Bring Back the Juice KF4 Petition

max6166 · **on:** February 04, 2009, 03:49:07 AM

Due to the recent response from LM and the amount of discussion of this topic in the past, I decided to set up a petition to bring back the Juice KF4 for anyone who is interested:

http://www.petitiononline.com/juicekf4/

So many people mentioned that they would like scissors added to the KF4, that I included that as an option as well. I felt the simplest and most foolproof way to offer this option was to specify that scissors should only be added if they did not impact the previous functionality of the KF4.

I encourage anyone who is interested in this cause to add the URL to their signature and advertise the petition both here and elsewhere.

"This one's for you, Luke!"

rockyman500 · **Reply #1 on:** February 04, 2009, 05:21:43 AM

i signed...i was also the first...IT NEEDS MORE

did i cause this?

Benner · **Reply #2 on:** February 04, 2009, 11:13:14 AM

Many members here have expressed their want for the KF4 to return, especially Luke.

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #3 on:** February 04, 2009, 01:12:54 PM

Don't want one

, but I'll sign up to help you out

RaptorMan · **Reply #4 on:** February 04, 2009, 02:49:26 PM

Never used one but I signed because it is Leatherman and its possible in seeing it I may want it.

gadgetman7 · **Reply #5 on:** February 04, 2009, 05:34:28 PM

I signed as well. I don't really care about the scissors though.

max6166 · **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2009, 05:43:28 PM

Quote from: rockyman500 on February 04, 2009, 05:21:43 AM

did i cause this?

Yes, your recent thread was likely the tipping point, but I wouldn't have done it unless the topic came up so frequently.

Not to worry. These petitions are not "angry petitions". They are more like "fanboy requests".

They are just a way to determine if there really is substantial interest, and if so, to communicate it to the company. It is almost more of a survey.

Gadget Guy · **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2009, 06:11:47 PM

I signed it. Bring back the KF4!!

cliosguy · **Reply #8 on:** February 04, 2009, 06:12:21 PM

i just sign it

NeitherExtreme · **Reply #9 on:** February 04, 2009, 09:43:57 PM

Quote from: max6166 on February 04, 2009, 03:49:07 AM

Due to the recent response from LM and the amount of discussion of this topic in the past, I decided to set up a petition to bring back the Juice KF4 for anyone who is interested:

http://www.petitiononline.com/juicekf4/

So many people mentioned that they would like scissors added to the KF4, that I included that as an option as well. I felt the simplest and most foolproof way to offer this option was to specify that scissors should only be added if they did not impact the previous functionality of the KF4.

I encourage anyone who is interested in this cause to add the URL to their signature and advertise the petition both here and elsewhere.

"This one's for you, Luke!"

Good work!

EZ822 · **Reply #10 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:39:49 AM

You have my signature

cgk · **Reply #11 on:** February 05, 2009, 02:55:55 PM

Signed it....only 20....come-on guys (and one girl)

I'm Still Bison · **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2009, 06:24:16 AM

I signed too.One option I wish I could see if it was brought back......natural metal finish on the handles.

Craig · **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2009, 06:32:16 PM

Signed it

Nightshade · **Reply #14 on:** February 08, 2009, 04:41:50 PM

Done...I hope they will agree to a limited run , at the very least. With the MT. Org logo would be nice.

Flash · **Reply #15 on:** February 08, 2009, 04:53:48 PM

Signed...now who else wants my autograph

Gareth · **Reply #16 on:** February 08, 2009, 05:10:31 PM

Quote from: Flash on February 08, 2009, 04:53:48 PM

Signed...now who else wants my autograph

You could sign a blank cheque, I'll PM you my address.

J-sews · **Reply #17 on:** February 08, 2009, 08:11:34 PM

Poncho65 · **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2009, 03:39:03 AM

Would be great to see something like the Kf4 to come back or at least something very close

rockyman500 · **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2009, 03:55:47 AM

26 signatures wont change Leatherman's mind...

DaveK · **Reply #20 on:** February 09, 2009, 03:31:07 PM

Maybe. Maybe not.

We do know that the Leatherman folk read this forum from time to time, so it's better to say what we'd like than not!

rockyman500 · **Reply #21 on:** February 09, 2009, 04:38:36 PM

good point...how do you know they read this forum?

DaveK · **Reply #22 on:** February 09, 2009, 05:07:34 PM

'Cos they tell us so! Def will give you more details, but we've even had the man himself Tim Leatherman contribute to our discussions, albeit by e-mail to Def.

max6166 · **Reply #23 on:** February 09, 2009, 08:08:58 PM

Quote from: rockyman500 on February 09, 2009, 03:55:47 AM

26 signatures wont change Leatherman's mind...

Yes, you are probably right...

"Petitions" also function as a gauge of real interest. They show how many MT fanatics are really interested in the topic. Even if a topic comes up frequently, it does not necessarily mean that a lot of people are truly interested in it.

There are 1000 members here - I don't know how many are active, but it must be at least a couple of hundred. And then there are guests, etc. So 26 signatures is not fantastic. But to be honest, I would consider 50 to be a very good start based upon past experience. Let's give it a little longer and see.

No petition is going to hit significant numbers without going outside the confines of this forum though. It requires a few people to spread the word and to keep it constantly in view of the general public. That is why I recommend adding it to the signatures people use on other forums, for example.

Lastly, it will take time and patience. My own pet petition is for the return of 84mm SAK scissors. I simply put it in my signature and post on 2 forums and have gotten 100 people to sign in about 6 months. There are a few new signatures every month. Maybe in a couple of years, I will have enough signatures to get Vic's attention. Maybe not. All I know is that it is very little effort and at least offers a chance of getting 84mm scissors again someday down the road. I'd rather have 84mm scissors in 5 years, than never.

If a handful of people were really interested in bringing back the KF4 and spread the word, I am sure we could do much better than I am doing by myself with the scissors petition. But if very few people here of all places are interested, then it is probably better that it remain out of production.

Another point is that even if LM doesn't bring back the KF4, they might take your interest in it to heart when designing future products. We might even get something better than the KF4 one day if we convince LM that there is demand. How sweet would that be?