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Brass Rod NOW!!! 11946

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Brass Rod NOW!!!
« on: March 05, 2009, 06:47:28 PM »
I know I sound slightly impatient... okay, monumentally impatient, but I have waited almost a year to try and get my hands on the 2.25 and 2.5mm brass rods to mod SAKs, and I have tried places in the UK, and half the states in the US with absolutely no luck. It's not like someone has them and they're just too expensive, I can't find anyone who has I them. I just need someone who says "yes, I have those, I can ship them tomorrow." If anyone can direct me to a source, I would love you forever. I did my first mod last month and frankly, I don't want to have to buy thick SAKs just to be able to reuse the rods. I sacrificed my champion, the only knife thick enough to reuse the pins (besides my Scibeer EDC and that is NEVER going to see a drill or vice again  :viking: ). So anyone want to be my hero for life and hook me up? :D UK sources are not a problem btw, as long as they can ship to the US I have no problem with that.

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No Life Club Posts: 3,785 Why is it doing that?
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2009, 06:54:45 PM »
You mean other than rotokid?
Hero Member Posts: 782
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2009, 07:05:54 PM »
    Believe it or not I found brass rod stock at a nearby hobby shop.  They had 3/32, 1/16 and 1/8 in stock in three foot lengths.  The 3/32 is almost perfect size and I simply put a piece in a drill and sanded to make it small enough for the two center pins.  Four three foot pieces just under 5 dollars.  I guess they are used by modellers for something but I just finished creating a scientist using them and it went a lot better than I expected for my first complete dissassemble and reassemble mod.  Hope this helps.
Sr. Member Posts: 276
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2009, 07:54:22 PM »
Yeah I called all my local hobby shops and they were no help. I also ordered some from Rotokid but his is American size and must to milled down, and I tried milling it for 10 minutes with no progress, so I'd really like to just get some that's ready to go. Heck, if anyone has the means to mill it down I would pay you to do that.

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Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2009, 08:49:41 PM »
McMaster Carr has packs of 2.5 and 3.0mm you can get anytime.    The 2.25mm stuff is nonexistant unobtanium.   You are pretty much stuck sanding something down.
Sr. Member Posts: 276
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2009, 10:19:26 PM »
According to google:

2.2 millimeters = 0.0866141732 in

And they sell .081in brass rod, so that's good enough for me to try, Gareth said he has a local place that sells 2.2mm and it it a negligible difference. Anyway,  :salute: :salute: :salute: to you Scibeer, I ordered what I understand to be 384 ft of brass rod, a lifetime supply, I hope :P Now I just need to get a smaller drill bit so I don't mess up anymore center bushings and I will be set for life! Thanks a million!!!  :drool:

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Multitool.org Main Site Manager Zombie Apprentice Posts: 15,287
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2009, 10:25:43 PM »
384ft  :o You'll be supplying everyone else :D

I hope you get sorted finally.  For the record, the reducing of brass stock is officially the most tedious part of modding by an order or magnitude. I hate it, hate it, hate  :bnghd:

Neil

I'm not taking any more mod orders at present, sorry.
Sr. Member Posts: 276
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2009, 11:09:04 PM »
384ft  :o You'll be supplying everyone else :D

I hope you get sorted finally.  For the record, the reducing of brass stock is officially the most tedious part of modding by an order or magnitude. I hate it, hate it, hate  :bnghd:

Neil

Precisely why I intentionally purchased the right size (and a hair under the right size), hopefully I will be spared from needing to alter it in any way to get it to work.

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Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2009, 11:43:46 PM »
Bah...wimps!

Back in the day we used to make our own pins by chewing empty brass cartridges...while walking barefoot in the snow... :D
Multitool.org Main Site Manager Zombie Apprentice Posts: 15,287
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2009, 12:07:26 AM »
Bah...wimps!(Image removed from quote.)

Back in the day we used to make our own pins by chewing empty brass cartridges...while walking barefoot in the snow... :D

You're just hard  ::)

Neil

I'm not taking any more mod orders at present, sorry.
No Life Club Posts: 3,516 Benner fan club #003
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2009, 12:25:00 AM »
...sometimes we were chased by Polar Bears too :D
No Life Club Posts: 3,785 Why is it doing that?
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2009, 01:00:38 AM »
... and those must have been the good times, cause you would force the bears to chew the brass for you... :D
No Life Club Posts: 3,516 Benner fan club #003
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2009, 01:05:08 AM »
Yeah...otherwise we would have to swallow the brass and extrude the correct diameter pinstock ourselves... ::)
No Life Club Posts: 3,785 Why is it doing that?
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2009, 01:16:39 AM »
I'll get my coat...
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 13,375 Sing, Michael, sing. On the route of the 19 Bus!
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2009, 01:56:49 AM »
According to google:

2.2 millimeters = 0.0866141732 in

And they sell .081in brass rod, so that's good enough for me to try, Gareth said he has a local place that sells 2.2mm and it it a negligible difference. Anyway,  :salute: :salute: :salute: to you Scibeer, I ordered what I understand to be 384 ft of brass rod, a lifetime supply, I hope :P Now I just need to get a smaller drill bit so I don't mess up anymore center bushings and I will be set for life! Thanks a million!!!  :drool:

384 feet  :o  I hope they cut it up before they try to deliver it.

I have no idea what size my pinstock is. Rotokid sorted me out with a selection, but I'm pretty sure I've about 4 or 5 different diameters. I don't have huge amounts of it, but I'd happily let you have a little if I have the right size Ben. I can spare enough to do an SAK or two I'm sure.

Head Turd Polisher Administrator Just Bananas Posts: 61,452 Optimum instrumentum est inter aures
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2009, 02:52:25 AM »
Bah...wimps!(Image removed from quote.)

Back in the day we used to make our own pins by chewing empty brass cartridges...while walking barefoot in the snow... :D

I think i remember that mod!  :D

Def

Leave the dents as they are- let your belongings show their scars as proudly as you do yours.
Global Moderator Just Bananas Posts: 61,314
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2009, 04:31:00 AM »
Bah...wimps!(Image removed from quote.)

Back in the day we used to make our own pins by chewing empty brass cartridges...while walking barefoot in the snow... :D

You forgot you were walking uphill in the snow barefoot :D
Sr. Member Posts: 276
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2009, 08:38:49 AM »
Thanks Dave, that's very kind of you, I will let you know if the stuff I have coming for some reason will not work, and I certainly would compensate you appropriately as well :D

And yes, they cut it up, I wanted it all in one piece but they didn't think the UPS truck would make his turns too well. Plus I live in a 12x10 cell, er, dorm room, I mean... :P

Well thanks again, Scibeer, if all goes well, in 5-9 business days I will be hammering out a few mods I've already sketched :D So lots of SAK porn in the forecast, especially with Spring Break rapidly approaching as well.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2009, 08:40:24 AM by Ben X »

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Sr. Member Posts: 276
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2009, 07:20:32 PM »
Wow, I find my title highly ironic- I ordered the rods yesterday LATE afternoon- had a message this morning from the campus post office that I had a UPS package! Talk about FAST! Literally, in under 24 hours, it went from Georgia to Tennessee! So, I got just what I needed!  :mail: <---- That was me this morning. Oh, and I misread the site, it was 16 feet of each, but still, easily a year's supply (maybe). I can't wait to get started! Thanks all for the help. Now I have to make some tough choices about which SAKs are going to to operating room  >:D

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Admin Team Point Of No Return Posts: 32,179
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2009, 07:48:52 PM »
Glad you managed to get some Ben.  Looking forward to the next mod.  :tu:

Try not to be the person who blunders around and causes everyone else to get out the way.  Everyone else thinks you're a utter...
Sr. Member Posts: 276
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2009, 08:13:09 PM »
Whew, alright, it's already put together, at least I put the layers all together on the pins, but now what? Last time one side was already peened, but not so now. Right now it's just 4 rods sticking through the knife holding it together. What next?

Btw, a little teaser, it's leftover Champ parts, so I made a pseudo Lumberjack (of sorts):

Layer 1: Large blade, small blade, corkscrew
Layer 2: Wood saw, chisel

Sort of a woodworker knife, all cutting blades (save for the corkscrew... I guess it's meant to screw into cork, a sort of wood  :P )
Hopefully I can find my dang ball pien hammer, I know it's around this room somewhere...

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Multitool.org Main Site Manager Zombie Apprentice Posts: 15,287
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2009, 08:57:02 PM »
Whew, alright, it's already put together, at least I put the layers all together on the pins, but now what? Last time one side was already peened, but not so now. Right now it's just 4 rods sticking through the knife holding it together. What next?

Btw, a little teaser, it's leftover Champ parts, so I made a pseudo Lumberjack (of sorts):

Layer 1: Large blade, small blade, corkscrew
Layer 2: Wood saw, chisel

Sort of a woodworker knife, all cutting blades (save for the corkscrew... I guess it's meant to screw into cork, a sort of wood  :P )
Hopefully I can find my dang ball pien hammer, I know it's around this room somewhere...

This is where Gareth and I differ in approach (both work mind).  I like to cut the brass 1 to 1.5mm proud of the bushing either side and then then a few taps to one side, turn the knife over and a few taps to the other, repeat 'till right.  Gareth likes to take a longer bit of brass and dome one end first, pop it in place, cut to size and then peen from that side. (I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm remembering that wrong).  Either way it really isn't any more difficult than working on a knife that already has been factory peened on one side. 

Really, you'll be fine  :tu:

Neil

I'm not taking any more mod orders at present, sorry.
No Life Club Posts: 1,547
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2009, 09:04:12 PM »
Someone else (I think Spork?) leaves part of the rod unmilled, so that he has a thicker portion on one side. Won't work if you have the right size brass though...

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Admin Team Point Of No Return Posts: 32,179
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2009, 09:23:06 PM »
Whew, alright, it's already put together, at least I put the layers all together on the pins, but now what? Last time one side was already peened, but not so now. Right now it's just 4 rods sticking through the knife holding it together. What next?

Btw, a little teaser, it's leftover Champ parts, so I made a pseudo Lumberjack (of sorts):

Layer 1: Large blade, small blade, corkscrew
Layer 2: Wood saw, chisel

Sort of a woodworker knife, all cutting blades (save for the corkscrew... I guess it's meant to screw into cork, a sort of wood  :P )
Hopefully I can find my dang ball pien hammer, I know it's around this room somewhere...

This is where Gareth and I differ in approach (both work mind).  I like to cut the brass 1 to 1.5mm proud of the bushing either side and then then a few taps to one side, turn the knife over and a few taps to the other, repeat 'till right.  Gareth likes to take a longer bit of brass and dome one end first, pop it in place, cut to size and then peen from that side. (I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm remembering that wrong).  Either way it really isn't any more difficult than working on a knife that already has been factory peened on one side. 

Really, you'll be fine  :tu:

Neil

Don't worry you got it right. :D

Try not to be the person who blunders around and causes everyone else to get out the way.  Everyone else thinks you're a utter...
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 13,375 Sing, Michael, sing. On the route of the 19 Bus!
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2009, 10:05:32 PM »
That's definitely the tricky bit for me anyway. I tend to use Neil's method, leaving a couple of mm over on each side, but then I take a dremmel sanding bit to each end and flatten them down to about 1mm above the bushings. Then, I peen with a ball pein hammer, using a miniature anvil I picked up cheaply to form a nice neat finish.

All different routes to the same end product  :cheers:

Admin Team Point Of No Return Posts: 32,179
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2009, 11:12:22 PM »
Actually Dave makes a good point.  Before you start peening make sure you have a nice flat end on the pin.  If you have just clipped it to length with snips then it will be horribly uneven.  Take a few minutes to flatten the end and the result will be much nicer and , more importantly, easier.  I simply use a file but if you've got a Dremel type tool that should make life even simpler.

Try not to be the person who blunders around and causes everyone else to get out the way.  Everyone else thinks you're a utter...
No Life Club Posts: 3,516 Benner fan club #003
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2009, 11:46:09 PM »
Gareth and I are doing it correctly...I have no ideal what Neil and the Bees are doing :pok: :o :D
Multitool.org Main Site Manager Zombie Apprentice Posts: 15,287
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2009, 11:54:35 PM »
Gareth and I are doing it correctly...I have no ideal what Neil and the Bees are doing :pok: :o :D


Tried it your way, didn't like it. :-[

Same with the peening   ;)

Neil


I'm not taking any more mod orders at present, sorry.
No Life Club Posts: 3,516 Benner fan club #003
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2009, 11:58:35 PM »
Just kidding with you Neil. :D

One reason I like to start with longer pins is that I don't use any type of assembly jig and it gives me a little bit of leverage when lining up the holes by hand.
Multitool.org Main Site Manager Zombie Apprentice Posts: 15,287
Re: Brass Rod NOW!!!
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2009, 12:02:50 AM »
I always jig 

I am not manly enough to shove the springs about without assistance.  Not without blood loss anyway  :ahhh

Neil

I'm not taking any more mod orders at present, sorry.

 

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