@edap617
funny thing happend when i visited shangrila a few months ago: i was looking at the victorinox display at national book store and i saw something peeking out that was among the empty vic boxes, i thought: "odd that, it's sorta dull red, single layer, and ...RIBBED! it's a red alox pruner! oh my goodness!". i then ask how long has it been there and the lady replies: "ages". i check it, definitely pre 2005 (steel mid rivet, rostfrei). so why wasn't it on display? apparently they didn't think people would buy it since they lost the box. made my day.