Are SAKs Multi Tools

[sardauker]

I think it's pretty black and white to me. A multitool has multiple tools, hence the name. Pliers are one of the many possible tools. I consider a SAK with more than just blades (such as the screwdriver/bottle-opener/can-opener) to have multiple uses besides just a knife and a SAK with only blades is just a folding knife.

Exactly my point

[AHB]

In my book it doesn't matter if a SAK has multiple tools, it is still a SAK...  
Just a Swiss Army Knife with tools..  

[Benner]

In my book it doesn't matter if a SAK has multiple tools, it is still a SAK...  
Just a Swiss Army Knife with tools..  

A SAK is still a SAK even if it has 1000 functions in my book as well.

All this definition talk is all very well and good, but it gives a definition for the masses and for your average Joe.  What I am talking about is for guys in the know like us and for us I'd say a SAK is a SAK and a MT is a MT and a couple of people that have voted yes have talked along similar lines as well.

[Benner]

A couple of other things to consider...

We have multitool.org AND sosakonline.  If SAK's were simply MT's why have both?

We have a SAKwiki and a MTwiki and there are no SAK's on the MT one at all.  Again if they were all MT's why have both?

Bottom line is, I do think quite a few of you that have voted yes are thinking to broadly and not in our little world as the bottom line is that if I flashed this;


...on the screen you all think SAK and not MT.

Oh and BTW, that pic was taken from heinnies from the "knife" section as they don't have SAK's in the tool section. 

That's where I stand anyway (not that it matters at all of course). 

[AHB]

That's where I stand anyway (not that it matters at all of course). 

I'm with Benner.   (not that it matters at all of course)  

Well said,  I thought of posting something similar, but couldn't get the right angle..

[Freudian Frog]

Bottom line is, I do think quite a few of you that have voted yes are thinking to broadly and not in our little world as the bottom line is that if I flashed this;
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...on the screen you all think SAK and not MT.

Flawed logic. If you flashed a kick or a blast many of us would think Leatherman first. If you flashed a box of tissues some of us would think kleenex. SAK is very much a label for a brand(s) or a type of product. Not only that, it could be considered a subgroup or secondary label for a multi-tool. Just because we think of it first doesn't mean it doesn't fall under other categories. =|

Any type of SAK (except for a solo or setinel... or that ranger... anything else I'm missing?) is a multi-tool BY DEFINITION.

[AHB]

Any type of SAK (except for a solo or setinel) is a multi-tool BY DEFINITION.

No it isn't...  


 

[Neil]

Any type of SAK (except for a solo or setinel) is a multi-tool BY DEFINITION.

No it isn't...  


 

Oh yes it is ... 

[Freudian Frog]

Any type of SAK (except for a solo or setinel) is a multi-tool BY DEFINITION.

No it isn't...  


 

I ASKED JEEVES, THE END ALL OF ALL END ALLS.

A multi-tool is a tool which includes several tools in one, so that it can serve a variety of functions.

SO THERE.

[Benner]

I love how you just happened to forget my other bits in that post Froggy.  

Oh and no I don't see it as flawed logic personally.  Do you ever think, hmmm look at that SAK multitool?  I bet you do with LM, Gerber, CRKT and all the others though ey  

[Freudian Frog]

I love how you just happened to forget my other bits in that post Froggy.  

Oh and no I don't see it as flawed logic personally.  Do you ever think, hmmm look at that SAK multitool?  I bet you do with LM, Gerber, CRKT and all the others though ey  

Uhh, yes, acutally. I find not a lot of people around me are used to the acronyms you folk are so I usually just say multitool. Or Swiss multitool.

And I left out the rest of your post because it was useless drivel.
As there is no standards body the creation of two sites were based on Def's opinion (not even, maybe for a technical reason or on a whim)... that being said I've often wanted sosak to just fall under mt.org... would make my life easier. I rarely associate with SOSAK because I'm lazy. And there's enough SAK people on here anyway. =P

Actually, by your reasoning since SAKs are mentioned on MT.org, the SAK is indeed a multi-tool.

EDIT: WHY ARE YOU ARGUING AGAINST JEEVE'S LAW?!

[Neil]

I love how you just happened to forget my other bits in that post Froggy.  

Oh and no I don't see it as flawed logic personally.  Do you ever think, hmmm look at that SAK multitool?  I bet you do with LM, Gerber, CRKT and all the others though ey  

But we are geeks; if you show us a picture of a Blast we instinctively call it a Blast, that's also a LM, that's also a MT.  If you show a Farmer, we see a Farmer, that's also a Vic, that's also a SAK, that is also a MT.

[Benner]

It is separate as they are 2 different things (again IMO).  The only MT's by Vic are the Spirit, Swisstool etc and like on the wiki, that is why you only see those on there and not a huge list of SAK's.

But this again is just my opinion.

[Benner]

I love how you just happened to forget my other bits in that post Froggy.  

Oh and no I don't see it as flawed logic personally.  Do you ever think, hmmm look at that SAK multitool?  I bet you do with LM, Gerber, CRKT and all the others though ey  

But we are geeks; if you show us a picture of a Blast we instinctively call it a Blast, that's also a LM, that's also a MT.  If you show a Farmer, we see a Farmer, that's also a Vic, that's also a SAK, that is also a MT.

My point is that I don't.

When I say saw a Kick, in my head I see a 'Leatherman Kick multitool', I never see a "Vic Farmer SAK Multitool'  it is just a 'Vic Farmer SAK'.

[Benner]

I love how you just happened to forget my other bits in that post Froggy.  

Oh and no I don't see it as flawed logic personally.  Do you ever think, hmmm look at that SAK multitool?  I bet you do with LM, Gerber, CRKT and all the others though ey  

Uhh, yes, acutally. I find not a lot of people around me are used to the acronyms you folk are so I usually just say multitool. Or Swiss multitool.

And I left out the rest of your post because it was useless drivel.
As there is no standards body the creation of two sites were based on Def's opinion (not even, maybe for a technical reason or on a whim)... that being said I've often wanted sosak to just fall under mt.org... would make my life easier. I rarely associate with SOSAK because I'm lazy. And there's enough SAK people on here anyway. =P

Actually, by your reasoning since SAKs are mentioned on MT.org, the SAK is indeed a multi-tool.

EDIT: WHY ARE YOU ARGUING AGAINST JEEVE'S LAW?!

So are bags, phones, hair cuts, dogs cats.... are they multitools as well then?  No. Just because it's discussed here makes no odds.

And again you are looking at a definition aimed at the average Joe user.  We aren't those here.

[GraysonK]

I love how you just happened to forget my other bits in that post Froggy.  

Oh and no I don't see it as flawed logic personally.  Do you ever think, hmmm look at that SAK multitool?  I bet you do with LM, Gerber, CRKT and all the others though ey  

But we are geeks; if you show us a picture of a Blast we instinctively call it a Blast, that's also a LM, that's also a MT.  If you show a Farmer, we see a Farmer, that's also a Vic, that's also a SAK, that is also a MT.

I agreed with you until the SAK, that is also a MT.    I'm still with Ben on this one.  Yeah, technically a SAK "could" be considered an MT, but it's such a distinctive brand and recognizable product that I just can't call it a MT.  Spirit, Swisstool...those are MT's, IMO.    

[Neil]

I can see where you're coming from, there are so many different SAKs that splitting them off as a group makes a lot of sense.  Its just that the group is a sub-group of MT.  I think of the one piece tools in a similar light, a Metwrench is an Atwood, is a OPT and is also a MT.

[Whoey]

A couple of other things to consider...

We have multitool.org AND sosakonline.  If SAK's were simply MT's why have both?

We have a SAKwiki and a MTwiki and there are no SAK's on the MT one at all.  Again if they were all MT's why have both?

Bottom line is, I do think quite a few of you that have voted yes are thinking to broadly and not in our little world as the bottom line is that if I flashed this;
(Image removed from quote.)

...on the screen you all think SAK and not MT.

Oh and BTW, that pic was taken from heinnies from the "knife" section as they don't have SAK's in the tool section. 

That's where I stand anyway (not that it matters at all of course). 

Ford & Chevy are both cars, but why do some people prefer a corvette and others a pickup truck? they are both vehicles...

I think the main reason for 2 wikis is that the SAK wiki is dedicated to the many many varieties of SAKs. The reason for not including SAKs in the MT wiki, well, there's already a great SAK wiki, so why double up the work? At the end of the day, people will argue that the original SAK was more a knife than multitool... yet you have things like this:

[John]

scientific test  
I showed my Nephew a picture of four items SAk,MT a pair of boxer shorts and a pair of lady's knickers  

When asked pick the MT he did  

when asked pick the SAK he did  

I did this test 10 times and he got it right 10/10

Test conclusion a SAK is a SAK and a MT a MT  

when asked to pick out the boxer shorts he failed    I decided to end the test immediately to save him any further embarrassment  

 

[Benner]

John, seems we need more scientific tests like that 

[Neil]

 

Poor lad

Reminds me of a couple of years back when I was overtaking a big Victorinox lorry on the A1.  I said to my youngest (then three) "what do you think is in there?", he paused for a moment and said...... "Leathermans"

[AHB]

John, seems we need more scientific tests like that 

+1  
Glad someone finally put a scientific angle on this..  

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Ohh, Franken-SAK...  
It's still a SAK..  

[GraysonK]

John, seems we need more scientific tests like that 

Gave me a great idea:
I'm going to take a cadet, a farmer, an explorer, swiss champ, KF4, Pulse, folding utility knife, case pocket knife, and helmsman to work.  Gonna lay them out and ask different people to identify them.  See what happens.  Hmmm, might get into trouble for that.  Oh, I'll take a pic of all those and post them on Facebook...ask people to identify them.  That might be fun.  

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Why does Ben have to keep defending his position when he's clearly right

[John]

At your service guys  

I hope to bring you more scientific tests,it's the only way forward really  

[Freudian Frog]

Plenty of people identify cars wrong... doesn't stop making them cars, nor whatever manfacturer they are. >=(

And sorry, if you're being serious about the "scientific" part of that test I'm going to have to let the handle fly, into your face!

[GraysonK]

This reminds me of the "Pop/Soda" debate.  LOL! 

[Freudian Frog]

This reminds me of the "Pop/Soda" debate.  LOL!  

Since some call it Soda Pop can we just call them Multitool SAKs?

[Whoey]

Why does Ben have to keep defending his position when he's clearly right

no amount of hair putty can achieve that.

[AHB]

Why does Ben have to keep defending his position when he's clearly right

No doubt about that..