Well as some of you may know, i cut up a Wenger gardener as my main survival knife. The thing i didn't like about it was the serrations, 15 minutes with a hand file and they are gone. I have filed the blade into a chisle grind. I am a long, long way from a knife maker, or moder for that matter, and it looks like complete sh*t, but it shaves hair and carves feather sticks. It is a little like a VIC gardener now, with a strong locking blade.