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The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread

wales Offline hiraethus

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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #90 on: April 10, 2019, 10:48:58 AM
Well.  They're not really tight tolerances - more a result of how a slip joint is constructed.  There must be close clearance between the blade and liners along the axis of the pivot, and there must be contact between the backspring and tool/blade tang.  Any contamination in there is going to affect the action, and there's no reason to believe that it will be different for the different sizes of SAK.

Though I see that Al said pretty much the same up thread...  :tu:


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #91 on: January 19, 2020, 04:55:17 AM
Does anyone know what kind of finish Vic is using on their hardwood scales?


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #92 on: January 19, 2020, 10:28:57 AM
Does anyone know what kind of finish Vic is using on their hardwood scales?

They're using a finish with some hard wood.


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #93 on: January 19, 2020, 03:37:38 PM
I assume it would be an oil based finish, that penetrates the wood. It does not seem to be a coating  :dunno:


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #94 on: January 29, 2020, 09:09:18 PM
Not sure if this is quite the kind of question for this thread, but what would you price a good condition black SwissGrip with bits and original leather case?

Been looking around but it's difficult to say since the most recent sales I found were from few years ago and when it was a production model. Also is that case rare?


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #95 on: January 30, 2020, 06:22:22 PM
Very interesting thread, I have learned quite a bit!

Like the skull and crossbones we have the hook and scissors.

My first thought when reading the above line was "I want to open a bar called "Hook and Scissors" with an appropriate crest, of course!  :drink:


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #96 on: January 30, 2020, 08:31:28 PM
This brings me on to my next stupid question:

These tight tolerances, are they the same on the 130mm SAKs?

I really want to get a 130mm SAKs due to its larger saw and knife, which would be perfect for me as a “Bush walking” / “Bush Craft” knife.

The 130mm frame SAKs gets highly recommend by a lot of the outdoors channels on YouTube and they seem to do extremely well then they field test them, plus there are some who work on a farm / plantation who say they use them there every day.

(And omg just look at how good the rangerwood 55 looks)

But I am going to think twice about getting one for myself, if it is as intolerant to dust / dirt / mud as my 111mm Soldier is..


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Theres a YT video that points out that the sharpened edge on a 130mm is the same as a 111mm.  And you can't extend the sharpened part... so don't try.

So it has a longer reach, but the same cutting edge.   


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #97 on: January 30, 2020, 10:40:43 PM
RangerWood 55 would be a good choice for bush craft / field use. While the edge length may be similar, it’s a bigger tool overall so handles better imo.  :salute:

If you want to avoid wood, there’s the standard Ranger Grip 55. Below is the Autumn Spirit Special Edition 2019 which I really like.  :cheers:
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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #98 on: January 30, 2020, 10:58:59 PM
RangerWood 55 would be a good choice for bush craft / field use. While the edge length may be similar, it’s a bigger tool overall so handles better imo.  :salute:

If you want to avoid wood, there’s the standard Ranger Grip 55. Below is the Autumn Spirit Special Edition 2019 which I really like.  :cheers:
Great looking wood on that 55!  :like: :cheers:


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #99 on: January 30, 2020, 11:09:28 PM
 :hatsoff: I do like it. Gives the SAK a special character.
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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #100 on: January 31, 2020, 02:12:53 AM
Theres a YT video that points out that the sharpened edge on a 130mm is the same as a 111mm.  And you can't extend the sharpened part... so don't try.

So it has a longer reach, but the same cutting edge.
Well that's interesting, how about 120mm knives then?

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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #101 on: January 31, 2020, 04:34:58 AM
Here's my stupid question.  What is the characteristic of a blade that describes whether it's centered in the body of the knife or biased to one side?   In the picture below, you can see that the blade of the Solo is centered in the knife body, but the blade in the Pioneer is biased to one side to accommodate the reamer.  What is this bias (or lack thereof) called?

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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #102 on: January 31, 2020, 05:28:37 AM
Blade/handle offset? :dunno:
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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #103 on: January 31, 2020, 08:30:42 AM
Oh, oh, oh, oh, I think I know this!
"Blade crink". :think:
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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #104 on: January 31, 2020, 02:32:44 PM
Yes!  I knew there was a word that described this.  Thanks Don Pablo and Max!


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #105 on: February 01, 2020, 03:06:41 AM
Well that's interesting.

My follow up stupid question is...

Is the blade made at an angle with a perfectly squared tang, or is it drilled and attached at an angle?  It seems to me that the tang is perfectly squared and the blade comes off at an angle.

So then the solo is actually a different blade...

I told you it was a stupid question.


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #106 on: February 01, 2020, 04:59:07 AM
Well, I am not an expert (obviously), but just from my observation of these two knives I can say that the difference is in the blades themselves, not the way they are mounted.  So, to answer your question the way you posed it, your former hypothesis is the correct one, not the latter.   

The Pioneer's blade is ground asymmetrically with respect to its tang, whereas the Solo's blade is ground symmetrically.  So when they are mounted on/in the knife, the Pioneer's blade steers itself off to the left (in my picture's orientation above) but the Solo's blade steers itself straight ahead.  But both sit orthogonally at the point of pivot, if that makes sense.  And as we now know, thanks to Don Pablo, this state of asymmetric grind is referred to as the blade's crink

Hope this helps,

Myron



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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #107 on: February 01, 2020, 10:25:05 AM
From what I've seen on MTO, newer releases of the Solo all seem to have crinked blades, meaning they only produce a single type of blade in the 93mm range now...


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #108 on: February 01, 2020, 10:26:27 AM
From what I've seen on MTO, newer releases of the Solo all seem to have crinked blades, meaning they only produce a single type of blade in the 93mm range now...
Lazy.
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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #110 on: February 01, 2020, 11:02:33 AM
Well, I can't disagree with that.  :cheers:
Hooked, like everyone else. ;)

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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #111 on: February 01, 2020, 11:11:21 AM
Well it affords cheaper and more efficient manufacturing, that does show in Solo's reasonable price, and it is not like the Crinked blade is bad.

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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #112 on: February 01, 2020, 02:58:12 PM
That speaks to the versatility of the SAK, doesn't it?  They make one blade with a crink and it works for all their models. It's part of their character. 

We've seen much worse, when it comes to modifying implements in MTs to accommodate other implements. (ahem* LM Juice)


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #113 on: February 02, 2020, 12:24:56 AM
I strongly dislike the crink.
I get the compromise, sure, but aesthetically it's a downer.
I would probably even say it is one of the bigger reasons I'm not a die hard sak fan.


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #114 on: February 02, 2020, 10:49:24 AM
I love the ingenuity of it -  a typically Swiss elegant solution to get an extra tool in. And when that extra tool happens to be the mighty in-line awl..........

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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #115 on: May 08, 2020, 11:27:43 PM
What is the smallest SAK with a corkscrew? Current models as well as retired ones?  :think:


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #116 on: May 09, 2020, 12:33:38 AM
What is the smallest SAK with a corkscrew? Current models as well as retired ones?  :think:

Waiter... I think


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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #117 on: May 09, 2020, 01:06:43 AM
Waiter... I think

It seems to be the only current one.

Discontinued models:

Wenger Classic 63/Entree: same toolset as the Waiter, with the Wenger combo tool instead. The Evo 63 is the same except with Evo scales.
Vic Gourmet: small blade replaces combo tool.
Wenger Pheasant: same toolset as Gourmet.

There might be more from before names replaced model numbers.

It's all in the Wiki.  :tu:
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Re: The Swiss Army Knives No Stupid Questions Thread
Reply #118 on: May 09, 2020, 02:03:33 AM
Thanks guys, that’s what I needed!  :tu:


 

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