Play in a Charge liner lock..

Leatherman123 · **on:** January 23, 2009, 02:29:35 AM

I recently bought another TTi.. I was inspecting it today; and the saw blade has up and down play! It's minuscule, but it really bothers me!

rockyman500 · **Reply #1 on:** January 23, 2009, 02:38:56 AM

isn't it the "top dog"?

Leatherman123 · **Reply #2 on:** January 23, 2009, 02:45:15 AM

Yeah, I'm not knocking on LM's quality; but this tool deffinitely slipped quality control! It's so bad that when the lock is engaged and you shake the tool; you can hear the saw moving back and fourth!

rockyman500 · **Reply #3 on:** January 23, 2009, 02:46:20 AM

can't you tighten it up?

Tinnie · **Reply #4 on:** January 23, 2009, 03:01:04 AM

Quote from: rockyman500 on January 23, 2009, 02:46:20 AM

can't you tighten it up?

If its side to side play it can be solved by tightening it up. However if it is up and down play when the tool is locked...then its the lock itself.

My TTi also has play...but only for the file(and I hate the file rubbing the sides

)

Leatherman123 · **Reply #5 on:** January 23, 2009, 03:02:19 AM

Is it an up and down play? I am just going to return it to where I purchased it.. I can't be bothered with waiting three weeks to get it back with the LM warranty!

Tinnie · **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2009, 03:20:34 AM

Quote from: Leatherman123 on January 23, 2009, 03:02:19 AM

Is it an up and down play?

Mine is side to side play...however there is minor play up and down. I might go to a hardware shop and look for some security hex screws and see what I can do. When I finished reading this thread I checked it again and if you really wanna be anal about play there is tiny play(up and down) in the main blade is well

I should really stop giving it such tough jobs and maybe just pull back the throttle a lil bit...since it was a nice gift and I like the paint job.

Benner · **Reply #7 on:** January 23, 2009, 06:55:48 PM

It was LM's liner locks that actually put me off liner locking blades completely. The ones on my original Wave were simply awful and considering that it had been returned to warranty for new handles this was very disappointing.

Luckily I have now got past my phobia of liner locks

and I now have a couple of nice blades with them that I really like.

max6166 · **Reply #8 on:** January 23, 2009, 08:44:22 PM

Quote from: Benner on January 23, 2009, 06:55:48 PM

It was LM's liner locks that actually put me off liner locking blades completely. The ones on my original Wave were simply awful and considering that it had been returned to warranty for new handles this was very disappointing.

The liner lock for the PE blade on my Wave is faulty too. It doesn't come out far enough to fully engage the back of the blade. The rest of them are fine though.

Tinnie · **Reply #9 on:** January 24, 2009, 02:24:12 AM

Speaking about the dodgy things in the Charge...does anybody have play in the lanyard ring/pocket clip attachment??

e.g. when you attach the lanyard ring or pocket clip there is play?

Leatherman123 · **Reply #10 on:** January 24, 2009, 02:26:15 AM

Side to side? Yes, there is a little in pretty much all my Charges..

kwakster · **Reply #11 on:** January 24, 2009, 02:13:55 PM

Quote from: max6166 on January 23, 2009, 08:44:22 PM

Quote from: Benner on January 23, 2009, 06:55:48 PM
It was LM's liner locks that actually put me off liner locking blades completely. The ones on my original Wave were simply awful and considering that it had been returned to warranty for new handles this was very disappointing.

The liner lock for the PE blade on my Wave is faulty too. It doesn't come out far enough to fully engage the back of the blade. The rest of them are fine though.

Just file an itsy bitsy from the back of the blade where it rests on the toolframe, that should do the trick without dissassembly of the tool.
Use a piece of sandpaper wrapped around a thin piece of wood, or even better, the edge on a Sharpmaker stick.
Whatever you do, don't overdo it.

max6166 · **Reply #12 on:** January 24, 2009, 10:47:05 PM

Quote from: kwakster on January 24, 2009, 02:13:55 PM

Quote from: max6166 on January 23, 2009, 08:44:22 PM
The liner lock for the PE blade on my Wave is faulty too. It doesn't come out far enough to fully engage the back of the blade. The rest of them are fine though.

Just file an itsy bitsy from the back of the blade where it rests on the toolframe, that should do the trick without dissassembly of the tool.
Use a piece of sandpaper wrapped around a thin piece of wood, or even better, the edge on a Sharpmaker stick.
Whatever you do, don't overdo it.

Thank you very much for the tip, Kwakster!

Leatherman123 · **Reply #13 on:** April 10, 2009, 05:14:08 AM

More Charge quality control issues! I got a TTi in the mail today; the plier head pivot can be turned with a finger, all four liner locks have up and down play, and the S30v blade has an uneven grind! LM really has to do something with their QC.. Enough is enough, I will also love LM, but something needs to give!

RaptorMan · **Reply #14 on:** April 10, 2009, 05:33:15 AM

I am a Quality Engineer for a seating company (not joking) I will offer my services to Leatherman

duckman1975 · **Reply #15 on:** April 10, 2009, 05:43:47 AM

When I got my Charge Ti as a gift brand new, the blade doesn't have any play at all its very solid but after 2 years of heavy use it has an up and down play very little no side to side play at all. My guess is its part of wear and tear, I don't have much experience with quality liner locks but in my opinion all liner lock after very prolonged and heavy use will have some kind of play.

Benner · **Reply #16 on:** April 10, 2009, 11:28:10 AM

Quote from: duckman1975 on April 10, 2009, 05:43:47 AM

When I got my Charge Ti as a gift brand new, the blade doesn't have any play at all its very solid but after 2 years of heavy use it has an up and down play very little no side to side play at all. My guess is its part of wear and tear, I don't have much experience with quality liner locks but in my opinion all liner lock after very prolonged and heavy use will have some kind of play.

Really, there should be no play whatsoever on a liner lock and I personally wouldn't use one that had any vertical play and get it fixed.

I have never had any play on any liner locking blade apart from on an Original Wave.

duckman1975 · **Reply #17 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:34:06 PM

Quote from: Benner on April 10, 2009, 11:28:10 AM

Quote from: duckman1975 on April 10, 2009, 05:43:47 AM
When I got my Charge Ti as a gift brand new, the blade doesn't have any play at all its very solid but after 2 years of heavy use it has an up and down play very little no side to side play at all. My guess is its part of wear and tear, I don't have much experience with quality liner locks but in my opinion all liner lock after very prolonged and heavy use will have some kind of play.

Really, there should be no play whatsoever on a liner lock and I personally wouldn't use one that had any vertical play and get it fixed.

I have never had any play on any liner locking blade apart from on an Original Wave.

Does my Charge's play (its just a little) covered by its warranty?

Benner · **Reply #18 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:46:21 PM

Quote from: duckman1975 on April 10, 2009, 06:34:06 PM

Quote from: Benner on April 10, 2009, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: duckman1975 on April 10, 2009, 05:43:47 AM
When I got my Charge Ti as a gift brand new, the blade doesn't have any play at all its very solid but after 2 years of heavy use it has an up and down play very little no side to side play at all. My guess is its part of wear and tear, I don't have much experience with quality liner locks but in my opinion all liner lock after very prolonged and heavy use will have some kind of play.

Really, there should be no play whatsoever on a liner lock and I personally wouldn't use one that had any vertical play and get it fixed.

I have never had any play on any liner locking blade apart from on an Original Wave.
Does my Charge's play (its just a little) covered by its warranty?

I'd say so as I would classify that as a fault.

Kwakster is the man that'll know.

kwakster · **Reply #19 on:** April 10, 2009, 07:51:53 PM

Problem with these things is that most maintenance guys will see this as being anal about something that's really not that important (to them i must add,).
Don't forget that for most of these guys multitool maintenance is just work, nothing else.

However, in the parallel universe of multitool and knife aficionados it's a completely different ballgame, which is also the reason why i arranged for a few sets of maintenance tools to go to the right guys in our own community.
In many cases they are the ones that can service your tool with the proper TLC (i hope this statement isn't out of bounds,

)

Personally i think that the top of the liner is worn, and it all depends on how much if changing the blade for a new one will help.
A good maintence guy will check this first, and if this doesn't work, he'll need to exchange the complete leg and then rebuild all items in it.

If i were you i would send it in, as in time it's only going to get worse.
But make sure you attach a note to the tool on which you state the problem and it's importance to you.

Leatherman123 · **Reply #20 on:** April 10, 2009, 07:54:16 PM

I just returned it.. I bought it online, and I went to the store; and I just exchanged it!

duckman1975 · **Reply #21 on:** April 11, 2009, 12:05:49 AM

Quote from: Benner on April 10, 2009, 06:46:21 PM

Quote from: duckman1975 on April 10, 2009, 06:34:06 PM
Quote from: Benner on April 10, 2009, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: duckman1975 on April 10, 2009, 05:43:47 AM
When I got my Charge Ti as a gift brand new, the blade doesn't have any play at all its very solid but after 2 years of heavy use it has an up and down play very little no side to side play at all. My guess is its part of wear and tear, I don't have much experience with quality liner locks but in my opinion all liner lock after very prolonged and heavy use will have some kind of play.

Really, there should be no play whatsoever on a liner lock and I personally wouldn't use one that had any vertical play and get it fixed.

I have never had any play on any liner locking blade apart from on an Original Wave.
Does my Charge's play (its just a little) covered by its warranty?

I'd say so as I would classify that as a fault.

Kwakster is the man that'll know.

Thanks ben.

Quote from: kwakster on April 10, 2009, 07:51:53 PM

Problem with these things is that most maintenance guys will see this as being anal about something that's really not that important (to them i must add,).
Don't forget that for most of these guys multitool maintenance is just work, nothing else.

However, in the parallel universe of multitool and knife aficionados it's a completely different ballgame, which is also the reason why i arranged for a few sets of maintenance tools to go to the right guys in our own community.
In many cases they are the ones that can service your tool with the proper TLC (i hope this statement isn't out of bounds, )

Personally i think that the top of the liner is worn, and it all depends on how much if changing the blade for a new one will help.
A good maintence guy will check this first, and if this doesn't work, he'll need to exchange the complete leg and then rebuild all items in it.

If i were you i would send it in, as in time it's only going to get worse.
But make sure you attach a note to the tool on which you state the problem and it's importance to you.

Thanks Kwakster, you are spot on when you say that the warranty guys must think I'm anal, thats one of the reason I'm afraid to send my tools for warranty repairs. Plus the fact that I live here in the Philippines and bought all my tools on line so local maintenance I guess is out of the question. Could I send it directly to the States it would cost me around 26 dollars but I guess they would shoulder the return USPS.

DaveK · **Reply #22 on:** April 11, 2009, 12:10:50 AM

Quote from: RaptorMan on April 10, 2009, 05:33:15 AM

I am a Quality Engineer for a seating company (not joking) I will offer my services to Leatherman

So, basically you just sit on your arse all day then? Cool job.

About the topic, I've seen any of the problems that you have with Charges Nikko - but then again, I've ever had 10

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