Quote from: LatinoHeat on November 26, 2009, 03:05:28 AMNo swine flu for me or my family. I'd rather have a mild strain of flu like the Swine Flu then take a vaccine that has caused so many disabilities and deaths. I'd rather not risk putting something in my body that can harm me, and doing it ON PURPOSE.There's only literally a one in 1 million chance of complication Don't believe the scare mongers
No swine flu for me or my family. I'd rather have a mild strain of flu like the Swine Flu then take a vaccine that has caused so many disabilities and deaths. I'd rather not risk putting something in my body that can harm me, and doing it ON PURPOSE.
Quote from: LatinoHeat on November 26, 2009, 03:05:28 AMNo swine flu for me or my family. I'd rather have a mild strain of flu like the Swine Flu then take a vaccine that has caused so many disabilities and deaths. I'd rather not risk putting something in my body that can harm me, and doing it ON PURPOSE.Data is always nice...
Quote from: Mr. Whippy on November 26, 2009, 03:17:40 AMQuote from: LatinoHeat on November 26, 2009, 03:05:28 AMNo swine flu for me or my family. I'd rather have a mild strain of flu like the Swine Flu then take a vaccine that has caused so many disabilities and deaths. I'd rather not risk putting something in my body that can harm me, and doing it ON PURPOSE.Data is always nice...http://www.straight.com/article-270843/vancouver/whats-your-vaccinehttp://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=110686§ionid=3510212http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1670%3Ahealth-workers-in-greece-reject-swine-flu-jab&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=enhttp://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1674%3Amore-vaccine-deaths-in-sweden-desperate-cover-ups&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhZesZe33cw&feature=player_embeddedhttp://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5405872n&tag=apiI have tons more if anyone is interested. This is just another silly attempt to scare us into buying more drugs, and in turn, making the big pharm companies more money.
I'm ready for the swine flu. I'm all stocked up on chicken noodle soup, Dayquil, and Sprite.
Quote from: Pacu on November 26, 2009, 04:18:33 PMI'm ready for the swine flu. I'm all stocked up on chicken noodle soup, Dayquil, and Sprite.And don't forget the gatorade/powerade
Quote from: LatinoHeat on November 26, 2009, 03:40:12 PMQuote from: Mr. Whippy on November 26, 2009, 03:17:40 AMQuote from: LatinoHeat on November 26, 2009, 03:05:28 AMNo swine flu for me or my family. I'd rather have a mild strain of flu like the Swine Flu then take a vaccine that has caused so many disabilities and deaths. I'd rather not risk putting something in my body that can harm me, and doing it ON PURPOSE.Data is always nice...http://www.straight.com/article-270843/vancouver/whats-your-vaccinehttp://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=110686§ionid=3510212http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1670%3Ahealth-workers-in-greece-reject-swine-flu-jab&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=enhttp://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1674%3Amore-vaccine-deaths-in-sweden-desperate-cover-ups&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105&lang=enhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhZesZe33cw&feature=player_embeddedhttp://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5405872n&tag=apiI have tons more if anyone is interested. This is just another silly attempt to scare us into buying more drugs, and in turn, making the big pharm companies more money.Just as long as you're willing to accept the consequences of your actions... If you or a loved one ends up permanently disabled or dying of H1N1 or a complication, you have no one to blame but yourself. Happy Thanksgiving.
May I just ask how long it has been around for?
Oh yeah, I am TOTALLY willing to accept thew consequences of my actions, which is why I am not getting that vaccine. If I or a loved one ends up permanently disabled or dying of the H1N1 vaccine, I not only would have noone to blame for allowing someone to stick me with a questionable and still largely unproven vaccine, I would never be able to live with myself for going through with it when there really seems not to be any danger. Most who get this thing are laid up a few days and then are fine. Some aren't, but the numbers are sooooo tilted toward the safe side, that this is really silly, and just seems like a bunch of fear mongers taking advantage of a situation to make a buck.
A pure fallacy according to.......? Sources please. We need info. When doctors themselves say not to take this vaccine, it puts up a great big red flag, even BIGGER then Benner's big red button. So what are your sources?
The 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines are expected to have similar safety profiles as seasonal flu vaccines, which have very good safety track records. Over the years, hundreds of millions of Americans have received seasonal flu vaccines. The most common side effects following flu vaccinations are mild, such as soreness, redness, tenderness or swelling where the shot was given. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) will be closely monitoring for any signs that the vaccine is causing unexpected adverse events and we will work with state and local health officials to investigate any unusual events.
Common Side EffectsAs anticipated, side effects commonly reported include swelling, redness, or pain at the injection site, which usually resolves spontaneously a short time after vaccination.Fever, headache, fatigue, and muscle aches, occurring shortly after vaccine administration, have also been reported, though with less frequency. These symptoms also resolve spontaneously, usually within 48 hours. In addition, a variety of allergic reactions has been observed. The frequency of these reactions is well within the expected range.Guillain-Barre syndromeTo date, fewer than ten suspected cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome have been reported in people who have received vaccine. These numbers are in line with normal background rates of this illness, as reported in a recent study. Nonetheless, all such cases are being investigated to determine whether these are randomly occurring events or if they might be associated with vaccination.WHO has received no reports of fatal outcomes among suspected or confirmed cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome detected since vaccination campaigns began. All cases have recovered. WHO recommends continued active monitoring for Guillain-Barre syndrome.Investigations of deathsA small number of deaths have occurred in people who have been vaccinated. All such deaths, reported to WHO, have been promptly investigated. Although some investigations are ongoing, results of completed investigations reported to WHO have ruled out a direct link to pandemic vaccine as the cause of death.
From the same WHO that said:http://www.who.int/dg/speeches/2009/emro_regional_committee_20091005/en/index.htmlAddress to the Regional Committee for the Eastern Mediterranean (56th session)Dr Margaret ChanDirector-General of the World Health Organization[...]To date, we have been fortunate in the way the influenza pandemic has evolved. Outbreaks initially spread in countries with good surveillance and reporting systems. Data have been quickly generated and shared. Parts of the world are now entering a second wave of spread with a reasonably good body of knowledge and experience.The overall picture remains largely reassuring. The overwhelming majority of cases continue to experience mild illness and recover fully within a week, even without any form of medical treatment. We have no signs, at either the epidemiological or the virological level, that the virus has mutated to a more virulent form. Despite the administration of many millions of doses of the antiviral drug, oseltamivir, fewer than 30 instances of drug-resistant virus have been detected worldwide.Interesting. Mild illness. Full recovery in a week without medical treatment. From Reuters:http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE58E6NZ20090916Swine flu death rate similar to seasonal flu: expertReutersWASHINGTON (Reuters) - The death rate from the pandemic H1N1 swine flu is likely lower than earlier estimates, an expert in infectious diseases said on Wednesday.New estimates suggest that the death rate compares to a moderate year of seasonal influenza, said Dr Marc Lipsitch of Harvard University."It's mildest in kids. That's one of the really good pieces of news in this pandemic," Lipsitch told a meeting of flu experts being held by the U.S. Institute of Medicine."Barring any changes in the virus, I think we can say we are in a category 1 pandemic. This has not become clear until fairly recently."The Pandemic Severity Index set by the U.S. government has five categories of pandemic, with a category 1 being comparable to a seasonal flu epidemic.Seasonal flu has a death rate of less than 0.1 percent -- but still manages to kill 250,000 to 500,000 people globally every year.A category 5 pandemic would compare to the 1918 flu pandemic, which had an estimated death rate of 2 percent or more, and would kill tens of million of people.Lipsitch took information from around the world on how many people had reported they had influenza-like illness, which may or may not actually be influenza; government reports of actual hospitalizations and confirmed deaths.He came up with a range of mortality from swine flu, from 0.007 percent to 0.045 percent.Either way, having new information about how many people were infected and did not become severely ill or die makes the pandemic look very mild, he said."The news is certainly better than it was in May and even better than it was at the beginning of August," Lipsitch said.And what the WHO has been saying since May:http://www.cidrapforum.org/cidrap/content/influenza/swineflu/news/may1109severity.htmlMay 11, 2009 (CIDRAP News) – The World Health Organization (WHO) today said the novel H1N1 influenza (swine flu) virus seems to be more contagious than seasonal flu, but it generally causes "very mild illness" in otherwise healthy people.Don't believe the hype. Swine flu is milder then regular flu. We will all be ok. As I said, next year we will be rolling our eyes at the NEXT crazy flu that apparently reared it's ugly head.
Quote from: LatinoHeat on November 27, 2009, 03:21:55 PMFrom the same WHO that said:http://www.who.int/dg/speeches/2009/emro_regional_committee_20091005/en/index.htmlAddress to the Regional Committee for the Eastern Mediterranean (56th session)Dr Margaret ChanDirector-General of the World Health Organization[...]To date, we have been fortunate in the way the influenza pandemic has evolved. Outbreaks initially spread in countries with good surveillance and reporting systems. Data have been quickly generated and shared. Parts of the world are now entering a second wave of spread with a reasonably good body of knowledge and experience.The overall picture remains largely reassuring. The overwhelming majority of cases continue to experience mild illness and recover fully within a week, even without any form of medical treatment. We have no signs, at either the epidemiological or the virological level, that the virus has mutated to a more virulent form. Despite the administration of many millions of doses of the antiviral drug, oseltamivir, fewer than 30 instances of drug-resistant virus have been detected worldwide.Interesting. Mild illness. Full recovery in a week without medical treatment. From Reuters:http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE58E6NZ20090916Swine flu death rate similar to seasonal flu: expertReutersWASHINGTON (Reuters) - The death rate from the pandemic H1N1 swine flu is likely lower than earlier estimates, an expert in infectious diseases said on Wednesday.New estimates suggest that the death rate compares to a moderate year of seasonal influenza, said Dr Marc Lipsitch of Harvard University."It's mildest in kids. That's one of the really good pieces of news in this pandemic," Lipsitch told a meeting of flu experts being held by the U.S. Institute of Medicine."Barring any changes in the virus, I think we can say we are in a category 1 pandemic. This has not become clear until fairly recently."The Pandemic Severity Index set by the U.S. government has five categories of pandemic, with a category 1 being comparable to a seasonal flu epidemic.Seasonal flu has a death rate of less than 0.1 percent -- but still manages to kill 250,000 to 500,000 people globally every year.A category 5 pandemic would compare to the 1918 flu pandemic, which had an estimated death rate of 2 percent or more, and would kill tens of million of people.Lipsitch took information from around the world on how many people had reported they had influenza-like illness, which may or may not actually be influenza; government reports of actual hospitalizations and confirmed deaths.He came up with a range of mortality from swine flu, from 0.007 percent to 0.045 percent.Either way, having new information about how many people were infected and did not become severely ill or die makes the pandemic look very mild, he said."The news is certainly better than it was in May and even better than it was at the beginning of August," Lipsitch said.And what the WHO has been saying since May:http://www.cidrapforum.org/cidrap/content/influenza/swineflu/news/may1109severity.htmlMay 11, 2009 (CIDRAP News) – The World Health Organization (WHO) today said the novel H1N1 influenza (swine flu) virus seems to be more contagious than seasonal flu, but it generally causes "very mild illness" in otherwise healthy people.Don't believe the hype. Swine flu is milder then regular flu. We will all be ok. As I said, next year we will be rolling our eyes at the NEXT crazy flu that apparently reared it's ugly head.As mentioned earlier, the concern is NOT that this is the 1918 epidemic strain, but rather it will mutate to a more aggressive form. It is important to note that almost all of the most severe influenza outbreaks have been H1N1 strains, therefore and increased concern. This coupled with the extraordinarily high mortality rate IN CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN(an unusual pattern), led to a strong push for immunization. LH, I don't really care if you immunize or not. Really. That's your business. Just don't distribute blatantly false information, tainting others' attempts at determining the what they want to do.
LH here are the actual numbers, in graphical form. USA CDC. # of Pediatric deaths 2006-7, 2007-8, 2008-9 and the current season (which isn't even half over yet). May not look high to you, but I think most would agree, it's extraordinarily high.(Image removed from quote.)Edit to add: Some of the later 2008-2009 deaths may have been H1N1 as well, but were not tested as such and simply lumped into the seasonal influenza deaths of 2008-2009
Look, I'm done with this. Do as you like, keep posting graphs that show this is NOT extraordinary if you'd like, and telling people the WHO and other organizations are lying. I am done. Graphs tell me nothing. In the end, ANYTHING I read online or see on TV tells me nothing, because in the end, how do we know? How do we know any of it is legit? I observe with my own two eyes, and what I have observed first hand is that this things is not bad. Our bodies are totally capable if handling it if we are healthy, and very few worldwide will die. I will not return to this thread until next year, when we can but heads again over the next great viral killer that I won't be vaccinating against. See ya then!
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