Was there a TTi scale change?

Syph007 · **on:** October 13, 2012, 06:13:32 PM

I saw this on BF. There is no R symbol on the scales.

vs the regular

Carthas · **Reply #1 on:** October 14, 2012, 12:00:08 AM

Mine certainly has the "r" on it, although it is a few years old. While we are on the topic of charge changes, did they change the plier heads as well? I saw one on display the other day that lacked the blasting cap crimpers.

Captain Crunch · **Reply #2 on:** October 14, 2012, 02:39:26 AM

I bought mine new this summer and it has no "R" symbol.

MultiMat · **Reply #3 on:** October 14, 2012, 04:45:31 AM

It is funny on LM's website the TTi is shown with out a "R" BUT it has a "TM"

genevabuck · **Reply #4 on:** October 14, 2012, 06:27:53 AM

Wasn't there a thread on this awhile back? Maybe regarding fakes? Not saying that this tool is.

Dunc · **Reply #5 on:** October 14, 2012, 08:46:37 AM

I remember reading something about it on here a while back that LM dropped the R . Don't worry its not a fake .

Metropolicity · **Reply #6 on:** October 14, 2012, 09:59:38 AM

I bet they FINALLY redid the casting mold, the R mold was so old the definition on the letting was getting all blobby.

Raukodur · **Reply #7 on:** October 14, 2012, 02:43:50 PM

Always wondered, wouldn't it make sense for LM to make the ENTIRE scales out of Ti rather than just a slab on the top?

I mean generally MT folks are the type to prefer function over form, and the slabs fly in the face of that. Far as I can see they perform no function OTHER than aesthetics.

The charge is already expensive, how much more would it cost LM to make the scales entirely out of Ti, and even if it did significantly increase their production cost, as a consumer I would be WILLING to pay an extra amount for a charge which REALLY did have Ti scales.

What do you guys think?

Syph007 · **Reply #8 on:** October 14, 2012, 04:47:14 PM

Quote from: Metropolicity on October 14, 2012, 09:59:38 AM

I bet they FINALLY redid the casting mold, the R mold was so old the definition on the letting was getting all blobby.

Ya I bet that's what happened for sure.

Metropolicity · **Reply #9 on:** October 14, 2012, 06:21:05 PM

Quote from: Raukodur on October 14, 2012, 02:43:50 PM

Always wondered, wouldn't it make sense for LM to make the ENTIRE scales out of Ti rather than just a slab on the top?

I mean generally MT folks are the type to prefer function over form, and the slabs fly in the face of that. Far as I can see they perform no function OTHER than aesthetics.

The charge is already expensive, how much more would it cost LM to make the scales entirely out of Ti, and even if it did significantly increase their production cost, as a consumer I would be WILLING to pay an extra amount for a charge which REALLY did have Ti scales.

What do you guys think?

The scale is made entirely from Ti, it's cast as one piece including the spacers for the knife blades and slots for the pocket clip to slide into. It's actually a pretty structural part of the TTi. I find the AL/X construction with the slab and separate washers/spacers to be a little on the fiddlely side, I much prefer the TTi's grip.

Raukodur · **Reply #10 on:** October 14, 2012, 08:06:51 PM

Hmm, now im confused. I had a TTi, and i'm 100% sure the Ti was just the slab on the outside of the tools.

Am I wrong? I've just looked at photos of the TTi, and it confirms what I'm saying.

It makes me think I'm not communicating what I mean very well...

Metropolicity · **Reply #11 on:** October 14, 2012, 10:04:48 PM

Here are some pics. It's a cast part, not just a pressed slab.

You see how the AL has a separate spacer for the knife blades, where as the TTI is integral.

Dunc · **Reply #12 on:** October 14, 2012, 10:08:55 PM

I think what Raukodur means is the Ti slab is bolted on , unlike the Wave who's outside handles are part of the frame as in one continuous piece of metal. One thing I don't like about the charges is the way the Ti scale slips about, on most examples I've had you can move the scales with you fingers.

Raukodur · **Reply #13 on:** October 14, 2012, 11:25:45 PM

If we take the tool handles to be made of the handles themselves, and the tools; is everything apart from the tools, titanium?

That is what I would expect if someone told me a tool had titanium handles.

Syph007 · **Reply #14 on:** October 15, 2012, 12:02:39 AM

I think what you're getting at is, does the tool actually benefit from the Ti? No. Its just marketing junk IMO. Cast Ti is horrible too. You wouldnt make whole tool handles from cast Ti, that wouldnt be sturcturally strong, nor a proper alloy as far as I understand.

You could fold a heavy guage of Ti alloy to form handles but that would not be easy or cheap. You could also mill them from solid Ti, but that would be very very expensive. It would easily be a $250 tool at that point, but in theory be lighter than a steel version. Fails the the consumer cost/benefit analysis at that point. The only 'benefit' as far as I can see of having the Ti scales at all, is they wear pretty well, but the tool isnt taking advantage of the properties of the material.

chris777 · **Reply #15 on:** October 18, 2012, 05:38:40 AM

My TTI is a late 11 model, with 10/11. and 11/11 stamped handles. (unless its a refurb) It has the R handles and the definition in the text and the edges is actually rather sharp. When I Got it I was shocked at how sharp it was just in the frame around the text. The only Issue besides the gunk in the handles keeping the blades and pliers from opening smoothly, which a little mineral oil has seemingly fixed, is the s30v blade grind is wonky and uneven. Never understood that considering its price point. Its slightly chubbier than the wave, but more comfortable in the hand, which was my main reason for upgrading. Oh and the saw blade and scissor handles are thinner than my wave.

e_erzan · **Reply #16 on:** November 24, 2012, 05:29:16 PM

My old charge 2010 production has LEATHERMAN®Charge® , wherelse my new 24k has no ® logo at all,only LEATHERMAN Charge ...it could be that the new batch only will not have the ® logo embossed, and one more thing i noticed that the new one without the ® has a even and smooth finish compared to the older batch that has the ® thats more "rough" finish

Syph007 · **Reply #17 on:** November 24, 2012, 06:22:34 PM

A leatherman rep posted on a different forum then did indeed drop that R tradmark, and was surprised anyone noticed lol. We notice everything!

Metropolicity · **Reply #18 on:** December 07, 2012, 03:07:03 AM

Quote from: Syph007 on October 15, 2012, 12:02:39 AM

Cast Ti is horrible too.

When I milled off the surface of the Ti scales for my latest project, the Ti scales were FULL of small cavity, unpure pour or poor alloys indeed! Luckily, the scales aren structural or else these would fail pretty hard.

Syph007 · **Reply #19 on:** December 07, 2012, 03:09:30 AM

Quote from: Metropolicity on December 07, 2012, 03:07:03 AM

Quote from: Syph007 on October 15, 2012, 12:02:39 AM
Cast Ti is horrible too.

When I milled off the surface of the Ti scales for my latest project, the Ti scales were FULL of small cavity, unpure pour or poor alloys indeed! Luckily, the scales aren structural or else these would fail pretty hard.

Yup that sounds about right. You can always mill your own someday from proper bar stock Ti.

I bought that expensive wenger Ti scaled SAK and when I noticed it was cast Ti I was so disgusted I returned it. Ti for that purpose is just marketing, its not imparting any value to the tool.

Metropolicity · **Reply #20 on:** December 07, 2012, 03:12:15 AM

Quote from: Syph007 on December 07, 2012, 03:09:30 AM

Quote from: Metropolicity on December 07, 2012, 03:07:03 AM
Quote from: Syph007 on October 15, 2012, 12:02:39 AM
Cast Ti is horrible too.

When I milled off the surface of the Ti scales for my latest project, the Ti scales were FULL of small cavity, unpure pour or poor alloys indeed! Luckily, the scales aren structural or else these would fail pretty hard.

Yup that sounds about right. You can always mill your own someday from proper bar stock Ti.

I bought that expensive wenger Ti scaled SAK and when I noticed it was cast Ti I was so disgusted I returned it. Ti for that purpose is just marketing, its not imparting any value to the tool.

Yah def. I think I'll try and CAD up scales and get them shapewayed in bronze or something...maybe with some designed pockets and slots...oh but I have to find time!

Schwibsi · **Reply #21 on:** December 07, 2012, 11:16:11 AM

You're gonna laugh.

I just bought a Charge TTI, on one side there are the (R)s on the other side they aren't.
But then again it is very odd because the blade says 154CM instead of S30V.

Already talked to the Leatherman service here in Germany. They'll take a look at the blade.

Metropolicity · **Reply #22 on:** December 07, 2012, 04:03:44 PM

Quote from: Schwibsi on December 07, 2012, 11:16:11 AM

You're gonna laugh.

I just bought a Charge TTI, on one side there are the (R)s on the other side they aren't.
But then again it is very odd because the blade says 154CM instead of S30V.

Already talked to the Leatherman service here in Germany. They'll take a look at the blade.

That maybe a charge Ti. The Ti had 154cm blades before they moved to a s30v. They retired it and replaced it with a TTi.

Zed · **Reply #23 on:** December 07, 2012, 04:15:51 PM

I was thinking that Eric

ill have to check my ti's scales later

Metropolicity · **Reply #24 on:** December 07, 2012, 05:50:16 PM

Quote from: Zed on December 07, 2012, 04:15:51 PM

I was thinking that Eric ill have to check my ti's scales later

I REALLY wish the pivot holes were a little bit tighter. What I think is that the cast is just made with oblong holes, the whole thing tossed in a vibrating tumbler to get the flashing off and then they get slapped on the tools.

The play on them is really sloppy...at min a whole 0.5mm. Most people wouldn't care, but when you are modding and finding the smallest of cavities for say...a pen...those .05mm's count!

Zed · **Reply #25 on:** December 09, 2012, 11:35:58 AM

Nope my Ti has R on both sides

Mercury · **Reply #26 on:** December 09, 2012, 09:19:45 PM

The only TTi I have owned was by far the tightest, most well made non-vic tool I have ever owned. I loved it!

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