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Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
on: May 13, 2016, 04:17:50 AM
Can tools from one go into the other?
Is it a simple drop-in?
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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #1 on: May 13, 2016, 05:13:39 AM
It can work, but not perfectly. The lock notch for Leatherman and SOG start at roughly the same place, but the Leatherman notch is about twice as wide. The SOG pivot near the notch is also slightly taller. However, the pivot holes are in roughly the same place, and the depth of the lock notches are the same as well. Heres a picture of a Leatherman bit holder in front of a SOG file on the same pivot, to show what I mean:


What this means is that in Leatherman tools, the lock wont engage, because the SOG notch is too thin. On SOG tools, you will get lots if tool wobble, and the tools wont align with the profile of the tool.
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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #2 on: May 13, 2016, 05:22:23 AM
Not to say it cant be done. Heres my SOG Pocket PowerPlier with one handle full of BO Rebar parts, the other SOG parts. Just had to bend one of the retention tabs inward to engage the Leatherman parts.

Alignment issues with Leatherman parts I use the Phillips driver with the pliers open.

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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #3 on: May 13, 2016, 05:26:05 AM
Quote from: sLaughterMed on May 13, 2016, 05:22:23 AM
Not to say it cant be done. Heres my SOG Pocket PowerPlier with one handle full of BO Rebar parts, the other SOG parts. Just had to bend one of the retention tabs inward to engage the Leatherman parts.
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Alignment issues with Leatherman parts I use the Phillips driver with the pliers open.
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That's why I asked, I've seen some interesting mods, that was one of them. Thanks!  :tu:
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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #4 on: May 13, 2016, 05:38:06 AM
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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #5 on: May 13, 2016, 08:10:51 AM
Quote from: sLaughterMed on May 13, 2016, 05:13:39 AM
What this means is that in Leatherman tools, the lock wont engage, because the SOG notch is too thin. On SOG tools, you will get lots if tool wobble, and the tools wont align with the profile of the tool.
Just so I have this straight.

With a bit of file-work the SOG tool could actually fit quite well into a LM but the other way round you have to bend the lock, meaning that you have to fill one side of your SOG with LM tools (you can't just introduce one).


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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #6 on: May 13, 2016, 08:56:31 AM
G'Day,

Some manual filing or sanding may be required if you put SOG parts into the older LM chassis. I put a SOG saw into a PST where the blade goes, without too much trouble. The pivot hole was the correct size as well as the thickness, but I had to sand the bottom and the top to get the tool to close completely.

I have not tried with any locking tools though.

Link to my original post: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,48498.msg1165492.html#msg1165492

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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #7 on: May 13, 2016, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: Etherealicer on May 13, 2016, 08:10:51 AM
Quote from: sLaughterMed on May 13, 2016, 05:13:39 AM
What this means is that in Leatherman tools, the lock wont engage, because the SOG notch is too thin. On SOG tools, you will get lots if tool wobble, and the tools wont align with the profile of the tool.
Just so I have this straight.

With a bit of file-work the SOG tool could actually fit quite well into a LM but the other way round you have to bend the lock, meaning that you have to fill one side of your SOG with LM tools (you can't just introduce one).


Btw, NICE mod :tu:
That is correct for the non-locking SOG tools.

For the locking SOGs, you would have to modify the lock itself I think, filing some of the end off. The Piano Locks SOG uses on some of their tools might make good candidates for this type of mod, as you would only have to file one part, and you could keep regular SOG tools in the handle as well.

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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #8 on: May 13, 2016, 04:48:58 PM
Quote from: pietervn on May 13, 2016, 08:56:31 AM
G'Day,

Some manual filing or sanding may be required if you put SOG parts into the older LM chassis. I put a SOG saw into a PST where the blade goes, without too much trouble. The pivot hole was the correct size as well as the thickness, but I had to sand the bottom and the top to get the tool to close completely.

I have not tried with any locking tools though.

Link to my original post: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,48498.msg1165492.html#msg1165492

Cheers,

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So this means I may be able to put a SOG saw pretty easy into my PST 1.5 :o :tu: That seems like.a.worthwhile thing for me to try anyway :cheers:
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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #9 on: May 14, 2016, 08:05:58 AM
Quote from: Poncho65 on May 13, 2016, 04:48:58 PM
So this means I may be able to put a SOG saw pretty easy into my PST 1.5 :o :tu: That seems like.a.worthwhile thing for me to try anyway :cheers:

Absolutely. Not difficult at all, but a little time consuming. I took it slowly with the sanding, it is never easy to add metal back that was removed with to much enthusiastic sanding or filing.  ;)

The kids have used it a fair bit to make spears in the back garden and it has held up as if was an OEM part of the PST.

Post pics of the completed PST 1.5.2  :D

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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #10 on: May 14, 2016, 06:21:48 PM
I have an entire half of the Powerlock using LM tools. The Phillips is excellent, much better than the SOG one, and I needed Scissors on my MT, they're one of my essentials in the EDC multitool of choice if I don't carry a micra/other scissors.



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Easy mod, but never tried to put SOG implements on a Leatherman, I cannot comment on that  :think:
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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #11 on: May 14, 2016, 07:01:42 PM
Those lock in place unmodified? Any tool wobble? How is the alignment of the screwdriver?
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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #12 on: May 14, 2016, 07:54:29 PM
Quote from: pietervn on May 14, 2016, 08:05:58 AM
Quote from: Poncho65 on May 13, 2016, 04:48:58 PM
So this means I may be able to put a SOG saw pretty easy into my PST 1.5 :o :tu: That seems like.a.worthwhile thing for me to try anyway :cheers:

Absolutely. Not difficult at all, but a little time consuming. I took it slowly with the sanding, it is never easy to add metal back that was removed with to much enthusiastic sanding or filing.  ;)

The kids have used it a fair bit to make spears in the back garden and it has held up as if was an OEM part of the PST.

Post pics of the completed PST 1.5.2  :D

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If I track a saw down I will definitely put pics of the PST 1.5.2 :tu:
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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #13 on: May 15, 2016, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: sLaughterMed on May 14, 2016, 07:01:42 PM
Those lock in place unmodified? Any tool wobble? How is the alignment of the screwdriver?

Unmodified. The Phillips and scissors need to be opened and they don't lock by themselves. You just have to press the piano lock in and then they lock. There's minimal wiggle, but I press full force on the locked Phillips and there is no unlocking, it has a bit of play but stays locked.

Scissors the same.
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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #14 on: May 15, 2016, 04:54:34 PM
Quote from: ThePeacent on May 15, 2016, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: sLaughterMed on May 14, 2016, 07:01:42 PM
Those lock in place unmodified? Any tool wobble? How is the alignment of the screwdriver?

Unmodified. The Phillips and scissors need to be opened and they don't lock by themselves. You just have to press the piano lock in and then they lock. There's minimal wiggle, but I press full force on the locked Phillips and there is no unlocking, it has a bit of play but stays locked.

Scissors the same.

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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #15 on: May 17, 2016, 06:34:30 AM
Quote from: ThePeacent on May 15, 2016, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: sLaughterMed on May 14, 2016, 07:01:42 PM
Those lock in place unmodified? Any tool wobble? How is the alignment of the screwdriver?

Unmodified. The Phillips and scissors need to be opened and they don't lock by themselves. You just have to press the piano lock in and then they lock. There's minimal wiggle, but I press full force on the locked Phillips and there is no unlocking, it has a bit of play but stays locked.

Scissors the same.

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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #16 on: May 29, 2016, 06:07:11 AM
What about Leatherman implements in a SOG PPP?
Will the tab provide retention?

The PPP is awesome, but the Philips should be thicker, there's plenty of room. Instead they just stuck the default one in.
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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #17 on: May 29, 2016, 07:35:49 PM
Quote from: ReamerPunch on May 29, 2016, 06:07:11 AM
What about Leatherman implements in a SOG PPP?
Will the tab provide retention?

The PPP is awesome, but the Philips should be thicker, there's plenty of room. Instead they just stuck the default one in.
Ive done it on mine. It does require bending the retention tab inwards a little bit, but it is otherwise very straightforward. the leatherman otols also open slightly past center. Heres some pics.


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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
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Re: Compatability between LM and SOG implements?
Reply #20 on: May 30, 2016, 05:57:10 AM
Quote from: sLaughterMed on May 29, 2016, 07:35:49 PM
Quote from: ReamerPunch on May 29, 2016, 06:07:11 AM
What about Leatherman implements in a SOG PPP?
Will the tab provide retention?

The PPP is awesome, but the Philips should be thicker, there's plenty of room. Instead they just stuck the default one in.
Ive done it on mine. It does require bending the retention tab inwards a little bit, but it is otherwise very straightforward. the leatherman otols also open slightly past center. Heres some pics.
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Thanks! I might have to order something from loki. There's plenty of room in the ppp. Or so it seems.
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