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Knot in October GAW 8157

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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #690 on: November 07, 2020, 04:51:58 PM »
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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #691 on: November 07, 2020, 05:00:06 PM »
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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #693 on: November 08, 2020, 09:22:40 AM »
Nix, you gonna show us how you tie your shoe laces?
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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #694 on: November 08, 2020, 08:53:38 PM »
Nix, you gonna show us how you tie your shoe laces?

This is how I do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O-xaJrao1w

Should have used this as an entry...

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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #695 on: November 08, 2020, 11:10:33 PM »
This is how I do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O-xaJrao1w

Should have used this as an entry...

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I do it that way too! :D

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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #696 on: November 09, 2020, 01:51:29 AM »
This is how I do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O-xaJrao1w

Should have used this as an entry...

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That's a cool way to tie it, but not a different knot as a result  :salute:
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« Reply #697 on: November 09, 2020, 02:42:50 AM »
Nix, you gonna show us how you tie your shoe laces?


Yeah, I guess I owe you guys this method of shoe lace tying. I call it a "double slip knot" or a "Doubly slippery Surgeon's knot". This is very similar, but knot identical to Ashley's "Double slip knot". Close enough, though.

I had never had a pair of shoes or boots come untied using this method. I tie it so often that my fingers do it without thought. If I try to tie my shoes in some other way, I have to slow down and think about it. I say this because it may seem a bit more complex than a standard lace tie, but once you get it down, it becomes second nature.

This knot starts out much like a standard slipped Reef knot (Square knot) by forming a simple half-knot with the two laces:


(This is knot one of my shoes, it just seemed easier to use a roll of towels to visually demonstrate this knot.)


Left over right, followed by right over left:





Now, like a slippery Reef knot, a bight is formed with one tail and pushed under the crossed laces:





The above is a Slippery Reef knot. You could be done here, but this is not very secure (as we've already warned about the Reef knot).

So, a second bight is formed with the second tail and passed through the Reef knot:





In the above photo, you can see that the two bights form two slip knots. The working ends form two half-knots over one half-knot (a Surgeon's or Ligature knot).

It is a simple, but important, matter to cinch the knot up and dress it a bit:





So, two slip knots, their tails pinched in the center of the knot. In addition, the Surgeon's knot feature is inherently less likely to spill or fall apart. Those two features make this lace tying knot very secure and reliable.

Awl cinched up tight:





As I said, this knot has never failed me with any lace material or 550 cord. I highly recommend it.  :tu:

But I do have another method I like called the Mountaineer tie...........


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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #698 on: November 09, 2020, 03:39:54 AM »
Interesting

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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #699 on: November 09, 2020, 03:42:18 AM »
Try it.

I make the first half-knot as usual, then tie the two slip knots at the same time: cross the tails, tuck the two bights through the center of the knot in opposite directions. Snug down. Done.

It is as fast as anything.

And your shoes will not come untied.   :tu:

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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #700 on: November 09, 2020, 04:22:49 PM »

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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #701 on: November 09, 2020, 10:40:11 PM »
Here is my "Mountaneer's Bootlace knot".

I don't know what the actual name is, but I ran across this knot in a mountaineering book as the recommend knot to keep you from stepping on your untied laces, tripping, and falling to your death. Motivated me to learn it......  :dunno:


Step 1, using my demonstration "boot":

We start with a simple half-knot and form a bight with one of the free tails. I'm right handed, so I make a bight in the right hand tail, but it can be tied either way.





Step 2: the other free tail is wrapped around the bight twice and then used to form a second bight (Fuzzy might call them "ears".):





Step 3: the second bight then gets fed through the two twists made around the first bight:





This completes the knot, although it still needs to be dressed and tightened:





Step 4: be sure to dress it carefully and cinch tight.





This is another secure lace knot. Very secure if dressed and cinched!  The extra twist provides a bit more grip and friction, making this knot less prone to spill than standard knots. Again, I've never had this knot come undone.

However....I find this knot a bit more fiddly to tie and dress than the "Double Slip Knot" variant I described a few posts ago. So I don't often use this knot. Nevertheless, I tie my laces with this one just to practice it and keep it in mind.


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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #702 on: November 09, 2020, 10:42:51 PM »
Try it.

I make the first half-knot as usual, then tie the two slip knots at the same time: cross the tails, tuck the two bights through the centRE of the knot in opposite directions. Snug down. Done.

It is as fast as anything.

And your shoes will not come untied.   :tu:

I think if you make the Surgeon's knot with both tails going through where the opposite loop is, ie, by tying the knot with both loops twice around each other, instead of slippery bites, the tails hold even stronger. They also come out to the sides, instead of the middle, making everything look more balanced and "normal"

Maybe it depends on the lace material. My work boots have zips up the inside so once laces are tied to fit my foot, I don't have to untie and retie every time I take off and put on my boots
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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #703 on: November 09, 2020, 10:46:09 PM »
I think if you make the Surgeon's knot with both tails going through where the opposite loop is, ie, by tying the knot with both loops twice around each other, instead of slippery bites, the tails hold even stronger. They also come out to the sides, instead of the middle, making everything look more balanced and "normal"

Maybe it depends on the lace material. My work boots have zips up the inside so once laces are tied to fit my foot, I don't have to untie and retie every time I take off and put on my boots


I think you are describing Ashley's version. Which may be better than mine. I just find mine is easier to tie. And has never failed me.   :tu:

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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #704 on: November 09, 2020, 11:01:40 PM »

I think you are describing Ashley's version. Which may be better than mine. I just find mine is easier to tie. And has never failed me.   :tu:

I'll need to check that out. Ok, Knot 1219 by the looks, he calls it the double slip knot. Actually, 1216 looks to be a half and half of 1219 and yours  :dunno:

Also, if tying hiking boots with long laces, if you tie the double overhand on the first knot, the lace is less likely to slip back out as you fiddle with your bites  :tu:
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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #705 on: November 09, 2020, 11:04:16 PM »
Great point!   :like:

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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #706 on: November 12, 2020, 01:49:51 AM »
It's the 21st century. I keep my shoes on with velcro.
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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #707 on: November 12, 2020, 04:00:08 AM »
My sandals don't even use velcro......   :whistle:

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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #708 on: November 12, 2020, 09:11:07 AM »
My sandals don't even use velcro......   :whistle:
You wear flip-flops? :o :D

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Re: Knot in October GAW
« Reply #709 on: November 12, 2020, 03:01:37 PM »
You wear flip-flops? :o :D

Well....not when I'm bowling.....duh.....


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