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The reality of bugging out. 1500

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Re: The reality of bugging out.
« Reply #90 on: May 05, 2020, 09:01:56 PM »
Interesting. Do you have a reference for this please ? I haven't seen this stat before.:tu:

This probably only applies in the US, where we did not accept the tests that had already been produced from the WHO in February,  - rather individual laboratories scrambled to invent their own as fast as they could over the last few months.

https://www.livescience.com/covid19-coronavirus-tests-false-negatives.html

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Re: The reality of bugging out.
« Reply #91 on: May 06, 2020, 12:34:41 AM »
This probably only applies in the US, where we did not accept the tests that had already been produced from the WHO in February,  - rather individual laboratories scrambled to invent their own as fast as they could over the last few months.

https://www.livescience.com/covid19-coronavirus-tests-false-negatives.html
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Re: The reality of bugging out.
« Reply #92 on: May 06, 2020, 09:23:47 AM »
Thanks to everyone staying at home.
In a pandemic situation like this, you know you did it right when it seems like a overreaction in hindsight.
If it seems like you didn't do enough in hindsight.... :-\
I fear that we're about to go through this all over again with more deaths due to the early reopenings.

Good point.  I think as time progress, this comparison will become less relevant since South Korea to a certain extent, has it 'under control' for the last two weeks with low teen new cases, and US is still high on active cases. 

The lesson learnt here is the importance of science-driven decision making, the early availability of test has enable them to successfully do quarantine and contact tracing, which helped stop the spread.  As case numbers go up, the number of testing/contact tracking/quarantine will exponentially goes up.  And I guess that maybe why some experts would say US needs 5 million tests daily, which is a really high number.  In retrospect, the month of Jan/Feb was indeed a window of golden opportunity, and it's probably why mainstream media has been trying to hold government/personnel accountable for that loss. 

Nonetheless, no point of playing blame game but stay focus on saving lives, I really only hope the testing level can catch up, because as the spread continues, harder it is to catch up with the increasing numbers.  If Fauci was right about the virus continues into Fall, new flu cases would make this situation even more complicated to wrestle.


This probably only applies in the US, where we did not accept the tests that had already been produced from the WHO in February,  - rather individual laboratories scrambled to invent their own as fast as they could over the last few months.

https://www.livescience.com/covid19-coronavirus-tests-false-negatives.html


This is a long story.  I have friends whom were invited to join WHO meeting early in Feb, and that was the first time I heard about the of ineffective CDC tests and lack of testing in US.  It was worrisome to say the least.  As I always say, it's time to stop all the blame game, misinformation or betting on 'feeling', and it does need international collective effort to get this under control.

I agree with you on staying home--it's half of the story.  It is equally important to effectively quarantine everyone who's sick in proper facilities(so they get treated early on and lower death rate), contact trace and test those around them to make sure no one else got sick.  That's why testing is so important.  We are not only testing those with obvious symptoms, but whomever in close contact during incubation period or asymptomatic group, so we could slow down the spread and 'flatten the curve'.

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Re: The reality of bugging out.
« Reply #93 on: May 06, 2020, 03:23:59 PM »
Good point.  I think as time progress, this comparison will become less relevant since South Korea to a certain extent, has it 'under control' for the last two weeks with low teen new cases, and US is still high on active cases. 

The lesson learnt here is the importance of science-driven decision making, the early availability of test has enable them to successfully do quarantine and contact tracing, which helped stop the spread.  As case numbers go up, the number of testing/contact tracking/quarantine will exponentially goes up.  And I guess that maybe why some experts would say US needs 5 million tests daily, which is a really high number.  In retrospect, the month of Jan/Feb was indeed a window of golden opportunity, and it's probably why mainstream media has been trying to hold government/personnel accountable for that loss. 

Nonetheless, no point of playing blame game but stay focus on saving lives, I really only hope the testing level can catch up, because as the spread continues, harder it is to catch up with the increasing numbers.  If Fauci was right about the virus continues into Fall, new flu cases would make this situation even more complicated to wrestle.

This is a long story.  I have friends whom were invited to join WHO meeting early in Feb, and that was the first time I heard about the of ineffective CDC tests and lack of testing in US.  It was worrisome to say the least.  As I always say, it's time to stop all the blame game, misinformation or betting on 'feeling', and it does need international collective effort to get this under control.

I agree with you on staying home--it's half of the story.  It is equally important to effectively quarantine everyone who's sick in proper facilities(so they get treated early on and lower death rate), contact trace and test those around them to make sure no one else got sick.  That's why testing is so important.  We are not only testing those with obvious symptoms, but whomever in close contact during incubation period or asymptomatic group, so we could slow down the spread and 'flatten the curve'.

I hate to hijack this thread, but I want my friends here to be safe.
so just a few small follow up points to this

- I agree we should not play the blame game.  But it pains me that in February we didn't take and use the available tests from the WHO, and forced well-intentioned scientists and labs all over the US to MacGyver the tests on their own.  Testing was crucial at that time and we missed that window of opportunity.  It would be helpful before we re-integrate in areas of the US that haven't peaked yet.

- everyone should note that scientists have been using the phrase "flatten the curve"  this means to make it a shorter, wider curve so that anyone who is within that cure is within capacity for the proper facilities that Comis alludes to.  The area under the curve (total number affected) remains the same, but they will do better within a capable system.  It's a matter of resources.

- you will be hearing more about the antibody test in the next several weeks.  Currently, this test could come back positive for the old Coronavirus and therefore shouldn't be taken as proof of infection.  Nor should it be assumed that it indicates one is immune. 

Ok... I'll stop now.  Id be ok with carrying on the conversation on a separate thread in the Break Room - there's a hand sanitizer EDC thread where this would be more appropriate. 

 

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