New to the forum, so Greetings Everyone! I also have an obscure sharpening Q.

[WoodButcher]

Hello all, new to the forum but not to the knives! I've managed to collect a can of them over the years but I consider myself more of an "accumulator" than a collector as I've carried and used most of my knives at some point.

Anyway, I recently decided to get a Victorinox "Hunter" model with the small serrated "gutting blade". The knife is an older model from the looks of the handle scales and I need to sharpen that serrated little blade. What I am wondering is if anyone knows what the exact radius is for the serrations? All my rods and slip stones appear to be too large when I size them up under a magnifying glass so haven't removed any metal yet. Anyway, if I could trouble someone who might have some literature that says what radius to use or a link to a Victorinox help line I'd greatly appreciate it!

I don't want to sound too windy for a first post, but in a nutshell I'm trying to get a little more minimalistic here with all the crap I carry when deer hunting and am curious how well this one blade actually works used to use a "wyoming" knife for this cut and now use a havalon with a gut hook blade which works great but the kit is rather bulky). Anyway thanks for letting me on the forum and any assistance helping me find a properly sized sharpener would be greatly appreciated!

[LoopCutter]

Welcome to 

I am sure I do not know the answer you seek, as I have never ever had to sharpen any Victorinox Serrated blade on any knife.

Can you share a picture of the knife and blade in question?   

I try think I have the knife you ask about, with a curve serrated blade called a gut knife on mine and same blade maybe called the seatbelt knife on another tool.

Welcome again!   (If you have not noticed, we like pictures!!!😉

[Luke Walker]

Welcome WoodButcher!

My tip for sharpening serrations is to mark the edge with a sharpie (or any other permanent marker). Then use a conical sharpening tool and work step by step until you remove the marking you just made. That way you know how far you can go with your conical file.

Basically like that:
https://youtu.be/g_z7gk_pVD4

Have you checked out Felix Immler's video about sharpening serrated blades? He uses the Victorinox sharpener.
https://youtu.be/EeZSe8aT4Xs

[Huntsman]

Felix is a phenomena - Eh?     So thorough

How does he fit all this into his life!!   

[Huntsman]

And welcome Wood Butcher - Good question 

- I always use the Vic 'pen' sharpener - Although not as precisely as Felix!!

[Swisster]

have those videos been sanctioned for use on here ? Slipjoint Sawyer attempted to post videos and was given the run around and told he would have to pay to post his SAK videos and his channel is a treasure of SAK's. He doesn't even come on this forum because of they way he was treated and I can't blame him.

[MadPlumbarian]

Welcome aboard!
JR

[SteveC]

have those videos been sanctioned for use on here ? Slipjoint Sawyer attempted to post videos and was given the run around and told he would have to pay to post his SAK videos and his channel is a treasure of SAK's. He doesn't even come on this forum because of they way he was treated and I can't blame him.

SlipjointSawyers videos contained monetized links to his channel. There was no run around given and he was treated no different than anyone else who tries to advertise for free on this forum. It is a small thing to ask for a paid subscription to help fund this forum. It costs the owner a lot to keep the lights on and only fair that people don't use this forum to make money. It would also be unfair to the people who do pay to advertise.

We can't control members posting videos of other peoples channels but we do draw the line at self promotion.

[Grant Lamontagne]

Steve beat me to it, and I should probably leave it at that, but, well, I've already typed it all out!

have those videos been sanctioned for use on here ? Slipjoint Sawyer attempted to post videos and was given the run around and told he would have to pay to post his SAK videos and his channel is a treasure of SAK's. He doesn't even come on this forum because of they way he was treated and I can't blame him.

I don't want to derail this thread but, I would like to quickly address this so that we don't have any hard feelings.

This forum costs money to run.

In fact, all forums cost money to run.

We pay not just for servers, and the technical stuff, but also for many tools and knives for review, various giveaways and we pay up front for any and all merchandise. 

When folks come here to share their videos on Youtube (or wherever) they are also making money, and using the forum to make more money.

We allow this for a lot of users, and ask only that they offer back a small fee to help support the community they are profiting from.  It's pretty cheap, because I don't believe in taking advantage of people.  All they have to do is go to the Paid Subscription part of their user accounts and select it- they can pay monthly if they just want to post for a bit, or they can pay annually if they want to save some money and are in it for the long haul.

If they don't think that our membership is worth giving back to, then I have serious doubts about whether they are really Multitool.org members at heart.  But, in the end, the choice is entirely theirs.

So, if you think the Mods and Admins are heavy handed and unfair, remember, they are volunteering their time and energy to keep this place as awesome as it is.  Maybe there's a bigger picture about why someone was allegedly "treated badly" here.

Every website you see has someone behind the scenes that has to pay the bills somehow.  I don't think it's asking too much for the people who want to profit off someone else's efforts to give back a bit.

If anyone has any questions, my door is always open- you can send me a Private Message, get me on Facebook or Instagram, Whatsapp, call, text or email me.  I am always happy to share all the details of the inner workings of MTO to anyone who asks.

Def

[Swisster]

Felix Emmler is not making money from his videos and isn't self promotion ? REALLY ? I guess it's the pick and choose game here but people have already found that out and how it's very cliquey here and it's why so many SAK reviewers on Youtube are not fans of this forum. FACTS !!!

[Barry Rowland]

First, welcome aboard MTO!  Secondly,  with both Steve and Def.  You won't find a better, more relaxed group of mods and members than here.  Believe me, I've made the rounds and I'm still here. 

[SteveC]

Felix Emmler is not making money from his videos and isn't self promotion ? REALLY ? I guess it's the pick and choose game here but people have already found that out and how it's very cliquey here and it's why so many SAK reviewers on Youtube are not fans of this forum. FACTS !!!

I find it very odd for you to hijack a new members thread to grind an axe.   

If you want to discuss this more take it up with Grant via private message.

[Antti Lammi]

Felix Emmler is not making money from his videos and isn't self promotion ? REALLY ? I guess it's the pick and choose game here but people have already found that out and how it's very cliquey here and it's why so many SAK reviewers on Youtube are not fans of this forum. FACTS !!!

I havent seen Immler here posting own videos what most of youtubers try to do here.

Only Tools Matters

[stuntzombie]

I can't say I've ever gone through all that much effort resharpening a serrated SAK. I just use Spyderco Sharpmaker, and it gets them back to scary sharp super quick.

[WoodButcher]

My goal is to mimic as closely as possible the profile of the original serrations as I am curious how well it works for the intended use as a gutting blade. A proper design makes this one job oh so much easier, it can be somewhat messy of an endeavor otherwise, to put it mildly. Anyway, at this point I've already ordered a selection of diamond cylindrical burrs from 2mm to 6mm and will probably just use those to figure out the radius of the serrations and get an abrasive rod to match and use that to do the actual sharpening. A little bit of effort for a pretty small job but it's all wasted time if I didn't do a correct and proper sharpening job before deciding this does or doesn't work that well.

[GrouchoM]

My goal is to mimic as closely as possible the profile of the original serrations as I am curious how well it works for the intended use as a gutting blade. A proper design makes this one job oh so much easier, it can be somewhat messy of an endeavor otherwise, to put it mildly. Anyway, at this point I've already ordered a selection of diamond cylindrical burrs from 2mm to 6mm and will probably just use those to figure out the radius of the serrations and get an abrasive rod to match and use that to do the actual sharpening. A little bit of effort for a pretty small job but it's all wasted time if I didn't do a correct and proper sharpening job before deciding this does or doesn't work that well.

Best of luck and please report back your findings.

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[SteveC]

Hello all, new to the forum but not to the knives! I've managed to collect a can of them over the years but I consider myself more of an "accumulator" than a collector as I've carried and used most of my knives at some point.

Anyway, I recently decided to get a Victorinox "Hunter" model with the small serrated "gutting blade". The knife is an older model from the looks of the handle scales and I need to sharpen that serrated little blade. What I am wondering is if anyone knows what the exact radius is for the serrations? All my rods and slip stones appear to be too large when I size them up under a magnifying glass so haven't removed any metal yet. Anyway, if I could trouble someone who might have some literature that says what radius to use or a link to a Victorinox help line I'd greatly appreciate it!

I don't want to sound too windy for a first post, but in a nutshell I'm trying to get a little more minimalistic here with all the crap I carry when deer hunting and am curious how well this one blade actually works used to use a "wyoming" knife for this cut and now use a havalon with a gut hook blade which works great but the kit is rather bulky). Anyway thanks for letting me on the forum and any assistance helping me find a properly sized sharpener would be greatly appreciated!

Welcome to the forum 


Here's a link that may help

https://www.victorinox.com/en-US/Product-support/cms/product-support/

[Farmer X]

Welcome to the forum!

I've already ordered a selection of diamond cylindrical burrs from 2mm to 6mm and will probably just use those to figure out the radius of the serrations.

That's what I would have done. As Groucho says, please follow up with your findings. Hope the Hunter will do well for you!

[Enginears]

Welcome Woodbutcher, I look forward to hearing/seeing more about your sharpening, hunting and your tool use. I am like you, more of an accumulator than collector. I like to put my tools through their paces. 

[WoodButcher]

Hello again all, the set of diamond burrs finally arrived on what must be the last 4 masted sailing ship delivering freight from China. Under a brief examination with a magnifier it appears the blade serrations match a 6mm diameter profile, which for my purposes also works out to 1/4". The abrasive grit on these burrs is quite coarse, so I won't be using them here (if I did I'd epoxy one to a handle and go at it that way like a file). However I think I have a slip stone with a 1/4" profile so I'll try to dig that out over the weekend. If all works out as well I hope to set up a camera to get some macro images of the different diameters fitting into the blade serrations.

Hope everyone is having a good week!

[JowiiYoyo]

Hey there and welcome. Im a newbie to the forum aswell 

My best recommendation is one of these tapered sharpeners. It will sharpen those serrations no matter the diameter or depth of them, unless they are super wide 👀😅

[pfrsantos]

have those videos been sanctioned for use on here ? Slipjoint Sawyer attempted to post videos and was given the run around and told he would have to pay to post his SAK videos and his channel is a treasure of SAK's. He doesn't even come on this forum because of they way he was treated and I can't blame him.

Yeah, that was really mean. Just look at what SS got back, after the first (and only, by that matter) post⁽¹⁾ , where he so politely asked "Is there anywhere to post my content on here? " (immediately followed by a link to his YT page, just to save everyone's time and give quick access to that treasure trove of SAKs knowledge):

First,  hello and welcome to the forum. 

Sorry to have to pull your link, but it is in violation of our forum policies on advertising.

This is due to the affiliated links in your video's

As this is a privately owned and members funded forum we can't allow you to advertise for free here. We have members here paying for the privilege to advertise and allowing you to do so for free wouldn't be fair to them.


If you have any more questions or would like arrange options please contact Grant Lamontagne, the site owner via email.


Nice to have you with us and you can enjoy the forum and take part in the discussions, but don't advertise anymore until you've made arrangements to do so with the forum owner.

Really, Steve?! Really?!



Thanks for bringing this to my attention, Swisster. It gave me a whole new insight into this forum.



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[WoodButcher]

And here I was worried about the most controversial discussion being serrated blades vs non serrated! And for the record I really don't like serrated blades much except for specialized tasks such as this. IMHO they are always closer to a saw than of a knife so if you need to saw something it's one thing but not a clean cut like a knife.

Here are a couple ones I forged. The one on the left is 420 stainless and the one on the right was made from a coil spring from a truck.


Lastly, anyone who has ever been involved with owning a website is always trying to collect pennies to keep it going and I can't fault them for holding the line. I don't know the full story nor do I care to but hey, I've already made a donation to here last month to help out as well.

Hoping everyone is having a nice day!

[AzteCypher]

I'm with you on the serrated blades.  I've used them to cut rope and such but beyond something like that, I prefer non-serrated if I only have one blade.

I'm always impressed when someone can forge a knife from some other tool or piece of metal that was deemed for the scrapyard.  I saw a video short of someone that forged a good looking knife from a broken crescent wrench.  He left the handle as is to show what it came from.

You have an more pictures of your forging?

[Farmer X]

Like AzteCypher, I'd like to see more forged blades. It's something I consider getting into, but the lack of funds to pay the startup costs is holding me back. The two you showed look damn good!

[WoodButcher]

Unfortunately most of the forging was done back in the 35mm days so if I find some negatives at some point I can get some prints to post up but don't hold your breath. I've recently unearthed a trade knife blade that still needs a handle that I might get around to this summer. I have a daughter in art school who is getting into glass work and has been suggesting to me about coming home for a few days and we can make up a set of glass working tools, if so I'll be sure to make a complete knife start to finish and document the entire process for you guys. Meanwhile I want to sharpen these serrations LOL!

Farmer X, and anyone else interested in knifemaking, therfe is a really good book by a guy named Wayne Goddard called "The $50 knife shop" that has a ton of really good ways to make a small shop. As an example, a pretty capable forge for small knife forging is made by getting 2 forebricks (the soft brick kind) and hollowing out a pickle shaped cavity in them then making a 1/2" or so hole coming out the side of a brick and just point a propane torch in there, have to say they work pretty good! Anyway there are copies on ebay starting at $6. And you can also find the book on the web in PDF format for free. I don't like promoting what is probably pirated material but in this case I'm OK with it as I can pretty certainly guarantee that if you can look at the PDF you're gonna want to get the physical book!

Regards to all!

[mfturner]

I only mention it because no one else has, and it doesn’t sound like what you want, but if I cannot match the serrations and I really need to sharpen, I sharpen the back flat side.  It doesn’t usually take much. 

It pushes a burr over the curves, so you may need your tools to work on that…

[JowiiYoyo]

I want to add that when im lazy i will just sharpen a serrated blade like any other blade. Sure the tips of the serrations will get a bit smaller but you will have to sharpen the knife A LOT before those serrations are completely gone.

Also, i dont know what this is called in english but beeing a chef we use them in the kitchen all the time. Its something between a stone and a strop. It wont take away any metal as to make a new edge but it is hard enough as to restore the edge on a microscopic level. It works great on serrated knifes aswell. For kitchen knives i use it before every time i start cutting since this reduces the amount of actual sharpening that needs to be done. For pocket knives and multitools i tend to use it whenever i remember to. But of course any blade will have to be sharpened sooner or later with enough use.

 

[JowiiYoyo]

Some googling taught me its called a honing rod and here might be a better explanation with pictures.

[Rizio Il Ghiro]

I’ve usually heard it referred to as a steel in the UK and I regularly use one to hone my Sabatier kitchen knives which are soft enough to use it - my Miyabi knife is too hard and needs to be sharpened/honed with water stones.