Time for a FIGHT

[NeitherExtreme]

We Americans could be headed down the same path. Every year we gotta fight Sarah Brady and her merry bunch for gun rights. Knives can come soon after.

Actually, I'd assume that knives go first, as there is much less of a support base.

[jzmtl]

Yes, but.... 

-snip-

Def

The intend part is good, but the vagueness of gravity knife etc. still allow cop/custom to screw people if they want. A mil surplus store in ontario selling knives got busted for gravity knives even thou what they sell aren't designed to be, just that cop can flick them open (which I can do to pretty much any OH knife). Also you gotta admit the balisong, numchuck, or ninja star ban is just retarded.

[Anthony]

This sounds to me like a simple case of a postal worker pocketing your Spyderco and writing it off as "illegal".  What do they do with "contraband" being sent through their postal system?  Is everything they find incinerated at some point?  I doubt it.

Good luck in any event, nothing is worse than getting tangled up in shipping problems, especially international.

[Grant Lamontagne]

Yes, but.... 

-snip-

Def

The intend part is good, but the vagueness of gravity knife etc. still allow cop/custom to screw people if they want. A mil surplus store in ontario selling knives got busted for gravity knives even thou what they sell aren't designed to be, just that cop can flick them open (which I can do to pretty much any OH knife). Also you gotta admit the balisong, numchuck, or ninja star ban is just retarded.

Yes, but....

Given the vague description of "gravity knife" allows for a certain level of defense if you are picked up for it.  If it isn't legally defined, it's open for interpretation, and interpretations can be flawed, especially when viewed under the concept of mens rea.  If you didn't intend to sell "gravity knives" and can prove it, you aren't guilty.  The best defense I ever saw for that was a guy went to Wal Mart on his way to the court house, bought 6 different types of knives in clam packs, opened the packs in court and passed them around to the various court officers to see if they could "flick them open" and when they all managed to do it one way or another the case was thrown out.

Balisongs I disagree with, but lets face it, the world is much better off without twits buying throwing stars.  The only people out there likely to buy and carry throwing stars are also the kind of people who probably don't realize how useless the damned things are, and are surprised when their friends, family and pets all are missing eyes.  Ditto for nunchucks.  I studied with various weapons in my younger days, including nunchucks and they are the worst striking weapon ever developed.  Even Bruce Lee admitted they were only used in his movies because they seemed mystical and the swinging motions looked great on camera.  Anyone who has ever tried them in real life has learned how quickly and easily you can injure your back or kidneys, or knock yourself senseless after the other end bounces back after contact with the target.  At best they are great for joint locks, come alongs and pressure points, but no one gets them for that use...

Def

[Gareth]

This sounds to me like a simple case of a postal worker pocketing your Spyderco and writing it off as "illegal".  What do they do with "contraband" being sent through their postal system?  Is everything they find incinerated at some point?  I doubt it.

Good luck in any event, nothing is worse than getting tangled up in shipping problems, especially international.

I actually don't think that happens at all.  This hasn't been picked up by a postman but by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs.  Britain is a country that thrives on red tape.  I'm certain that any item picked up will be "bagged and tagged" and in the fullness of time be destroyed.  I may utterly disagree with their interpretation of the law but I do believe they are honestly just trying to do their job.

[jzmtl]

The best defense I ever saw for that was a guy went to Wal Mart on his way to the court house, bought 6 different types of knives in clam packs, opened the packs in court and passed them around to the various court officers to see if they could "flick them open" and when they all managed to do it one way or another the case was thrown out.

Good one, I'm keep that in mind. 

I studied with various weapons in my younger days, including nunchucks and they are the worst striking weapon ever developed. 

Def

Watch out people Def is a ninja, remember that next time you want to piss him off.

[Grant Lamontagne]

I trained at the same place this guy did:



McDonalds!

Def

[WhichDawg]

Sorry to here this Flash, you have our support and fight!

[zepla]

Balisongs I disagree with, but lets face it, the world is much better off without twits buying throwing stars. 

Def
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With all the weapons (and twits) out there, a throwing star is the least of my problems...

[MultiMat]

Flasher that truly sucks , I hope you win mate.


Def how do knife  deployment systems like SOG's Powerassist manage to be legal in Canada.

[Flash]

Thanks for the support gang...letter has just gone on the post with a request for a court hearing.  I bet THAT doesn't happen only.  Thing is I am calling their bluff as I will request (as a legal entitlement) that the head of their department be present to present their case....as its civil court I can legally do that. 

The head of dept might attend but it will cost them their pay for a day and they can't claim that cost from me whether I win or loose, so at least they will be out of pocket as well.

They may well bluff me by calling a court date....thats fine.....I ain't bluffing 

I might even buy some from various shops and websites in England and if I loose the court case immediately enforce the case law rule that HMCR have to visit every shop selling these evil "Gravity knives"....it will triple their workload 

Lets give it a while and see if they contact me within the week or if they "lose" my letter 

[Benner]

I am really keen to hear how you get on. 

[cliosguy]

way to go Flash, make them bleed

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Thanks for the support gang...letter has just gone on the post with a request for a court hearing.  I bet THAT doesn't happen only.  Thing is I am calling their bluff as I will request (as a legal entitlement) that the head of their department be present to present their case....as its civil court I can legally do that. 

The head of dept might attend but it will cost them their pay for a day and they can't claim that cost from me whether I win or loose, so at least they will be out of pocket as well.

They may well bluff me by calling a court date....thats fine.....I ain't bluffing 

I might even buy some from various shops and websites in England and if I loose the court case immediately enforce the case law rule that HMCR have to visit every shop selling these evil "Gravity knives"....it will triple their workload 

Lets give it a while and see if they contact me within the week or if they "lose" my letter 

Glad your not taking this lying down mate

[BIG-TARGET]

Thanks for the support gang...letter has just gone on the post with a request for a court hearing.  I bet THAT doesn't happen only.  Thing is I am calling their bluff as I will request (as a legal entitlement) that the head of their department be present to present their case....as its civil court I can legally do that. 

The head of dept might attend but it will cost them their pay for a day and they can't claim that cost from me whether I win or loose, so at least they will be out of pocket as well.

They may well bluff me by calling a court date....thats fine.....I ain't bluffing 

I might even buy some from various shops and websites in England and if I loose the court case immediately enforce the case law rule that HMCR have to visit every shop selling these evil "Gravity knives"....it will triple their workload 

Lets give it a while and see if they contact me within the week or if they "lose" my letter 

I don't know if you can do it in your country

But with the USPS, you send the letter REGISTERED RETURN RECEIPT!

Loosing one of these type of letters is damn near IMPOSSIBLE

[Grant Lamontagne]

Flasher that truly sucks , I hope you win mate.


Def how do knife  deployment systems like SOG's Powerassist manage to be legal in Canada.

The law stipulates anything that has a button actuated mechanism.  Since assisted openers open with hand pressure (ie thumb opening) and the spring assists the opening rather than performs the opening, it's legal.  It would have been very easy for some faceless bureaucrat to draw the line on the other side of the law and say they are illegal, but I'm glad to see someone somewhere deep in the heart of Canada Customs still has a brain cell or two.

Def

[MultiMat]

Flasher that truly sucks , I hope you win mate.


Def how do knife  deployment systems like SOG's Powerassist manage to be legal in Canada.

The law stipulates anything that has a button actuated mechanism.  Since assisted openers open with hand pressure (ie thumb opening) and the spring assists the opening rather than performs the opening, it's legal.  It would have been very easy for some faceless bureaucrat to draw the line on the other side of the law and say they are illegal, but I'm glad to see someone somewhere deep in the heart of Canada Customs still has a brain cell or two.

Def

I thought the powerassist had a press button knife release , re reading bob's review I was mistaking the safety button as the deployment button. The powerassist only kicks in after you have started to press on the thumb stud. It does get complicated doesn't  it  I guess that is what bureaucrats do best , make the simple complicated  .   

[Sean]

Bear in mind that I am no great lover of laws or lawmakers, but I have to say that for the most part, Canada has it right.  We have no length restrictions on blades-

Def


I agree I do think they pretty much have it right.  I've carried around cutlery pretty much all my life and never had any problems.  Then again you'd think it hard for a man out with his children whittling them something at a park or cutting fruit for lunch to be singled out and hassled no matter what he was using.  Thanks for the insight.

sean

[Benner]

Flasher that truly sucks , I hope you win mate.


Def how do knife  deployment systems like SOG's Powerassist manage to be legal in Canada.

The law stipulates anything that has a button actuated mechanism.  Since assisted openers open with hand pressure (ie thumb opening) and the spring assists the opening rather than performs the opening, it's legal.  It would have been very easy for some faceless bureaucrat to draw the line on the other side of the law and say they are illegal, but I'm glad to see someone somewhere deep in the heart of Canada Customs still has a brain cell or two.

Def

I thought the powerassist had a press button knife release , re reading bob's review I was mistaking the safety button as the deployment button. The powerassist only kicks in after you have started to press on the thumb stud. It does get complicated doesn't  it  I guess that is what bureaucrats do best , make the simple complicated  .   

It's daft really as both are as equally quick.  They do use a different principle though as one only assists (eases up the opening process after you have physically started to open it) and the other opens "automatically" after the press of a button.

[Grant Lamontagne]

Yes, but Hollywood isn't glorifying assisted opening blades as a gang weapon used to cut up innocent victims.

Def

[BIG-TARGET]

You mean like this commercial

[Flash]

OK......I might not show that to the court 

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

OK......I might not show that to the court 

Might be tempted to enact it though

[Medic82]

OK......I might not show that to the court 

You are a wise man.

[Grant Lamontagne]

You mean like this commercial

Sorta, but luckily that wasn't an assisted opener and nothing Russell Crowe does is admissible in court!

Def

[flapjackboy]

You mean like this commercial

What I love about that is that he's clearly got the serrated blade out and yet he stabs the bad guy in the neck. How? The blade shown clearly has no point with which to penetrate skin.

[flapjackboy]

You mean like this commercial

What I love about that is that he's clearly got the serrated blade out and yet he stabs the bad guy in the neck. How? The blade shown has no point with which to penetrate skin.

[appletree_man]

That's just not right. Can you ship stuff to Scotland and pick it up over there..as in a PO box? 

That's how people in California, New York, and Maryland skirt the law with certain items. Just send it to a neighboring post office box in the next state.

HM Customs cover the whole of the UK, including Scotland. Same daft importing rules here.
In fact the way things are going with the Scottish Parliament we could soon be getting worse knife laws than England 

I never mark a package as 'knife', always 'tool', not matter what type it is.

[Dunc]

Any news on this yet Flash ?   


Dunc

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Any news on this yet Flash ?   


Dunc

Oddly enough I was thinking about this today