Artisan dating

[GigaHz]

I didn't know they made these for so long that they could be so different.

[ICanFixThat]

 

Really nice!
Just last week I discovered that the Artisan name was also used in the US in 70s.

I'd love to have those in my collection.

[ColoSwiss]

It was also sold as the Craftsman (# 17-014). The horn-handled version was sold as the Golfer.

[Wootz]

I didn't know they made these for so long that they could be so different.

I count 5 

[GigaHz]

2 more than I saw.

[Wootz]

saw
scissors
screwdriver
stamp tang
stock thickness
scales solid

6

[Wootz]

spam opener 7

[GigaHz]

The layer order is different.

[Wootz]

Yes, that's obvious 

[GigaHz]

Not seeing the screw diff?

[Wootz]

Ah, in the top pic it looked like beveled on the inside.

Do you prefer the older or the newer version?

[GigaHz]

The older one has seen less use. It is in better shape than the newer one.

[Wootz]

The older models have a better/stronger build quality, don't you think?

[altered.ego]

Not seeing the screw diff?

The nail nick is closer to the edge on the newer model.

[Wootz]

And missing eyelet and tweezers

[GigaHz]

Oops grabed the wrong knife in the last two pictures.

[GigaHz]

[ICanFixThat]

Probably not, but maybe the change in the Saw was a repair.

[J Mackrel Jones]

The saws used to have angled teeth - then the teeth were made perpindicular, still exactly the same distance apart.

[ICanFixThat]

The saws used to have angled teeth - then the teeth were made perpindicular, still exactly the same distance apart.

Yes, but the question is; was this model during the time when this transition took place.  Probably yes; but since the one had some use I just thought I'd throw the question out there.

[J Mackrel Jones]

So did the Woodsman (Huntsman with phillips instead of corkscrew) used to be called the Artisan?  Or does the No Bail make it an Artisan? 
I have a couple of Huntsmen, with bail, scraper arc on caplifter, Victoria stamp, and one has the older angled saw teeth and the other the perpendicular teeth like today.  Otherwise identical knives - except the angled-tooth one has a thicker main blade.  They both have the scissors between the blades and the saw (long nail file on the back).  So the saw change occurred -- after 1951's new can opener, after the hidden rivets of 1961, before the lanyard ring replaces the bail around 1968... 

[GigaHz]

I thought it was the 84mm that made it an Artisan.

[J Mackrel Jones]

Ah ...   The Huntsmen I describe above are 91 mm.
And I notice one other small difference between them: the older one has an alox filler at the base of the small blade, the newer one a nickel-silver filler.

[jazzbass]

I didn't know they made these for so long that they could be so different.

The Artisan was made from the late 1940s/early 1950s to the late 1970s, so a span of almost 30 years. Lots of tool changes over that time period, so lots of variations. Looking at my collection I see 10 different versions - 11 if you count the one with the LNF. The two you show here look to be from the mid 1960s and the early 1970s.

[jazzbass]

So did the Woodsman (Huntsman with phillips instead of corkscrew) used to be called the Artisan?  Or does the No Bail make it an Artisan? 
I have a couple of Huntsmen, with bail, scraper arc on caplifter, Victoria stamp, and one has the older angled saw teeth and the other the perpendicular teeth like today.  Otherwise identical knives - except the angled-tooth one has a thicker main blade.  They both have the scissors between the blades and the saw (long nail file on the back).  So the saw change occurred -- after 1951's new can opener, after the hidden rivets of 1961, before the lanyard ring replaces the bail around 1968...

91mm saw changes track different than 84mm saw changes, and are a LOT more varies between the original style of the mid 1940s and the current style still in use that shows up in the mid/late 1960s. Knives in the late 1940s typically had 27 tooth polished asymmetric saws. In the mid 50s (after the new can opener change) they switch to 39t asym saws. This lasts 5 years or so and changes to the 29t asym saw w/ nail nick shortly after the exposed rivets are phased out (1957 or so). The 29t asym saw loses it's nail nick after a couple years (1960ish) and is now just a fully polished 29t asym saw. This is the saw that was in use when the large awl disappeared in 1962; they shortly thereafter stopped polishing it so there are fully polished and rough machined versions of this saw. In the mid 1960s Victorinox switches to the 29t symmetric saw that they still use to this day.

[GigaHz]

Wealth of knowledge as usual.

[J Mackrel Jones]

Thanks jazzbass     

[ICanFixThat]

Great information!