Norwegians spend around 60 days per year in cabins on average. Thus the cabin ban was very controversial.I thought one could find preppers prepared for any conceivable issue? (Although few focusing on all I guess?)
I want a cabin in Norway!
Strictly speaking you don't even need to own one. There are some free access or next to nothing cabins available for everyone to use. Some placed in very popular areas (thus big and likely to find many others there already) or in very remote areas where hardly anyone ever goes. Actually some old lighthouses might be in the same category - I haven't really paid attention to this subject.
From my visit last year I seem to remember that a local told me it was standard procedure to leave a form of payment in a cabin you used.Is that true when using a private, unlocked cabin?Do cabins get locked anyway?
Shelter in place as we're doing now is somewhat dependant on there still being utilities and basic supplies (water, food, sanitation, gas), health care and of course civil order. If those were to go then it becomes much more problematic. To the extent of evacuation, including evacuation on foot with the family.I wrote a bunch about this on another forum way back. A better direction for preparation, instead of lone ranger bug out fantasies, is to study refugees of all kinds from the catastrophic events of the past century. See what they took when they hit the road, how they took it and what would we do instead. In the case of staying despite most having evacuated, that again has parallels with those who stayed in the bombed out cities, scavenging a survival. How they did it, how they survived and how they avoided attention and death is a more valuable lesson for a catastrophic event than practising woodcraft IMO. (Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)If anything we're actually far worse prepared than they were for evacuation. Assuming that the petrol is unavailable and the roads inaccessible to cars, we have no horses or donkeys, no carts, we're soft, pampered and have been spoiled by the ease of modern life. The social structure does not believe in or have much experience with hierarchy, patience, stoicism, discipline, etc. The Syrian shown below who stayed put is far better equipped to deal with this socially than most of us and yet the refugee crisis there was and is of a scale not seen for many many decades despite all the billions of dollars of aid money (supposedly) providing supplies.(Image removed from quote.)
What a thought-provoking perspective. Think about it - your home becomes unsafe, and your six month's worth of resources has depleted. The only option you are left with is to prepare your I'm Never Coming Home (INCH) bag, take your kids, and bug out.
Pomsbz, well articulated and valid points as well. Of this thread, and the people whose thoughts and ideas have been shared are any indication of the resourcefulness of people - May I suggest this group be the ones to repopulate the earth after any such mass extinction
Depends on the cabins and owners - there are many options of course. There are simply unlocked cabins which I imagine are mostly used by fishermen, hunters or hikers. The general idea is to leave them in the same or better condition as they were when you arrived. Some operate on the same principle but you have to borrow a key somewhere before you go.Then there are bigger hiker and stopover cabins run by various ideal or public organizations. These might house several families at once and typically have someone living there to keep them running. I have no idea about the payment, but I imagine sleeping over will incur some kind of fee - same with eating dinner and so on. Rental cabins are also available in all price ranges as one can imagine, from basic to crazy luxury. The public ones are around USD 40-50 or so per night I think. I would expect standards to vary quite a lot for these depending on how long it has been since last upgrade or renovation. In addition to these, for those that want to live closer to nature, there are also the concept of "gamme". These are basically small earthen constructs, typically with a fireplace and sleeping place(s). As building regulations are next to none, and they might even be on public ground, the premise is that they have to be simple, unlocked and available for anybody. (Private cabins will definetely be locked - these days cabins are often the same standards as modern homes).
Ben, this really is one of the best posts written about 'bugging out', and opens a whole new chapter for discussion. As I complained about the practicality of 'come home bag' or 'bug out bag' in another thread, I was thinking maybe an emergency evacuation bag is a more realistic scenario to plan for. And what you've just described is entirely new level of planning, literally migration due to unforeseen circumstances or life altering events.I once read somewhere that most Europeans were not aware of or didn't it very seriously about the world war when it first started, and in retrospect, I wonder with all these information technology, will the human race react any differently than those era? Surely, the options of travelling by cart/donkey/horses are out, and modern convenience might have made us softer and plumper, but can advance planning mitigate the risk of sudden evacuation.
Wow, what a wonderful country! I'd love to visit one time.
Scandinavian countries are usually fairly similar in many ways so I assume you might find similar arrangements in other Scandinavian countries too. Trust is generally high, although we do of course have the full range of humans and human actions here too.As for trust I visited Sweden recently. I had rented a car and booked a room at a small hotel for a few days. Upon arrival at the airport the rental car company had went home but there was this note to pick up the key at the airport information desk. I showed them ID, picked up the key and drove off. No signature or credit card or anything. Then I arrived at the hotel late at night. Sweden tends to close early so no staff there and outer door was locked - again just a note telling people to pick up their room key from a restaurant next to the hotel. Ok, did that. No check in or whatever. I stayed and drove around for a few days - I didn't see any staff at the hotel at any time, but the room was done while I was out. When I was to leave there was still no staff. I just left the key in the room and went back to the airport. Still no car rental staff so just dropped the key in the key box and left. Still no credit or signature anywhere. (Got an SMS on the phone some 14 days later that they had forgot to get paid so if I could please send some details about that? )
I've been doing some more thinking about what the modern equivalent of the donkey is for such an occasion and it's probably the scooter/moped. Can carry two Westerners or an entire Indian or Vietnamese family, has incredible mpg, can carry a ridiculous amount (again referencing Vietnam just do an image search), will not be hugely phased by standing traffic or abandoned cars, can tackle off road at a pinch, etc.
A motorcycle makes a lot of sense. They were also used a lot by reindeer herders here earlier to get around everywhere. These days though most have changed over to 4x4 or 4x6 utility ATVs. Many of the same benefits, but better in some terrain and with more carry capacity at the expense of higher fuel consumption. They would look more out of place in a large city though.Around here the issue would be more like where to go? Any issue here would likely be the same for quite the distance. I think I would consider a boat - big carry capacity, can keep away or avoid from many potential issues, and can go very far.
I am reminded of what happened in Luisiana with Katrina. Those that went to the Superdome. I posted a while back the idea that its possible even if one could leave by vehicle there might be a need to leave the vehicle to reach the destination by foot. What happens if you are not physically able for whatever reasons? The idea that everyone will be able to carry something is not a reality. I posted my thought about an alternative to carry. https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,65333.msg1244811.html#msg1244811There's no way I'll be carrying a bag. Well if I have to I will. Two adults can easily carry enough items to camp where ever.
I posted my thought about an alternative to carry. https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,65333.msg1244811.html#msg1244811
The cart is an interesting idea. Would need rubber all terrain never flat tires. and not small or plastic ones. Even in an urban environment, bumps and cracks in sidewalks and roads, door wills and such are easier to navigate with larger air tires.
It's another interesting question. What is the absolute minimum we would leave home with? What is the absolute minimum we could camp or hike with? What are the clothes we would take if that was the only ones we would have for a good long while? All stuff I've been thinking about as my camping/car bag got heavier and heavier (it's now 10lbs but with my disability that's a lot). A lot of it is comfort rather than sheer necessity.