Are SAKs Multi Tools

[yud]

Are SAKs Multi Tools

now I know there is this out there http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,16204.msg306947.html#msg306947

But since the SAK is a TOOL with MULTIple functions

Hath not a SAK eyes? Hath not a SAK hands, organs,
dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with
the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject
to the same diseases, heal'd by the same means,
warm'd and cool'd by the same winter and summer
as a pair of pliers is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?
If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us,
do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that.
If a SAK wrong a pair of pliers, what is his humility?
Revenge. If a a pair of pliers wrong a SAK, what should his
sufferance be by a pair of pliers example? Why, revenge.
The villainy you teach me, I will execute,
and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.
{The Merchant of Venice, Act III, scene I}



"It is obvious to the most simpleminded that Lokai is of an inferior breed."
"The obvious visual evidence, Commissioner, is that he is of the same breed as yourself."
Bele and Spock


Please remember Rev. King Ph.D
"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that SAK and MT are created equal.'"

"Let freedom ring. And when this happens, and when we allow freedom ring—when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's tools SAK and MT—will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

[Zed]

I said yes, as a SAK has lots of tools , (multi)

paul

[Benner]

Well although I wrote what you are referring to  , I thought I'd chime in anyway.

For me, no they are not.  A SAK is a SAK just like a MT is a MT.  You wouldn't call a PST a SAK would ya?  So I wouldn't call a Swisschamp for example a multitool either.

In our world we all know better than your average Joe so IMO we "define" differently.  Just the same as we would never imagine calling all plier based tools leathermans (like we commonly hear), I see no reason why we should classify SAK's the same either.

[Gadget Guy]

I say a multi needs pliers to be a real tool, so I said no.  

[Styerman]

I vote yes . They seem to have multiple tools , last I checked . Multi's don't have to be plier based . Watch out for Benner , he'll be along with the big red button any moment now !

Chris

[Benner]

I vote yes . They seem to have multiple tools , last I checked . Multi's don't have to be plier based . Watch out for Benner , he'll be along with the big red button any moment now !

Chris

 

This really is all up to interpretation. No right or wrong answers here.  The classification above is what I use when I refer to things.

[GraysonK]

I agree with Ben.  If you can't use the terms interchangeably, ie a LM Kick can be called a SAK and a climber can be called a LM (universal name for MT's for the uninformed ie people not on this forum ) then SAK's are not MT's.  They are multi functional, yes, but "multitool" or "leatherman" is used to describe most plier based tools, at least where I come from.  If people see a multi function knife (like the Columbia one I got for Christmas) they say "hey you've got a swiss army knife" not "hey, nice multi tool".  It just doesn't go both ways.  I suppose that puts a fine point on things and in the grand scheme of things probably really doesn't matter, but that's my $0.02.  

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Nope a sak is definitely not an MT imo

[yud]

Well although I wrote what you are referring to  , I thought I'd chime in anyway.

For me, no they are not.  A SAK is a SAK just like a MT is a MT.  You wouldn't call a PST a SAK would ya?  So I wouldn't call a Swisschamp for example a multitool either.

I look at it this way "All dogs are not labs, but all labs are dogs"

[Magnus]

Noun
multitool (plural multitools)
   1. A portable hand tool that combines several individual functions in a single assembly, such as a Swiss Army knife.

from here

multi tool is anything with multiple tools, a SAK is just a sub type of multi-tool.

to put it another way:
all SAKs are multitools
however not all multitools are SAKs.

[Benner]

Noun
multitool (plural multitools)
   1. A portable hand tool that combines several individual functions in a single assembly, such as a Swiss Army knife.

from here

multi tool is anything with multiple tools, a SAK is just a sub type of multi-tool.

to put it another way:
all SAKs are multitools
however not all multitools are SAKs.

And if that's how you classify them, then good on ya.  I just don't.

[P35]

Well although I wrote what you are referring to  , I thought I'd chime in anyway.

For me, no they are not.  A SAK is a SAK just like a MT is a MT.  You wouldn't call a PST a SAK would ya?  So I wouldn't call a Swisschamp for example a multitool either.

In our world we all know better than your average Joe so IMO we "define" differently.  Just the same as we would never imagine calling all plier based tools leathermans (like we commonly hear), I see no reason why we should classify SAK's the same either.

I agree with Benner, when I think multitool,  I think Leatherman PST and it's many variations. To me a SAK is a knive with other functions

[Mr. Whippy]

I view Multitool as the superset of tools with multiple functional units.

They can then be subdivided into SAK style multitools, "Leatherman Style" multitools and miscellaneous multitools.

SAK style is fairly self explanatory

"Leatherman Style" are all the myriad ways of making a pliers/scissors based multitool (ala PST heritage). I include Swisstools, SOGs, Gerbers, CRKT Zilla tools, Leathermans, Kobalt, Schrade and the like

Miscellaneous includes CRKT Guppie, Flux, Some of the novel Gerber tools, One piece tools, Utilikeys etc.

That's just how I mentally break down the category MULTITOOL.

[Dunc]

Don't most Victorinox boxes have the word Multi tool on them ? 

Dunc

[Benner]

Don't most Victorinox boxes have the word Multi tool on them ? 

Dunc

They also claim to have phillips drivers, but look how those turned out. 

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Don't most Victorinox boxes have the word Multi tool on them ? 

Dunc

They also claim to have phillips drivers, but look how those turned out. 

Beat the heretic

[J-sews]

I view Multitool as the superset of tools with multiple functional units.

They can then be subdivided into SAK style multitools, "Leatherman Style" multitools and miscellaneous multitools.

SAK style is fairly self explanatory

"Leatherman Style" are all the myriad ways of making a pliers/scissors based multitool (ala PST heritage). I include Swisstools, SOGs, Gerbers, CRKT Zilla tools, Leathermans, Kobalt, Schrade and the like

Miscellaneous includes CRKT Guppie, Flux, Some of the novel Gerber tools, One piece tools, Utilikeys etc.

That's just how I mentally break down the category MULTITOOL.

I agree entirely with that Mr W.

[Benner]

It was a cheap shot, so it was obvious I was going to take it.  

[yud]

Don't most Victorinox boxes have the word Multi tool on them ? 

Dunc

They also claim to have phillips drivers, but look how those turned out. 

the one on my Champion works quite well thank you

it dose I just checked it said "7 function Multi-tool" in the lower corner

[Dunc]

Don't most Victorinox boxes have the word Multi tool on them ? 

Dunc

They also claim to have phillips drivers, but look how those turned out. 

Leatherman claim to use Stainless steel , look how that turned out 


Dunc

[Benner]

LOL 

Actually They do Stain-less.  Vic just lied. 

[Gareth]

LOL 

Actually They do Stain-less.  Vic just lied. 

  Before this goes totally OT.

I agree with Yud that in all ways a SAK meets the definition of a multitool and I don't think anyone can realistically disagree.  However in the interests of clarity I think it is easier to have distinctions.  So a pliers based multitool is a MT, a Swiss Army Knife is a SAK, an Atwood is a One Piece Tool etc.

So is a SAK a multitool? Yes, without a doubt. 

Will I be calling it a SAK or a MT?  It's a SAK of course.

[Neil]

LOL 

Actually They do Stain-less.  Vic just lied. 

  Before this goes totally OT.

I agree with Yud that in all ways a SAK meets the definition of a multitool and I don't think anyone can realistically disagree.  However in the interests of clarity I think it is easier to have distinctions.  So a pliers based multitool is a MT, a Swiss Army Knife is a SAK, an Atwood is a One Piece Tool etc.

So is a SAK a multitool? Yes, without a doubt. 

Will I be calling it a SAK or a MT?  It's a SAK of course.

What Gareth said about sums it up

Don't most Victorinox boxes have the word Multi tool on them ? 

Dunc

They also claim to have phillips drivers, but look how those turned out. 

Beat the heretic

Ooh can we all join in

Hey Ben 

[Craig]

What Gareth said

[joebw]

Like Bob, I agree with Mr. W.

Best - Joe

[Vadim]

I vote yes. All SAKs are multitools,however not all multitools are SAKs. Nice,Magnus

[ufox9al]

A SAK is definitely a multitool, whether it has pliers or not. Claiming that to be called a multitool the tool must have pliers, and that excludes SAKs makes no sense because:
a) Some multitools have folding scissors (or, hopefully soon, side-cutters), and are accepted as multitools
b) Many SAKs have small pliers
c) Wenger's NewRanger series have "full-size" folding pliers as a layer.
There was a half-reasonable classification by Benner which stated that, since SAKs are a category of its own, the definition of "multitool" is actually "miltitools that are not SAKs". I do not subscribe to this convention, but if others like it, so be it.
 

[yud]

Also IF multitool the tool must have pliers what do you do with something like a Swiss Card

[Zed]

A swiss champ has pliers  surly its in the name MULTI (TOOLS)  nothing about MULTI + pliers  surly there is room for the good old SAK  and there is a high percentage saying yes,although i can see what folk mean, i call my SAK a SAK not a multitool, but then i call my LM a LM not a multi tool , if i had a sog i would call it a sog, this is confusing and now on brain overload 

paul

[David]

I voted no. Most of the way I view this issue has been already stated by others.