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October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge

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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1320 on: November 30, 2023, 05:29:06 AM
Badge awarded good Sir  :salute: (nice to see the Compact earning its keep  ;))
Thank you kind Sir :hatsoff:


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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1321 on: November 30, 2023, 11:20:49 AM
Great job!
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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1322 on: November 30, 2023, 03:45:13 PM
After 60 days I am going to have challenge withdrawal!


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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1323 on: November 30, 2023, 03:52:06 PM
 
After 60 days I am going to have challenge withdrawal!

I know what you mean!

I will have a few days more to complete because of flight travel midway through.

You can join me😉

Other challenges I found the need to followup and share for a few days  to maintain sanity.
If I start and end the day above ground, it is a good day!

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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1324 on: November 30, 2023, 04:55:40 PM
   Best. (edc, pliers based) Multitool. Ever. I’m going to write a reflection on this month like usual, but I wanted to get that out of the way to start. I did the PST challenge last year, and I remember being confused by why anyone would ever carry one, let alone how it started a whole company. Maybe PBMTs just weren’t for me? I tried a couple other Leathermans. I keep a Supertool 300 in my camper, and I like that it does EVERYTHING and is indestructible, but I’d never want to carry it to work. Too heavy, not actually convenient to use, too many “extra” tools to sort through that just clutter things up. I got a couple Gerbers, and I liked them a bit better. The tools are a little more accessible, but they weren’t as nice as I was used to on an SAK. Also, stubby little drivers. I got a cheap SOG or two. They were outside accessible, which was nice, but also not as good quality. And it was hard to find the exact implement combo I wanted. I looked at Swisstools a few times, but they were so expensive, and I didn’t like the other PBMTs I tried, so I didn’t want to spend the money (I only have so many boxes and drawers that I can stash extra/backup/just ok tools in before it feels wasteful) and get burned again.

   Then the combo edge challenge happened earlier this year and everyone ranted about how much they loved the butterblade. And I found out they’d been discontinued. And then Barry posted this thread. So, I said if I could find a good price on one, I’d give it a shot. Wessaen :hatsoff: posted a deal on DLT (full kit with CS and bits for less than a base Spirit usually was), and that was it. I’m glad he did. This thing has been a joy to carry, and I’m probably going to wind up trying an MX and a regular Swisstool whenever I find a similar deal on them. Maybe the mini ratchet set too. The corkscrew is cool, and very Vic, but I think the ratchet set would be more practical.

   Pluses:

ALL OUTSIDE ACCESSIBLE NON CLUMPING TOOLS- I’m sure I’ll go buy something that isn’t anyway (he said while looking at MP600 variants on ebay) but I really feel like this should basically be non-negotiable at this point. Adding the extra steps of flipping open the tool and doing the clump/fan dance just makes it a pain in the butt to actually do anything. When I’m actually working on something, I don’t mind too bad. Gotta take the saw out of the ST300 to saw a branch at camp? No big deal. But for the little day to day, loose screw/trim something/jammed gadget type things that I actually carry a multitool for, it’s not worth the effort.

QUALITY TOOLS (that do more than one thing, and that you actually need): Thank you, Carl Elsner (and Vic development team),  for not putting an internal lanyard ring or a bit driver for eyeglass screwdrivers, or 5 different sizes of screwdriver with no secondary function. I think 4 or 5 tools on a handle are about the max that a tool can practically accommodate. Which means that Vic can’t cram quite as many tools in as some other companies do. But, like an SAK, a lot of those tools pull double duty. Most of them are tried and test (opener/SD) but we do get the new awl with a hook. It’s… odd, but not unusable.

FIT AND FINISH: Vic’s is the best in the business. The Spirit is made to their standards. It’s really nice to not have to fight to actually get an implement out of a tool. The only one that isn’t butter smooth is the scissors.

   Minuses:

NO RULER: I get that the curved handles make it challenging, but it’s kind of weird not to have a ruler on a PBMT. It’s not a big deal, but I wish they could’ve found a way to do it. (Three same side” saw teeth are about .9cm for guestimate purposes). Maybe they could put it on the…

SLIGHTLY AWKWARD EXTERNAL BIT WRENCH: I wish they could’ve found a way to make this fit in the corkscrew slot or maybe attach to a screwdriver like the Leatherman one. I appreciate that I got a little wrench with a bit kit, but the rest of the tool seems so well thought out, and it’s just kind of there. If nothing else, this’d be a fair spot to add that ruler…

SIZE: This thing is a little bit of a pocket anchor. I had to take it out one day since I couldn’t sit with it comfortably. I wish we could get more tools closer to the original PST form factor these days. Fine in pouch carry, and I don’t mind dropping it in my pocket if I’ll need it. Otherwise, I think the Ol’ 91-93 form factor still reigns supreme. Gotta try it with a clip at some point, I guess.

FILE and SCISSORS: Are sometimes kind of rough. I’ve scraped myself on the file a few times. Overall, I think the advantages of outside opening outweighs this. Not sure if there could be a way to design the file to avoid this. The scissors can be a nail breaker.

   Tool Specific Comments:

Most of the tools are identical, or very close to, their traditional 91mm equivalents, so I’m not going down the whole line on both handles. I do want to call out a couple that are a bit more unique or interesting.

AWL/HOOK: This is just a weird combination. It’s (mostly) ok in practice, but I don’t really want a pointy blade dangling on my grocery bags. Also, I wish there was a way to have the hook make a T-handle like it does in the 91s. Aside from that, the awl is fine. I could take or leave the sewing eye, but it’s good at awl the actual awl jobs. Not used as a beater blade as much as on SAKs, because of the…

CHISEL: Standout, and most used tool this month. I love having a sharpish little not-quite-blade to abuse and open packages with. Slightly nicer than the LM equivalent, IMO. I think I’d rather have this than the package opener we got on the 91s.

SCISSORS: I was iffy on these at first, but I think I might actually like them more than the 91s. They feel so sturdy on tougher materials. The rounded tips are a plus sometimes and a minus others. Mine is a little iffy on deployment, but not too bad. Anyone else notice that?

BUTTER BLADE: This is it! The main event! Like everyone else, I love the butter blade. It somehow cuts like it’s serrated and not serrated at the same time in all the best ways. I’ve talked before about how much I love weird stockmans with serrated sheepsfoots (sheepsfeet?), and I still love the blade style. That said, I think it’s better as a secondary blade, and I’d prefer a more traditional drop point if I’m only going to have one. Sometimes you need a pointy blade. The awl can step in here, but that’s not always convenient. All in all 10/10 blade, but maybe a 7/10 as the only blade.

So glad that I hopped on this one. It’s nice to have found a PBMT that I’m actually interested in carrying day to day. Thanks to Barry for hosting, and everyone else for joining in. If anyone is interested, I’ll be over on the General Board for a SAK-A-Like/Knockoff Challenge next month. Carrying a Victorinox Leatherman made me want to carry a Leatherman Swiss Army knife. Otherwise, have fun with the Executives. I’ll probably still have mine on my keys anyway.


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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1325 on: November 30, 2023, 06:52:15 PM
Great write up BP!   :iagree:

The biggest reason I carry a Swisstool RS at work is because of the ruler.  I use it quite a bit on my job and it's handy to have it right there with me instead of on a separate piece of equipment.   I've looked and tried to figure out how to adapt a ruler to the Spirit without carrying a tape measure with no luck.  Definitely a shortcoming in my book too.

 
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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1326 on: November 30, 2023, 07:50:50 PM
Very insightful comments,  BP! Agree with what you wrote. I missed out on the DLT pricing and kick myself for not jumping at similar deals at Cutlery Shoppe last year too. Oh well...I still managed to scooping one up for a decent price anyway.


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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1327 on: November 30, 2023, 08:49:28 PM
What does everyone think of the one hand opening Spirits vs the regular ones?
Barry


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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1328 on: November 30, 2023, 09:21:41 PM
Day 31 + 27 = 58

Scissors  :ahhh

A week ago Monday I had a surgical procedure completed on my right foot.  The challenge has been to keep it dry!!! 

I had follow up appointment Monday past, was commended on keeping the bandages dry, and after inspection of the wound, a new bandage wrapped the foot again 🙁 for another week.

It is still dry, but almost not. I double bag, and the last shower the outer bag  did not seal around my c  as of tight enough and the bag filled with water. The inner bag (bread bag) held tight.  :tu:

My grand daughter offered a brilliant idea last night, place the bags as I have been,  wrap tight, then place a couple wraps of plastic wrap (suran wrap, cling wrap)  at the top. Creating a tight scarf.

It worked. 👍🤩

The Spirit’s scissors were used to cut two strips to do the job.  And no wrap was wasted.

 
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A few mor showers till next appointment, and hopefully no more bandage wrap 😉
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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1329 on: November 30, 2023, 09:47:06 PM
Bonus, chisel tool freeing contents of package delivered and notified that it was sitting on front porch.

 
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Good thing i was home, it was placed on the bench, very easy to see and could hear it come get me.  One step more could have set down by door out of view from any passers.
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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1330 on: November 30, 2023, 09:55:42 PM
Outstanding idea LC!  Your granddaughter is a sharp thinker.  We've been through the surgeries up here and the orders are to awlways keep the dressing dry :facepalm:  Next time I'm getting some shrink wrap!

+1 on the package delivery  :rant:
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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1331 on: November 30, 2023, 10:12:09 PM
What does everyone think of the one hand opening Spirits vs the regular ones?
I had thought about ordering such a model and a pocket clip.

After reviewing the implements and cost, I decided no, no an advantage for me.
The  models I have, I found I could open just fine if my nails were trimmed properly.

The clips, I still on the fence. 
Just can not make my mind up🙄.   Do I want a Black clip on Stainless to or Stainless on Stainless. Or order two clips, one of each and install on ea ch tool to tell whether it’s spear point or butter blade, then which tool gets id’d with which clip. 
 :facepalm:  Ya see, now I have a headache..,


PS:  my first Zippo, this just kept calling out each time I saw it. Plus a butane insert…
 
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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1332 on: November 30, 2023, 11:27:42 PM
Nice write ups guys :like: :tu:
Cool looking Zippo LC


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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1333 on: December 01, 2023, 01:00:19 AM
 :iagree: and welcome to the Zippo Club LC!  I have a couple.  They're a lot of fun! 

I was in the same position OHO wise.  I came very close to pulling the trigger on one, but I love my Butterblade.  I learned all about leaving little nail with my Swisstool  :facepalm:
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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1334 on: December 01, 2023, 01:17:20 AM
PS:  my first Zippo, this just kept calling out each time I saw it. Plus a butane insert…
LoopCutter, it's so funny to see the things you're into, mainly because I'm into those things too.....Vagabond, Zippo and PSTs to name a few.  :salute:
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.


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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1335 on: December 01, 2023, 01:52:04 AM
LoopCutter, it's so funny to see the things you're into, mainly because I'm into those things  tools .....Vagabond, Zippo and PSTs to name a few.  :salute:

Thank you, this is my first Zippo.  My dad carried one, and I lost track how many times he sent it in to have the lid hinge repaired.   It HAD A HUNTER/dog taking aim on a Pheasant until it wore off.

IIRC your collection is a bit more in depth than I could imagine.   
Yes, the Vagabond is one of my favorites. 

Now my son (younger) has a collection of Zippo lighters.  Have not seen it in a long while, maybe 15 years, knowing he has added to it since. Also, he has an assortment of  pinball machines he has restored.

BUT, I will accept the compliment from you anyways.
With my sincerest respect.
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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1336 on: December 01, 2023, 01:56:19 AM
Day 60
Picture of the 2 Spirits used throughout the Challenge.  I love the black color and oho, but really prefer the butter blade and having saw.  Either way this challenge just confirmed the Spirit is my favorite plier based MT,  but a regular 2-4 layer SAK is still my favorite edc.


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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1337 on: December 01, 2023, 02:07:45 AM
Congratulations Sherry and I agree.  The Spirit is one of incredible multitool! 
Day 60
Picture of the 2 Spirits used throughout the Challenge.  I love the black color and oho, but really prefer the butter blade and having saw.  Either way this challenge just confirmed the Spirit is my favorite plier based MT,  but a regular 2-4 layer SAK is still my favorite edc.
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Reply #1338 on: December 01, 2023, 02:12:37 AM
:iagree: +1

The butterblade is so unique and compliments a PE blade so well as we’ve been discussing


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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1339 on: December 01, 2023, 03:17:39 AM
I’m out. Sorry, I was dealing with a pet illness. There were days I carried nothing. Nice to see so many still trucking along.


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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1340 on: December 01, 2023, 04:21:49 AM
I understand Roc.  We're dealing with canine seizures right now with our female Sheepdog.  I hope yours is doing better. 
I’m out. Sorry, I was dealing with a pet illness. There were days I carried nothing. Nice to see so many still trucking along.
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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1341 on: December 01, 2023, 05:21:02 AM
I had thought about ordering such a model and a pocket clip.

After reviewing the implements and cost, I decided no, no an advantage for me.
The  models I have, I found I could open just fine if my nails were trimmed properly.

The clips, I still on the fence. 
Just can not make my mind up.   Do I want a Black clip on Stainless to or Stainless on Stainless. Or order two clips, one of each and install on ea ch tool to tell whether it’s spear point or butter blade, then which tool gets id’d with which clip. 
 :facepalm:  Ya see, now I have a headache..,


PS:  my first Zippo, this just kept calling out each time I saw it. Plus a butane insert…
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I do like the pocket clip but agree on the oho not being that beneficial. 

Welcome to the Zippo club.  I have several Zippos, mostly Navy ship.  Never carried until I got butane inserts and now almost always have one in my pocket

I’m out. Sorry, I was dealing with a pet illness. There were days I carried nothing. Nice to see so many still trucking along.
I understand Roc.  We're dealing with canine seizures right now with our female Sheepdog.  I hope yours is doing better.
I hope the pets get better


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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1342 on: December 01, 2023, 06:03:53 AM
I do like the pocket clip but agree on the oho not being that beneficial. 

Welcome to the Zippo club.  I have several Zippos, mostly Navy ship.  Never carried until I got butane inserts and now almost always have one in my pocket
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Thank you Sherry,  I recalled another conversation you  shared your pleasure and experience about Zippos and the butane inserts.So I knew when I found a design that I liked, I would get the insert.  Research also led me to the single torch as the better performer.

So, actually I was following your advise from way back…😉
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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1343 on: December 01, 2023, 09:22:38 AM
Day 31 + 26 = 57

Chilly day, and I made the decision to not venture out into the cold, instead research; for gifts, for escrow accounts, and  try to learn about the BUTTER BLADE.

Made progress on first two items.   I feel information about the butter blade is not out there.

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SAKWiki had the model numbers for the Spirit and did learn a model was made with BOTH a drop point and butter blade.  Spirit S - 3.0223 (no scissors) and disappeared  in 2017.

The model I have pictured is the Spirit XC - 3.0227 and was discontinued in 2019/2020.

The other model I have is a Drop Point with scissors Spirit  X - 3.0224


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Yet no explanation as to why the unique butter blade serrated blade.   Vic does nice serrated blades, I have a OHT and SE Spartan.  Both are cutters.
My only thought, was it to enhance cheese and meat slicing for picnics!?!?
But if so, why not an integrated cork screw.🙄

Anyone have ideas or info.  I am still new to the Victorinox  and Wenger world and I was not into MTs in 2004 when the Spirit was introduced.

Oh my, my brain hurts…😩


Wait...if I understand correctly, is the question why butter blade exist in the first place?  Or why did they choose to do the butter blade, when they could do a spear-pointed serrated blade (like the one on SE spartan) perfectly well?

I am not affiliated with Vic, but I remembered having a similar question about the 111mm one-handed blade trekker with a shopkeeper in Europe.  It was made such way that it could compile well with the local law.  And I would imagine maybe the decision of making a non-pointy butter blade may also cope better with certain law in different parts of the world?
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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1344 on: December 01, 2023, 09:40:46 AM
What does everyone think of the one hand opening Spirits vs the regular ones?

I have been dreaming to attempt a one-handed mod for Spirit for the longest time, after seeing the original post from J-sews back in 2007.  He went a great distance to create a custom blade for Spirit, just so it could be opened one-handed.

So imagine my excitement when I first see the one-handed Spirit via the MXBS and the later MX version.  I really do think they do a pretty good job on the wing-tab, and it is so easy to operate that it could be done even with heavy gloves.


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Reply #1345 on: December 01, 2023, 01:53:01 PM
Wait...if I understand correctly, is the question why butter blade exist in the first place?  Or why did they choose to do the butter blade, when they could do a spear-pointed serrated blade (like the one on SE spartan) perfectly well?

I am not affiliated with Vic, but I remembered having a similar question about the 111mm one-handed blade trekker with a shopkeeper in Europe.  It was made such way that it could compile well with the local law.  And I would imagine maybe the decision of making a non-pointy butter blade may also cope better with certain law in different parts of the world?

Yes, and Yes again!

The Spear point  SE is great  IMHO!   Thinking that the Spirit started with a Spear Point PE that would be logical.  But, it appears the Spirit was made with a Spear Point PE AND a  2nd blade that was the Butter blade without the saw.     I never saw that version, if I had did  I would most likely have bought it.

The knife law idea is interesting, as the Combo edge design on the OHTrekker is unique, with the SE at the tip of the blade, you can now easily cut the finger completely OFF instead of a simple smooth slice to the bone. 🤪

I also, discovered Victorinox  did  call the  blade out as a SERRATED Sheep foot blade.   

Possible the tool was intended to trim Sheep’s hoof, and the SE to provide contrast sculpting.😉

Regardless, it was genius, imo, as the blade performs  so well.  Just glad I got mine before the model was discontinued.   It is a hardy blade and the deep scallops make say work slicing any material it may encounter.

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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1346 on: December 01, 2023, 02:34:35 PM
Day 31 + 28 = 59

One more day to end this marathon.

I thought best to share my thoughts while an audience may yet be reviewing…

Why 60 days?   Why not?, already completed the 30 day Challenge with the then brand new Butter Blade Spirit.  60 days, I am crazy…  yet I stuck with it, tried to walk away when a trip occurred mid way, but could not, I like to finish what I start.

 
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This is a beautiful tool, not to be tucked away in a tool box drawer, a tool chest, a dresser drawer, but to be on display in a museum or art gallery.  It is just to pretty to be utilized in a work environment with dirt and grease, dust , grit, metal shavings, wood dust, grime etc.

But, it does work in the midst of all the crap we have to work each day.  Wipe it off and it looks just as good as it it did before, day in day out.

I  thought hard why this tool should not be my number one MT.   And, I could not 🥺

The last 30 days, (why 60 is best), I quit thinking what to try, instead I just used what I thought would give me the results.  And each time it did the job. The scissors never let me down, the Funny looking butter blade cut what ever, the AWL, created pilot holes with no effort, the Phillips driver fit into every Phillips screw head, and that chisel blade, delivered on each crazy trick I applied it against.

And, it did the job, look good doing it, and even looked better when completed what ever.  Admiration to Victorinox for the Spirit’s design.

A Cinderella of the MT world.   Charming, pleasant, will doing what ever asked, and then appear absolutely stunning when done and ready for the next task.

 
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A look at my tool with my favorite implements.

Now, many here know I am a LM fan, the REBAR my favorite, a ST300 for HD tasks, will I abandon them and make the Spirit my go to tool.  NO!!!

But, the Spirit will see much more duty in the future.

I recall a scene from several years ago right after the Spirit arrived.  Two grandsons, maybe 10 and 11 yrs of age, were visiting, and inspecting my knives, (a common interest we share), S saw the Spirit, and picked it up and looked over, exposing the pliers, made some comments with eyes wide open.  His cousin O, looked at what he was excited about, look it over as well, then in unison both said, “it is not a LEATHERMAN!” and laid it down. 

Well this oldster has changed his mind.   Fortunately, I have two, now to decide which one will go to which of these two boys🤓

If I start and end the day above ground, it is a good day!

Hope yours is as good!

A SMART man always knows what to say!
   A WISE man knows whether or not to say it!!!


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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1347 on: December 01, 2023, 03:25:02 PM
Day 31 + 28 = 59

One more day to end this marathon.

I thought best to share my thoughts while an audience may yet be reviewing…

Why 60 days?   Why not?, already completed the 30 day Challenge with the then brand new Butter Blade Spirit.  60 days, I am crazy…  yet I stuck with it, tried to walk away when a trip occurred mid way, but could not, I like to finish what I start.

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This is a beautiful tool, not to be tucked away in a tool box drawer, a tool chest, a dresser drawer, but to be on display in a museum or art gallery.  It is just to pretty to be utilized in a work environment with dirt and grease, dust , grit, metal shavings, wood dust, grime etc.

But, it does work in the midst of all the crap we have to work each day.  Wipe it off and it looks just as good as it it did before, day in day out.

I  thought hard why this tool should not be my number one MT.   And, I could not 🥺

The last 30 days, (why 60 is best), I quit thinking what to try, instead I just used what I thought would give me the results.  And each time it did the job. The scissors never let me down, the Funny looking butter blade cut what ever, the AWL, created pilot holes with no effort, the Phillips driver fit into every Phillips screw head, and that chisel blade, delivered on each crazy trick I applied it against.

And, it did the job, look good doing it, and even looked better when completed what ever.  Admiration to Victorinox for the Spirit’s design.

A Cinderella of the MT world.   Charming, pleasant, will doing what ever asked, and then appear absolutely stunning when done and ready for the next task.

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A look at my tool with my favorite implements.

Now, many here know I am a LM fan, the REBAR my favorite, a ST300 for HD tasks, will I abandon them and make the Spirit my go to tool.  NO!!!

But, the Spirit will see much more duty in the future.

I recall a scene from several years ago right after the Spirit arrived.  Two grandsons, maybe 10 and 11 yrs of age, were visiting, and inspecting my knives, (a common interest we share), S saw the Spirit, and picked it up and looked over, exposing the pliers, made some comments with eyes wide open.  His cousin O, looked at what he was excited about, look it over as well, then in unison both said, “it is not a LEATHERMAN!” and laid it down. 

Well this oldster has changed his mind.   Fortunately, I have two, now to decide which one will go to which of these two boys🤓


So many good writeups to wrap up this challenge! :like:

My first MT was a LM PST and I still remembered all the good memories I had using it.  Later on I upgraded to Wave and Charge and continued with them for many, many years.  Not until I found this forum that Vic MT starts to peak my interest, and eventually I see them as equals (at least I see more sentimental value in LM, but appreciate the precision of Vic more).

Embedded in these two major brands of MT are completely two school of thoughts, LM gives me the impression that it has a 'prepper' mindset, which they try to have a solution to each problem (with different bits and adapter), while Vic adheres to it's MacGyver school of thoughts, it doesn't want to solve all the problems there are, but trying to address it well 80% of the time.  The other 20% you just have to improvise it.  At least, that's my 2 cents worth of thoughts. ;)

I am seeing a lot innovation from LM camp, with all the Free platform tech and the Vic also took a very positive step forward by introducing the wing-tab to their MTs.  As being knife and tool enthusiast, there really is no better time to live than this.   :woohoo:


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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1348 on: December 01, 2023, 03:51:24 PM
 :like:  your take on LM and Vic.

Yet, I credit Tim Leatherman for be the innovator, creating the tool, being passionate to get to public and improved his dream to be accepted by the world.

Victorinox, saw  the product, made a similar product, then improved upon it,  and stuck to the same design for a long period with only minor tweaks.  A product that looked good and worked.

LM kept making tweaks, new products, have had a lull and now are introducing products that  do what previous models did, but look good as well.

I see Vic as placing quality and precision into the product, and charge accordingly.

LM, is trying for innovation,  with  flash, but lacking precision.   
If I start and end the day above ground, it is a good day!

Hope yours is as good!

A SMART man always knows what to say!
   A WISE man knows whether or not to say it!!!


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Re: October Spirits a Haunting 60 Day Challenge
Reply #1349 on: December 01, 2023, 04:48:44 PM
Exactly!!! 
Day 31 + 28 = 59

One more day to end this marathon.

I thought best to share my thoughts while an audience may yet be reviewing…

Why 60 days?   Why not?, already completed the 30 day Challenge with the then brand new Butter Blade Spirit.  60 days, I am crazy…  yet I stuck with it, tried to walk away when a trip occurred mid way, but could not, I like to finish what I start.

  [ Quoting of attachment images from other messages is not allowed ]  

This is a beautiful tool, not to be tucked away in a tool box drawer, a tool chest, a dresser drawer, but to be on display in a museum or art gallery.  It is just to pretty to be utilized in a work environment with dirt and grease, dust , grit, metal shavings, wood dust, grime etc.

But, it does work in the midst of all the crap we have to work each day.  Wipe it off and it looks just as good as it it did before, day in day out.

I  thought hard why this tool should not be my number one MT.   And, I could not 🥺

The last 30 days, (why 60 is best), I quit thinking what to try, instead I just used what I thought would give me the results.  And each time it did the job. The scissors never let me down, the Funny looking butter blade cut what ever, the AWL, created pilot holes with no effort, the Phillips driver fit into every Phillips screw head, and that chisel blade, delivered on each crazy trick I applied it against.

And, it did the job, look good doing it, and even looked better when completed what ever.  Admiration to Victorinox for the Spirit’s design.

A Cinderella of the MT world.   Charming, pleasant, will doing what ever asked, and then appear absolutely stunning when done and ready for the next task.

  [ Quoting of attachment images from other messages is not allowed ]  
A look at my tool with my favorite implements.

Now, many here know I am a LM fan, the REBAR my favorite, a ST300 for HD tasks, will I abandon them and make the Spirit my go to tool.  NO!!!

But, the Spirit will see much more duty in the future.

I recall a scene from several years ago right after the Spirit arrived.  Two grandsons, maybe 10 and 11 yrs of age, were visiting, and inspecting my knives, (a common interest we share), S saw the Spirit, and picked it up and looked over, exposing the pliers, made some comments with eyes wide open.  His cousin O, looked at what he was excited about, look it over as well, then in unison both said, “it is not a LEATHERMAN!” and laid it down. 

Well this oldster has changed his mind.   Fortunately, I have two, now to decide which one will go to which of these two boys🤓
Barry


 

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