Victorinox Damast 2021 Limited Edition

dks · **Reply #30 on:** July 02, 2021, 08:49:21 AM

and it should be only about 600Euros in Europe

Rizio Il Ghiro · **Reply #31 on:** July 02, 2021, 09:31:58 AM

Thanks for the heads up, Huntsman.

That does look very nice indeed, but at that kind of price, too much for me….. I’m sure that those who can afford it will love it - those scales….

A few years back there was going to be a CT34 with carbon scales, but I think they only made to a few shops in Switzerland and as a result I’ve not seen one……

Huntsman · **Reply #32 on:** July 02, 2021, 10:09:08 AM

You can see one here:

https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Cybertool
This one lives in China and belongs to xfile who is a member here

There's also a couple more images in the CT gallery

Simon_Templar · **Reply #33 on:** July 02, 2021, 01:28:14 PM

This is crazy.

While I totally get the fascination for LEs in principle and for the damast knives in particular, I still think that every LE should at least theoretically be a user. If I carried and used, say, a Man on the Moon Tinker, a connoisseur of SAKs who saw me might think: "Wow, he uses a MotM - he must be well-off." In the case of the damast Swiss Champ, that same connoisseur would undoubtedly think: "Wow, he uses a damast SC - he must be insane."

If a LE costs twice, three times or even four times as much as the base model, one can still somehow justify using it. But if it costs 12 times as much, there simply is no relationship whatsoever between the LE and the SAK on which it is based.

If I had one of the damast SCs, the thought of ever using it would be inconceivable. I would obviously have to maintain it in pristine condition and contend myself with admiring it once in a while (better not touch it though; you might get it stained or scratched) before eventually re-selling or leaving it to my heirs. Where is the fun in that?

It's a real pity: such a nice tool and no way anyone in their right mind will ever put it to use...

pfrsantos · **Reply #34 on:** July 02, 2021, 01:52:47 PM

Quote from: Simon_Templar on July 02, 2021, 01:28:14 PM

This is crazy.

While I totally get the fascination for LEs in principle and for the damast knives in particular, I still think that every LE should at least theoretically be a user. If I carried and used, say, a Man on the Moon Tinker, a connoisseur of SAKs who saw me might think: "Wow, he uses a MotM - he must be well-off." In the case of the damast Swiss Champ, that same connoisseur would undoubtedly think: "Wow, he uses a damast SC - he must be insane."

If a LE costs twice, three times or even four times as much as the base model, one can still somehow justify using it. But if it costs 12 times as much, there simply is no relationship whatsoever between the LE and the SAK on which it is based.

If I had one of the damast SCs, the thought of ever using it would be inconceivable. I would obviously have to maintain it in pristine condition and contend myself with admiring it once in a while (better not touch it though; you might get it stained or scratched) before eventually re-selling or leaving it to my heirs. Where is the fun in that?

It's a real pity: such a nice tool and no way anyone in their right mind will ever put it to use...

Rizio Il Ghiro · **Reply #35 on:** July 02, 2021, 02:07:33 PM

Quote from: Huntsman on July 02, 2021, 10:09:08 AM

You can see one here:

https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Cybertool
This one lives in China and belongs to xfile who is a member here

There's also a couple more images in the CT gallery

Thanks, Huntsman. And that’s as close I’ve got to actually seeing one, let alone being able to buy one in a shop - it was implied that it would be an available item in the press release back then, but it wasn’t even offered for sale in the UK….. I remember people speculating that the carbon scales were hard to make….

Huntsman · **Reply #36 on:** July 02, 2021, 02:45:34 PM

Yes I for one and a few of us here doubted that it even existed until xfile popped up w those pictures

FolderBeholder · **Reply #37 on:** July 02, 2021, 06:04:58 PM

Quote from: Huntsman on July 02, 2021, 04:21:54 AM

Looks like the rumours were true!!

https://altofilo.com/tienda/ols/products/swiss-champ-damasco-29-funciones-edicion-limitada-2021-cachas-de-carbono-victorinox?fbclid=IwAR2oOeNBGR_IPjnr4QaAjPJRzxBVXSFkRvm6VgwRS3cePa19TyZr3l1gEQc

What a beauty! Currency looks like Mexican Pesos so that is about $600 USD ..... Too pricey for me

Thank you for the update!
I will want one. Even though I don't have the entire collection, still missing a couple.

BerkshireHunter · **Reply #38 on:** July 02, 2021, 11:59:47 PM

The carbon fiber Swiss Champ is interesting but $600 sounds too much. If they come in cheaper in the US I might buy one.

Huntsman · **Reply #39 on:** July 03, 2021, 02:28:18 AM

Agree with you once again Sir Simon.

It's a shame - I do remember that someone here used the Damascus Explorer as an EDC - which was great to hear

However the price hike from regular to Damascus model seems to be increasing!
And of course the resale value of these thjings is crazy - So the likeihood of Damascus models ever being users is now non existent I'd say.

Interesting point here - If you agree they should/could be users, which I do in principle - Then the Vic kitchen Damascus knives are a much better bet.

You use them in a much safer and cleaner environment, with less chance of getting damaged, bashed up, scratched or, worst of all, lost!
SAKs, as EDC multitools, are in a very precarious, tough environment, if you want to keep them pristine.

Re the kitchen knves as users ....... that's iff you can afford them of course.

I had to buy a new bread knife recently - My old one was complete rubbish
- I would have loved the Vic Damascus but it's totally overpriced - Even the Opinel is pretty expensive in Oz
So I did a bit of research/surfing and found a Japanese one that got great reviews for about $25 which is absolutely awesome!!
Taught me a lesson - actually!

EDIT PS: We just included the kitchen models in the Vic Damascus page in the Wiki
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Damascus+Limited+Editions
I hope that is OK with everyone - as of course they are not SAKs - But I thought they were worth a mensh.

Huntsman · **Reply #40 on:** July 03, 2021, 04:04:57 AM

One final (?) observation.

Would you rather have one Damascus SwissChamp or two of these ...
- Yep when they came out, if you shopped around, you could get one for $300

Is Vic gettting greedy?

I also wonder about the markup - Let's say average wholesale to retail markup is 50%
So for a regular SC the retailer is making say $40 - For the Damascus $300 ..... For the same amount of work!! Hmmm

...... Note I have no idea if the markup % is anywhere near accurate !!

Echotech · **Reply #41 on:** July 03, 2021, 07:32:01 AM

Quote from: Huntsman on July 03, 2021, 04:04:57 AM

One final (?) observation.

Would you rather have one Damascus SwissChamp or two of these ...
- Yep when they came out, if you shopped around, you could get one for $300

Is Vic gettting greedy?

I also wonder about the markup - Let's say average wholesale to retail markup is 50%
So for a regular SC the retailer is making say $40 - For the Damascus $300 ..... For the same amount of work!! Hmmm
...... Note I have no idea if the markup % is anywhere near accurate !!

nice H

Simon_Templar · **Reply #42 on:** July 03, 2021, 09:58:34 AM

Quote from: Huntsman on July 03, 2021, 02:28:18 AM

Agree with you once again Sir Simon.

It's a shame - I do remember that someone here used the Damascus Explorer as an EDC - which was great to hear
However the price hike from regular to Damascus model seems to be increasing!
And of course the resale value of these thjings is crazy - So the likeihood of Damascus models ever being users is now non existent I'd say.

Interesting point here - If you agree they should/could be users, which I do in principle - Then the Vic kitchen Damascus knives are a much better bet.
You use them in a much safer and cleaner environment, with less chance of getting damaged, bashed up, scratched or, worst of all, lost!
SAKs, as EDC multitools, are in a very precarious, tough environment, if you want to keep them pristine.

Re the kitchen knves as users ....... that's iff you can afford them of course.

I had to buy a new bread knife recently - My old one was complete rubbish
- I would have loved the Vic Damascus but it's totally overpriced - Even the Opinel is pretty expensive in Oz
So I did a bit of research/surfing and found a Japanese one that got great reviews for about $25 which is absolutely awesome!!
Taught me a lesson - actually!

EDIT PS: We just included the kitchen models in the Vic Damascus page in the Wiki
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Damascus+Limited+Editions
I hope that is OK with everyone - as of course they are not SAKs - But I thought they were worth a mensh.

Great minds think alike, Sir Huntsman

From a rational point of view, I agree that if it has a to be a Vic damast knife, a kitchen knife might be a more sensible choice. Problem is, if you lust for a damast SAK, chances are you will not be satisfied if you buy a more reasonably priced damast kitchen knife instead.

What I find ironic about the damast SC is that Victorinox, thanks to prohibitive pricing, turns its masterpiece of functionality into a lifeless showpiece that is absolutely certain to spend its life unused in a showcase or drawer, like a precious coin or jewel.

The Swisschamp is the only tool I brought when I went to China as a postgraduate. Except for a few screwdrivers, it was the only tool I had when I left two years later (too bad it got lost during the move). It really can substitute a whole toolbox if you have to travel light or are on a budget. It just begs you to use it and to be amazed by what it can do. I find it cruel to deprive it from this.

BerkshireHunter · **Reply #43 on:** July 03, 2021, 09:37:34 PM

Quote from: Simon_Templar on July 03, 2021, 09:58:34 AM

The Swisschamp is the only tool I brought when I went to China as a postgraduate. Except for a few screwdrivers, it was the only tool I had when I left two years later (too bad it got lost during the move). It really can substitute a whole toolbox if you have to travel light or are on a budget. It just begs you to use it and to be amazed by what it can do. I find it cruel to deprive it from this.

Indeed, it’s great to throw in the suitcase on any vacation.

Rizio Il Ghiro · **Reply #44 on:** July 23, 2021, 10:51:38 AM

For those who are interested, it's appeared on the UK Vic site £325 - so it should be on the European sites too - you'll find it under medium knives not new arrivals for some reason!

Cheers!

Rizio Il Ghiro · **Reply #45 on:** July 23, 2021, 12:08:18 PM

Now showing as out of stock on the UK website......

Fireman · **Reply #46 on:** July 23, 2021, 12:20:34 PM

In stock in the US at $400.

Thunderpants · **Reply #47 on:** July 23, 2021, 05:21:55 PM

I just ordered one for an eye-poppin' 429 euros from selected-knives.de. I don't know if this is a great price or not, because I haven't seen it on sale anywhere else yet. But I imagine it's cheap compared to how it will be in 10 years time!
My first Swiss Champ, by the way!