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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 6,371
Stuck battery in LD20
« on: September 15, 2020, 05:36:24 PM »
I went to use my Fenix LD20 last night, to find the battery was dead. I unscrewed the head to find the battery had swelled, and is very difficult to extract. I used a MP400 to pull out the battery as far as I can, marring the nipple, but I can't pull it out any further.  Any suggestions on how to finish extracting the battery to save the flashlight?
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 8,807
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2020, 05:43:13 PM »
Could you post a pic please?

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Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2020, 05:58:26 PM »
Pics would help, but you could try bunging it in the freezer for a while to hopefully make the battery contract a little?

If yo ucan get a grip on it, twisting as you pull should help dislodge it as well.

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Global Moderator Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 23,596
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2020, 06:21:00 PM »
Dang, thats not fun.  I was thinking a little lube?  Maybe something you'd use for the treads on the light?  A very small amount to aid in extraction. 

Good luck. 

Esse Quam Videri
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 14,471
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2020, 06:21:16 PM »
Freezer indeed.
I was once sceptical about that, untill it turned out to be the solution for something else.

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Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2020, 06:22:40 PM »
 :like:

Esse Quam Videri
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Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2020, 06:27:23 PM »
I've had this problem over the years with D Cell Maglites.  The issue is caused by lesser quality batteries, hence, I tend to pay a bit more for Duracells etc. 

With the Maglites I used to put them in freezer as has been suggested (and then shake them) and if that didn't work spray WD40 down the torch, let it work its way right through beyond the battery and then either shake vertically or swing the torch. Often, with heavier batteries that works.  It may not be as successful with an LD20 as the battery is lighter.

Plan B is to drill the battery and attempt to hook it out. This is usually only moderately successful and it ruins your tools and exposes you to nasty chemicals, but it can be done.  Drill the centre of the battery for almost all its length and the try to pry the outer case away from the outer wall of the torch. I cannot stress strongly enough that this is the absolute last resort as it may trash the torch in the process.

Either way good luck and I hope you are able to get it sorted  :tu:
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 6,371
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2020, 06:29:07 PM »
I just tried twisting it while pulling to no luck. I'm going to throw it in the freezer for a little bit.

Global Moderator Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 23,596
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2020, 06:32:38 PM »
Dang.  Be interesting to see how it works for you.  Love the simple notion that the freezer works which I really like. 

Esse Quam Videri
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Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2020, 07:04:40 PM »
I just hope it usn't stuck due to a leak :/
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Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2020, 11:26:12 PM »
To get a better grip on the stuck battery:

Drill a small hole in the exposed end of the battery.  Screw a wood screw with large threads into the hole. Pull on the screw using a pliers.

Then, there is what is known as the "freeze pop" method in which you fill the flashlight with water behind the battery and close off the end of the flashlight which contains the water.  Place the flashlight inside the freezer over night and the water will expand while it freezes, pushing the battery out farther.

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 6,371
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2020, 01:17:26 AM »
I have the body in the freezer still.  I would try the water method, however the problem is that the flashlight body has a switch on the tail, and I don't know if it would be damaged by the freezing water.
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Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2020, 04:05:15 PM »
 :popcorn:

I would not have thought to drill battery. 

Esse Quam Videri
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Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2020, 06:55:23 PM »
I was going to suggest the drill & screw method but parnass beat me to it.  :salute:

Assuming it was an alkaline battery that leaked, then if freezing  and/or screw doesn't work then you could try some vinegar - it is a mild acid and it can sometimes dissolve enough of the alkaline deposits to loosen the battery. I'd unscrew the tailcap with the switch first (if it isn't stuck as well).

Generally speaking it is good practice to always remove alkaline batteries from anything that isn't going to be used regularly.  Almost all alkaline batteries will leak eventually, and are more prone to leaking once they get flat.  I usually suggest lithium primary batteries for any device that isn't going to be used regularly, they cost more but leaks are much less common.

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 6,371
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2020, 08:40:38 PM »
I usually use lithium primaries in my few used lights, but I didn't have any on hand.  The sucky thing is I just used the light the week before without any issues.
No Life Club Posts: 1,282
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2020, 03:14:38 AM »
I've had this issue and tried the drill it out method.  I've had a couple that I didn't have to use a screw, after the drill bit got an inch to an inch and a half it caught and started spinning the battery (get a good grip on the flashlight) and I could gently pull the battery out with the drill bit!

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,428
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2020, 10:45:27 AM »
I still have to remove the remains of a battery from inside an Olight I3S EOS... it's at the stage where only a drill will save it.

No Life Club Posts: 4,690 Apparently it is possible to have too many tools;)
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2020, 10:53:20 PM »
I still have to remove the remains of a battery from inside an Olight I3S EOS... it's at the stage where only a drill will save it.

You might have to use progressively large drill bits until there's not much battery left, then lever out the remains.  But be careful not to drill too far in and damage anything.

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 6,371
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2020, 01:01:33 AM »
No luck on my end as of yet, unfortunately.
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Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2020, 08:10:00 AM »
No luck on my end as of yet, unfortunately.

What have you tried so far ?

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,428
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2020, 10:29:52 AM »
You might have to use progressively large drill bits until there's not much battery left, then lever out the remains.  But be careful not to drill too far in and damage anything.
Yeah I think I have now done as much drilling as I should; almost all of the battery wall is gone from the perimeter of the battery compartment, I have emptied it of a dark powder and I think I'm looking at the end of the battery still in there.

The drill press I used only had one speed - fast. If it could go slowly I may have had a chance of the bit rotating the remains of the battery.
 
Now to find something to pry with...
« Last Edit: September 19, 2020, 10:35:04 AM by Syncop8r »

Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,428
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2020, 03:38:34 AM »
Olight I3S EOS
Can someone please tell me what sort of spring is in the end of these? I have another similar model with a coil spring.
There's a springy piece of metal in the end of this one and I'm not sure if it's some remnants of the battery (in which case I will try to pull it out with some needlenose pliers) or some sort of spring.  :think:

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Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2020, 04:51:33 AM »
is the i3s the silver one? or was that an older name for this model, I have a few I can dig out an check.

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Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2020, 05:00:32 AM »
ahh nvrmind, I found the 13s its the older version, just so many of these i3's laying around from all their free promos its a bit ridiculous...anyways there is a brass/goldish colored spring in the tailcap, has about 3-4 coils about 3/8" diameter at base and about 3/16' diameter at top of spring, and guessing the overall height of it is just under 3/8"

And looking at newer i3e spring vs older i3s they are almost identical, so you may be able to swap one in...I even tried the i3s head on the i3e body it kinda fits and you still get 3 modes but it doesnt go down threads as far as it should.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2020, 05:17:14 AM by Blackbeard »

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,428
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2020, 09:06:58 AM »
OK so it's the same as the spring in my brass Olight (I can't remember what it's called, their model names are too confusing).
Thanks for looking Blackbeard.  :hatsoff:

I'll keep prying...  :whistle:

Zombie Apprentice Posts: 14,471
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2020, 09:28:28 AM »
Free Olights??

I had to buy every I3 I have.
And Olight decided to screw me over with the Seeker 2.

3 months and still no flashlight in my hands :/

Anyway, I hope you'll get it fixed Synco!

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 6,371
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2020, 12:04:24 AM »
I tried the freezer and momentum forces and pliers to no luck, thus far.
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,428
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2020, 12:13:01 AM »
I tried the freezer and momentum forces and pliers to no luck, thus far.
You could try the drill a small hole and screw method mentioned earlier, or I wonder if drilling two holes on opposite sides then inserting needlenose pliers and twisting would work?
Hopefully you can get it out whole rather than obliterated like mine.

Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,428
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2020, 12:20:08 AM »
I think the piece of metal that's left (I think it's stuck to the spring) is the Collector.
I don't think it's a carbon cathode.  :dunno:

(Sorry for hijacking your thread Sazabi)

Zombie Apprentice Posts: 19,352 Oxygen and magnesium toghether?! OMg!
Re: Stuck battery in LD20
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2020, 06:49:05 PM »
Isn't drilling the battery dangerous? I thought they had corrosive liquid inside, like you see when they leak.

If drilling is OK, why not try to use a thin corkscrew, like you'd do with a bottle?

I remember seeing a video where you threw a small lirhium battery in water and it would explode. Could this happen if you use that water+freezer trick?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNMfe20I_IE

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