schrade tough tool variations

[scrappy]

So I am looking for someone who knows about the schrade tools. I know the original was laminated or riveted and a later USA model was made with solid pliers not laminated. I just realized my tools have different wire scrapper blades. One is a sheep foot blade and the newer model has a shorter blade with a V wire stripper. Did all the newer models use the different blade or is it random?

The newer Chinese models use the old sheep foot blade.

[J-sews]

I've found at least four distinct variations of the old Schrade ST1 scrappy. The info and pictures are all compiled on the Wiki page here:

https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=ST1+Tough+Tool+variations



Pics of the different plier heads:

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Bob
Thanks. I have series 3 and 4 but I have two tools that are either 1 or 2. How do I tell if the middle plier is cast? Here are specs.
Tool 1
Mat finish
Upside down USA
Handle pat pend
left handle can opener phillips hook thing knife file
Right handle ruler saw scrapper two screwdrivers

Tool 2
Polished finish
List of patents
Tools are the same
Plier pivot sticks out more than tool 1.
Plier teeth are lined up perfect from one piece to another. On tool one they are off a little leaving me to believe they were ground separately.

I think both are gen 2 but one has a gen 1 handle and pivot
Neither have laminated parts at the pivot

[Chako]

The only one I have is definitely a series 1.

You know, I keep forgetting that there were so many variations with the older Schrade MTs. I should make note and try and hunt them down someday. 

After looking at the Encyclopedia article, mine has a slightly different handle tool set from all the ones listed.

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Chako
How is yours different?

[Chako]

Mine is a series one plier head and handles with the tool selection very much like a series 2 for location but with series one tools (serrated blade instead of series 2 saw), except for the can opener that has the nail nick of a series two. Mine is probably a transition model.

Here are some new photos of it.

[SlackOne]

Bob
Thanks. I have series 3 and 4 but I have two tools that are either 1 or 2. How do I tell if the middle plier is cast? Here are specs.

I thought that the big difference between s1 and s2 was the number of layers that contributed to the hinge.  So on an S1 plier, the top layer is part of the hinge, the middle layer is also, but the bottom is just a riveted-on plate.  On S2s, only the middle of the plier head is part of the hinge, and the other two layers are both riveted-on plates.  On S3 each plier jaw is one cast piece with decorative "rivets", and S4 don't even bother with the facade.

[J-sews]

Bob
Thanks. I have series 3 and 4 but I have two tools that are either 1 or 2. How do I tell if the middle plier is cast? Here are specs.

I thought that the big difference between s1 and s2 was the number of layers that contributed to the hinge.  So on an S1 plier, the top layer is part of the hinge, the middle layer is also, but the bottom is just a riveted-on plate.  On S2s, only the middle of the plier head is part of the hinge, and the other two layers are both riveted-on plates.  On S3 each plier jaw is one cast piece with decorative "rivets", and S4 don't even bother with the facade.

That's how I took it as well


Looks like there are some transition models though. (which isn't really surprising when you think about it)

[ryan1835]

i like the laminated look wonder what the thinking was

[J-sews]

I'm thinking it was suitability of manufacture. Schrade was a huge knifemaker, and they probably had loads of big stamping presses sitting around. So they stamped the plier bits out of sheet metal and riveted the layers together, instead of buying one-piece castings from the outside.

[grimm_kaosboy]

Well, looking at mine it is definately a series two, with standard tool load out. Thanks guys for the info, that's why I love this site!

[Chako]

I just ordered a junky series 4 Taylor ST1. I am prepared to be astounded at the quality of it, but I guess I needed one sooner or later. Now on the hunt for a series 2 and 3...added to the bucket list.

[SlackOne]

I'm always hoping to find a ST5E in some bin at a flea market.  A multi with adjustable pliers is still a favorite idea of mine, even if the ST5E is the size of a Toyota...

[J-sews]

I'm always hoping to find a ST5E in some bin at a flea market.  A multi with adjustable pliers is still a favorite idea of mine, even if the ST5E is the size of a Toyota...

It's a big ol' fatboy alright.

[scrappy]

But it has to be one of the toughest tools out there.

[Tsquare]

I saw one of the new ones with a pair of scissors. It was black coated.  Looks to be poor quality compared to the ones made under Schrade originally.

[J-sews]

The black on those is like a paint, not black oxide. 

[J-sews]

But it has to be one of the toughest tools out there.

Another cool thing about the ST5; its the only multi that has one jaw-pivot pass through (not alongside) the other jaw pivot.



You just know that has to be stronger.

[scrappy]

It has to be.
When the st1 was released the pliers were thicker than the supertool and they are laminated. The tool length closed was longer than a supertool and it was of only a few locking tools on the market. I can see why it was used by tradesman.

[scrappy]

I own six tools and all are different.
Gen 5 black tool with scissor
Gen 4 china st1
Gen 3 USA st1 with solid plier not laminated. Shorter scrapper blade.
Gen 2 usa st1 with laminated pliers and saw
Gen 1 tool with serrated blade.

I do not have a gen 1 tool yet. My two gen 2 tools are different only in the plier pivot and the handle on one has patent numbers and the other does not.
Here is the goofy tool. I just bought it because the handle has no patent and the longer scrapper so I thought it was an older tool but the plier is gen 3, one solid piece.

[J-sews]

That one sounds like a transition model doesn't it? Just like some of the old PST's we've talked about, where the assembly line ran out of some parts before they ran out of others.

[scrappy]

Bob and Chako

I just got a gen one. Can you confirm some differences for me?
The head is different
Serrated blade instead of saw
The knife blade has different serations.
The scraper is sharpened on both sides but on the gen two tool it is sharpened on just one side.
The smallest flat screwdriver is about 1/4 inch shorter on the gen 1 tool vs the gen 2 tool
The phillips one the gen 1 tool is more of a full phillips and on the gen 2 tool it is a flat phillips.