Analysis Paralysis

cliosguy · **Reply #30 on:** April 20, 2009, 08:53:11 PM

Quote from: american lockpicker on April 20, 2009, 08:46:49 PM

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I've only heard of one instance where a SOG plier jaw failed,and the owner admitted that it was likely from abuse.

I ruined mine from flipping it open repeatedly.

really what happened?

Whenever I was bored I used to have a habit of swinging my power lock to open it and eventually the pliers became really hard to open. I tried lubing it but that didn't help.

that happen to me with once, i took it completely apart, lubricate it, put it all together, applied some threat lock and it was good as new

Once I lubed the pliers it helped a little and if it hadn't been for the gears I doubt I would have benn able to use the pliers at all.

they were realy jam then

did you tried wash it on hot water? maybe some dirt or something got stuck in the pivot

Poncho65 · **Reply #31 on:** April 20, 2009, 11:19:58 PM

Quote from: Benner on April 20, 2009, 03:25:34 PM

Anyway, they may flex but they don't seem to break.

Old Wave

nuff said

Benner · **Reply #32 on:** April 20, 2009, 11:22:20 PM

Quote from: Poncho65 on April 20, 2009, 11:19:58 PM

Quote from: Benner on April 20, 2009, 03:25:34 PM
Anyway, they may flex but they don't seem to break.

Old Wave nuff said

I don't walk around saying how they are weak and will break though do I.

My comment is factual, they DO flex. Saying something is weak when there has been no evidence of one breaking - ever, is a bit different.

DaveK · **Reply #33 on:** April 21, 2009, 12:08:08 AM

Quote from: rockyman500 on April 20, 2009, 04:42:34 AM

IMHO, compound leverage is ALL that's going for the powerlock...(yes I own one DaveK)

Well done.

I've never heard of a Powerlock letting anybody down, and have always thought that it was one of the beefier tools out there. I certainly don't have many "stronger" tools in my collection. Maybe the Super Bear Jaws, but after that it seems to me that the Powerlock, Core, Surge, Swisstool, Freehand, Legend, Supertool, Supertool 200 etc are all strong enough for my grip I would think. (yes I own all those rockyman500

). Come to think of it, didn't we see some pictures on here of broken Surge jaws?

One thing I have definitely learned about these multitool things is that flexing doesn't mean weak. I'd be reasonably impressed if you managed to break one rockyman, provided you didn't use machinery or another tool to break it.

Poncho65 · **Reply #34 on:** April 21, 2009, 12:11:34 AM

Quote from: Benner on April 20, 2009, 11:22:20 PM

Quote from: Poncho65 on April 20, 2009, 11:19:58 PM
Quote from: Benner on April 20, 2009, 03:25:34 PM
Anyway, they may flex but they don't seem to break.

Old Wave nuff said

I don't walk around saying how they are weak and will break though do I. My comment is factual, they DO flex. Saying something is weak when there has been no evidence of one breaking - ever, is a bit different.

I knew that would get ya to jumping

Benner · **Reply #35 on:** April 21, 2009, 12:12:59 AM

Quote from: Poncho65 on April 21, 2009, 12:11:34 AM

Quote from: Benner on April 20, 2009, 11:22:20 PM
Quote from: Poncho65 on April 20, 2009, 11:19:58 PM
Quote from: Benner on April 20, 2009, 03:25:34 PM
Anyway, they may flex but they don't seem to break.

Old Wave nuff said

I don't walk around saying how they are weak and will break though do I. My comment is factual, they DO flex. Saying something is weak when there has been no evidence of one breaking - ever, is a bit different.

I knew that would get ya to jumping

Not jumping, just explaining.

Poncho65 · **Reply #36 on:** April 21, 2009, 12:15:52 AM

Quote from: Benner on April 21, 2009, 12:12:59 AM

Quote from: Poncho65 on April 21, 2009, 12:11:34 AM
Quote from: Benner on April 20, 2009, 11:22:20 PM
Quote from: Poncho65 on April 20, 2009, 11:19:58 PM
Quote from: Benner on April 20, 2009, 03:25:34 PM
Anyway, they may flex but they don't seem to break.

Old Wave nuff said

I don't walk around saying how they are weak and will break though do I. My comment is factual, they DO flex. Saying something is weak when there has been no evidence of one breaking - ever, is a bit different.

I knew that would get ya to jumping

Not jumping, just explaining.

rockyman500 · **Reply #37 on:** April 21, 2009, 12:37:28 AM

Quote from: DaveK on April 21, 2009, 12:08:08 AM

Quote from: rockyman500 on April 20, 2009, 04:42:34 AM
IMHO, compound leverage is ALL that's going for the powerlock...(yes I own one DaveK)

Well done.

I've never heard of a Powerlock letting anybody down, and have always thought that it was one of the beefier tools out there. I certainly don't have many "stronger" tools in my collection. Maybe the Super Bear Jaws, but after that it seems to me that the Powerlock, Core, Surge, Swisstool, Freehand, Legend, Supertool, Supertool 200 etc are all strong enough for my grip I would think. (yes I own all those rockyman500 ). Come to think of it, didn't we see some pictures on here of broken Surge jaws?

One thing I have definitely learned about these multitool things is that flexing doesn't mean weak. I'd be reasonably impressed if you managed to break one rockyman, provided you didn't use machinery or another tool to break it.

Yep..."watch your jaws flex"...even the SURGE has limits...but I'm just saying, I don't think it should flex so much if it's supposed to be a heavy-duty tool...I'll go try to bend some nails (large ones) and report back...wish me luck...

DaveK · **Reply #38 on:** April 21, 2009, 12:39:24 AM

Good luck.

Although, why not sell the Powerlock and buy a Bear Jaws?

rockyman500 · **Reply #39 on:** April 21, 2009, 12:47:42 AM

Quote from: DaveK on April 21, 2009, 12:39:24 AM

Good luck.

Although, why not sell the Powerlock and buy a Bear Jaws?

trust me, I thought of it...but this is really a beater purpose one and I could probably not get a lot of money...

Anyways, I just went and bent some LARGE nails with the Powerlock and SURGE...both served admirably...

another thing, there is a lot (well, too much for me) of play is the pliers...

DaveK · **Reply #40 on:** April 21, 2009, 12:51:48 AM

What sort of play?

rockyman500 · **Reply #41 on:** April 21, 2009, 12:53:13 AM

the pliers have a little bit of play...but probably just from use is all...but from the extra gears in compound leverage, there's a lot of moving parts that cause handle-to-plier play...

and are you saying the SBJ is "beefier" than those?

cliosguy · **Reply #42 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:04:11 AM

have you tried adjust the screws? thats where most of the play comes

rockyman500 · **Reply #43 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:05:47 AM

Quote from: cliosguy on April 21, 2009, 01:04:11 AM

have you tried adjust the screws? thats where most of the play comes

Yes, I have. But if I tighten it, theres still some play...and I can't flip it open...

Roadie · **Reply #44 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:09:40 AM

Flex is good, i'd rather something flex than it just snap. Think of dry spaghetti vs wet spaghetti, which is can you apply more force to when bending?

rockyman500 · **Reply #45 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:11:38 AM

Quote from: Roadie on April 21, 2009, 01:09:40 AM

Flex is good, i'd rather something flex than it just snap. Think of dry spaghetti vs wet spaghetti, which is can you apply more force to when bending?

I know it is...but it flexes to easily...

as I have said earlier...the SURGE flexes, but takes significantly more force to make it flex...

cliosguy · **Reply #46 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:12:17 AM

Quote from: rockyman500 on April 21, 2009, 01:05:47 AM

Quote from: cliosguy on April 21, 2009, 01:04:11 AM
have you tried adjust the screws? thats where most of the play comes

Yes, I have. But if I tighten it, theres still some play...and I can't flip it open...

and i guess handle-plier play is not that bad, once you grip something that play is gonne

rockyman500 · **Reply #47 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:13:39 AM

Quote from: cliosguy on April 21, 2009, 01:12:17 AM

Quote from: rockyman500 on April 21, 2009, 01:05:47 AM
Quote from: cliosguy on April 21, 2009, 01:04:11 AM
have you tried adjust the screws? thats where most of the play comes

Yes, I have. But if I tighten it, theres still some play...and I can't flip it open...

and i guess handle-plier play is not that bad, once you grip something that play is gone

but it's not nearly as "confidence inspiring" as my SURGE, IMO...

Benner · **Reply #48 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:16:35 AM

Slightly OT, but I found Dave's Core to be more confidence inspiring than the Surge.

Roadie · **Reply #49 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:17:20 AM

Quote from: Benner on April 21, 2009, 01:16:35 AM

Slightly OT, but I found Dave's Core to be more confidence inspiring than the Surge.

What he said

The Surge is just "meh" in my view.

DaveK · **Reply #50 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:17:34 AM

Quote from: Benner on April 21, 2009, 01:16:35 AM

Slightly OT, but I found Dave's Core to be more confidence inspiring than the Surge.

Well Leatherman do market the Core as their strongest tool, and I guess they'd know.

Benner · **Reply #51 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:18:52 AM

Quote from: DaveK on April 21, 2009, 01:17:34 AM

Quote from: Benner on April 21, 2009, 01:16:35 AM
Slightly OT, but I found Dave's Core to be more confidence inspiring than the Surge.

Well Leatherman do market the Core as their strongest tool, and I guess they'd know.

I'm not surprised, it is a solid old lump.

It just seems that everyone rates the Surge as the strongest when I felt differently.

DaveK · **Reply #52 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:23:24 AM

Quote from: Benner on April 21, 2009, 01:18:52 AM

Quote from: DaveK on April 21, 2009, 01:17:34 AM
Quote from: Benner on April 21, 2009, 01:16:35 AM
Slightly OT, but I found Dave's Core to be more confidence inspiring than the Surge.

Well Leatherman do market the Core as their strongest tool, and I guess they'd know.

I'm not surprised, it is a solid old lump. It just seems that everyone rates the Surge as the strongest when I felt differently.

I think you're spot on there. Don't believe the hype !

american lockpicker · **Reply #53 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:25:21 AM

Quote from: DaveK on April 21, 2009, 01:17:34 AM

Quote from: Benner on April 21, 2009, 01:16:35 AM
Slightly OT, but I found Dave's Core to be more confidence inspiring than the Surge.

Well Leatherman do market the Core as their strongest tool, and I guess they'd know.

I thought the surge was.

rockyman500 · **Reply #54 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:52:51 AM

Quote from: american lockpicker on April 21, 2009, 02:25:21 AM

Quote from: DaveK on April 21, 2009, 01:17:34 AM
Quote from: Benner on April 21, 2009, 01:16:35 AM
Slightly OT, but I found Dave's Core to be more confidence inspiring than the Surge.

Well Leatherman do market the Core as their strongest tool, and I guess they'd know.

I thought the surge was.

SURGE="a real powerhouse"

DaveK · **Reply #55 on:** April 21, 2009, 09:43:49 PM

They changed their marketing a few months ago, but they used to call the Core the "powerhouse".

They also now refer to the Surge and Core as "Full Sized Tools" the same as the Kick, whereas they were previously in a seperate category called "Extra Large Tools".