Scissors: old screw VS new rivet

[Dayday]

Hello guys!
Could you please tell your experience with Victorinox scissors. Which are generally better: old ones with screw or new with rivets?

[rvlulu]

 Hello, I think it doesn't matter if there's the slot to guide the spring.

[kamakiri]

Hello, I think it doesn't matter if there's the slot to guide the spring.

New ones are functionally better for this reason.

I mean I like the adjustability of the screws, but I like the groove/spring arrangement better for a user.

At least after the springs were double leaf. I like the action of the early single leaf ones better.

[Helvetica Bold]

For me the new ones with the rivet and spring slot are much better functionally so that where my vote went 

[Jothra]

Screw or rivet, If you ever find yourself adjusting the tightness of your scissors, you've got some soul searching to do.

[cody6268]

I like the screw as I can adjust the blades to my liking.

While I've never had the issue, screws falling out was why Victorinox made the change; and to the average user, that's probably better that way.

[kamakiri]

Screw or rivet, If you ever find yourself adjusting the tightness of your scissors, you've got some soul searching to do.

I gotta search anyway. Lost mine ages ago.

[Jothra]

I gotta search anyway. Lost mine ages ago.

Fair enough.

I had to re-peen an s18 once, and still haven't figured out what I did to mess up the rivet in the first place.

[kamakiri]

Fair enough.

I had to re-peen an s18 once, and still haven't figured out what I did to mess up the rivet in the first place.

I’ve just actually needed to make the adjustment on my OG ‘84 Champion. Not for preference or anything. They just eventually come loose from use. I’ve used them a lot.

[Rizio Il Ghiro]

Had to vote for the new one as I’ve not had one fail on me yet and the guide slot does improve the reliability - I’ve had to re-peen the screws on both knives that have them, and the eyeglass screwdriver got used frequently to tighten up the scissors screw on my golfer/compact!

[Gareth]

Had to vote for the new one as I’ve not had one fail on me yet and the guide slot does improve the reliability - I’ve had to re-peen the screws on both knives that have them, and the eyeglass screwdriver got used frequently to tighten up the scissors screw on my golfer/compact!

That's the exactly the same model I have an particular issue with the screw backing out on me too. 

In general I don't have an issue with either system but given the above issue the rivet gets my vote.

[Rizio Il Ghiro]

Gareth, good to see I wasn’t the only one - I ended up getting a warranty repair done by Vic and they cured it without changing it for a newer style rivet.

[Dayday]

Thank you for your opinions! At least, new rivet is not worse, good to know.

I found interesting item of Ambassador. It comes with screw AND has groove. Blade is stamped "rostfrei".

[gene stoner]

I personally haven't noticed enough difference to have a preference. I have examples of both but never pay attention when I'm using it as to which one I'm using at the moment.

[gene stoner]

Thank you for your opinions! At least, new rivet is not worse, good to know.

I found interesting item of Ambassador. It comes with screw AND has groove. Blade is stamped "rostfrei".

I have a Climber with both the screw and the grove. I get some pics up later today.

[Dayday]

Got new Ambassador with rivet. Scissors are tight. They don’t open by themselves to the full angle. I have to help them with finger.

Could you please check video is it OK?

[Sawl Goodman]

Got new Ambassador with rivet. Scissors are tight. They don’t open by themselves to the full angle. I have to help them with finger.

Could you please check video is it OK?

Looks OK to me. 

[McStitchy]

Interesting topic Dayday 
In my opinion the new pivot style ones are great... mostly.

However, I've got problems with at least 2 of my newer SAKs with a too tight pivot, and I couldn't get them loosen up at all. On the Deluxe Tinker the pliers are the same.
I'm ignoring them ever since, and hope I'll not run into that problem ever again. It's the first thing I check on a new SAK.

My vote goes to the Screw 

[VICMAN]

I prefer the new rivet scissors.

[Sawl Goodman]

Interesting topic Dayday 
In my opinion the new pivot style ones are great... mostly.

However, I've got problems with at least 2 of my newer SAKs with a too tight pivot, and I couldn't get them loosen up at all. On the Deluxe Tinker the pliers are the same.
I'm ignoring them ever since, and hope I'll not run into that problem ever again. It's the first thing I check on a new SAK.

My vote goes to the Screw 

Agree! I do prefer the screwed scissors for their adjustability. As you say, riveted scissors can be so darn stiff sometimes, same with the pliers. Really annoying.

[MacGyver]

Got new Ambassador with rivet. Scissors are tight. They don%u2019t open by themselves to the full angle. I have to help them with finger.

Could you please check video is it OK?

Looks pretty normal to me. Same as with 99% of new SAK's 

Did you wanted the scissors to be loose and flip-floping around...? I personally like them nice and snug, both scissors and pliers. It's a lot more controlled, and less risk of them opening all the way by themselves when closing and risking closing them open on the spring and bending the spring, last thing i want...

My wife's Executive scissors flip-flops loosely when open, and i just hate using her scissors, way too loose for me. 

[Sawl Goodman]

In the unlikely event that you find riveted scissors too loose, you can hit the rivet carefully with a hammer on some kind of anvil to tighten it. I haven't found a way to loosen a too tight rivet though. I have some riveted scissors that barely open halfway by spring tension.

If you find screwed scissors too loose or too tight, you can simply take to them with an appropriate screwdriver. I have some screwed Wenger scissors that were unusably loose when I bought the knife. How they got this way mystifies me as the screw was incredibly hard to turn and I could see no wear in the slot. I did manage to tighten it eventually with a modified Vic can opener end.