Watts wrong with Customs and Police in Norway?

[Medic82]

I've never bought a MT or knives from the internet before and decided to take a look at the Norwegian custom website (11 days after I ordered the MT), I know I should have done this before I bought it, butt it's on the way. Started to be a bit nervous as I read along over the stuff that was illegal to import and what needed special permission to import from the police . Well, there was a long list of many different types of knives that was listed as illegal and what needed permission, butt the worst part was that the knives would be confiscated and destroyed. I was almost pissing my pants thinking about them melting a brand new SOG Powerlock.

So I sent them a mail and asked what about MT. I got a pleasant mail from customs saying that the knives that was illegal or needed permission to import was knives that was considered as a violence product and was regulated by the weapon law. And a MT is NOT a violence product.

Butt then I started thinking. It is illegal to carry knives in Norway (and not because of 9/11, just a lot of knife violence). So I called the police and was patched over to the police lawyer . He said that it was illegal to carry a MT with the knife, unless you had an honorable purpose for carrying it, like working as a carpenter or taking a trip to the woods where the MT will come handy.

Butt, the customs don't recognize a MT as a violence product and the police do. Just talked to a different lawyer right now and I explained to him what the customs said and that a MT is not regulated in the weapons law. Butt this lawyer said that he really did not know the answer, he just said that if you were caught wit a MT it just was up too me and how good I was at explaining why I carried it if they are to press charges or not.

I don't know what to believe and I have decided that I will call the police every day until I get a clear answer, and when I get it I want it in writing, maybe make a little compartment on the sheet where I can keep it. Until then I will live under the motto that ignoren's is a bliss and just tell them what the customs said too me. I'm a law-abiding citizen and NEVER had any problem with the police and never been stopped by them.

I'm little frustrated that I haven't gotten my SOG yet , ordered it for 12 days ago, and that the police won't give me a straight answer.

[Dunc]

Thats very similar to the law in the UK . Its there to try and stop teenage hoodies stabbing each other ( but please dont let us get in a debate about that ) . I would quit phoning the police as they may start keeping an eye on you  In the UK it depends alot on where you live and how old you are and how you dress . Whatever happens your going to need a reason for carry .
  Just a thought , you know you can buy extra tools for a SOG ? Well you could build a knifeless SOG and be inside the LAW then carry a non locking folder like a SAK with you .

Dunc

[Medic82]

Thats very similar to the law in the UK . Its there to try and stop teenage hoodies stabbing each other ( but please dont let us get in a debate about that ) . I would quit phoning the police as they may start keeping an eye on you  In the UK it depends alot on where you live and how old you are and how you dress . Whatever happens your going to need a reason for carry .
  Just a thought , you know you can buy extra tools for a SOG ? Well you could build a knifeless SOG and be inside the LAW then carry a non locking folder like a SAK with you .

Dunc

Have in fact considering to bye another SOG and make it knifeless. 1: Because of the law and 2: I'm not allowed to use a MT with a knife at work.

I'm a clean cut guy and don't dress like snoopy dog and yell WHAT'S UP B***H!

If the police want to take another look at me they are more than welcome to do so. The police in Oslo keeps a close taps on people that works as securitygards already

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Yeah as Dunc said, it does sound very reminisent of the UK, but as you say, your a clean cut guy so you're not going to draw any unwarented attention to yourself

And also as Dunc pointed out, ringing the police everyday probably isn't the best course of action

Doesn't help with the waiting though does it

[Poncho65]

Sounds like the answers you might get over here in US as well  . I mean about not giving you a straight answer. I could call several depts. over here and get 10 different answers depending on who you talk to and when on many different topics.  At least they aren't as strict about knifes and such yet. I am afraid the way they are headed with so many paranoid ppl that it will be like that here soon. 

[Smitty44]

Keep us posted on how it turns out,but like Dunk said its easy to make a SOG kniveless,good luck,and we are proud that you are a law abiding citizen!!!

[BIG-TARGET]

It's the "big brother/nanny state" alive and sadly well.

[ringzero]

Watts wrong with Customs and Police in Norway?


Probably nothing wrong with Norway's Customs and Police.

The good people of Norway have voted left-wing politicians into power and now they reap what they have sown.

Left-wing politicians are much the same the world over.  Taking away personal freedoms is always at the top their agenda, any time or any place they gain power.

Customs and Police have to carry out the agenda of their political masters, whether they like that agenda or not - otherwise they lose their jobs.

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[Medic82]

Watts wrong with Customs and Police in Norway?


Probably nothing wrong with Norway's Customs and Police.

The good people of Norway have voted left-wing politicians into power and now they reap what they have sown.

Left-wing politicians are much the same the world over.  Taking away personal freedoms is always at the top their agenda, any time or any place they gain power.

Customs and Police have to carry out the agenda of their political masters, whether they like that agenda or not - otherwise they lose their jobs.

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I did not vote left-wing, and never will.

The customs does not consider a MT as a violence product, butt the police do. There is a debate in Norway about the law and that to carry a MT or SAK should be allowed because it is useful to have, and therefore is a honorable purpose for carrying it.

[ultimaonliner]

Yup, it's just wishful thinking that politicians can dream up more regulations and laws to solve all of society's problems.  Most benefits, if any, are short-term, and lead to a long-term decay of personal liberties.

[Medic82]

Yup, it's just wishful thinking that politicians can dream up more regulations and laws to solve all of society's problems.  Most benefits, if any, are short-term, and lead to a long-term decay of personal liberties.

I totally agree with you, and if a person wants to wear a knife because he wants to mug somebody, he's going to wear it anyway. And I don't have the feeling that the police care so much. 1 month ago I was at work on a Friday night, I saw this guy hit another guy right in the face and then he drew a knife. Immediately when he hit the pore guy we started to move towards him, he drew the knife and then he started to run when he saw us. We started running after him ( there were 4 of us) and then I saw a police car, so I walked up to them and said what had happened. I got a cold response from the officer that "Oslo is a big city, just call dispatch and tell them what happened" and then he went back to drinking his coffee. A little shocked from the answer I got, I called the guys that were running after him that they should stop and come back.
Told them what the cops said and they were also shocked.

So, does the ban work?? No. Am I going to follow the law no mater how stupid I think it is? Yeas

[ringzero]

Yup, it's just wishful thinking that politicians can dream up more regulations and laws to solve all of society's problems.  Most benefits, if any, are short-term, and lead to a long-term decay of personal liberties.

Here's an amazing idea:  cops and prosecutors should go after actual violent criminals, rather than inanimate objects like knives.

If you are convicted of using a knife against a human being during the commision of a crime, say during a robbery or a rape, you should get a long stretch of extra prison time with NO exceptions.

Say about 15 years extra for the criminal use of a knife, in ADDITION to the prison sentence you already have coming for robbery or rape.

Most habitual criminals aren't stupid - they are well aware of the possible penalties for the crimes they commit.

If politicians would pass such a law and if it were enforced, word would soon get around in the criminal community and "knife crime" would diminish real fast.

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[Medic82]

What I wanted to point out when I started this topic was that there is obviously no communication between the customs and police here in Norway. The politicians are not in touch with what the citizens of Norway, and probably other countries also, want and need.

They think that just because it says in the law that you can't carry a knife or any form of a implement with a knife on it, you will solve everything. It's illegal to drink and drive, but people do it anyway.

Illegal to carry knives is a good think, but I don't se the sense in banning the carrying of a MT or SAK.

Yup, it's just wishful thinking that politicians can dream up more regulations and laws to solve all of society's problems.  Most benefits, if any, are short-term, and lead to a long-term decay of personal liberties.

Here's an amazing idea:  cops and prosecutors should go after actual violent criminals, rather than inanimate objects like knives.

If you are convicted of using a knife against a human being during the commision of a crime, say during a robbery or a rape, you should get a long stretch of extra prison time with NO exceptions.

Say about 15 years extra for the criminal use of a knife, in ADDITION to the prison sentence you already have coming for robbery or rape.

Most habitual criminals aren't stupid - they are well aware of the possible penalties for the crimes they commit.

If politicians would pass such a law and if it were enforced, word would soon get around in the criminal community and "knife crime" would diminish real fast.

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It's a good idea that I would support if anybody proposed it for the parliament. Butt that's never going to happened, when you are going to jail in Norway it's just like going to summer camp in a confined area with a bunch of bullies. You get your own room with a TV. After you been in jail for a wail you will get leave for a couple of days. Are you sentenced for 5 years you will get out after 2 or 3 years.

[Rodion]

There is a debate in Norway about the law and that to carry a MT or SAK should be allowed because it is useful to have, and therefore is a honorable purpose for carrying it.

Such law is in effect in Israel. Unfortunately, anything with a locking (and, I suspect, stabilizing) blade is considered a knife in a court. Fortunately, none of the security guards I've run into have any idea what the law says and just assume SAKs and multis are legal by definition.

[silentio]

There is a debate in Norway about the law and that to carry a MT or SAK should be allowed because it is useful to have, and therefore is a honorable purpose for carrying it.

Such law is in effect in Israel. Unfortunately, anything with a locking (and, I suspect, stabilizing) blade is considered a knife in a court. Fortunately, none of the security guards I've run into have any idea what the law says and just assume SAKs and multis are legal by definition.

Wow... that's new to me. I was always under the impression that Israelis bring their rifles back home when they are in the military service. Was I mistaken? If that's true, having a ban on locking blades is just plain silly.

Hmm.. on second thought, was that Switzerland where soldiers brought home their weapons?

[Medic82]

Such law is in effect in Israel. Unfortunately, anything with a locking (and, I suspect, stabilizing) blade is considered a knife in a court. Fortunately, none of the security guards I've run into have any idea what the law says and just assume SAKs and multis are legal by definition.

Wow... that's new to me. I was always under the impression that Israelis bring their rifles back home when they are in the military service. Was I mistaken? If that's true, having a ban on locking blades is just plain silly.

Hmm.. on second thought, was that Switzerland where soldiers brought home their weapons?
[/quote]

I think it's in Switzerland

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Yeah the Swiss do, but even they are only aloud slip jointed knives unless there in the military

[Rodion]

Soldiers can and must carry their weapon with them when on leave, they return it upon demobilization. Anyone with a permit can carry a firearm, though permits are generally only available to settlers and ex-soldiers (which is a much smaller segment of the population than you'd think)

Weapons of all sorts are disallowed in public places, unless serving a "kosher" purpose. A SAK or multi ("Olar" in Hebrew refers to both) is considered kosher, unless it has a locking blade. Like I said, nobody will tackle you for carrying a Leatherman. It's mostly a way of preventing thugs with previous offenses from getting out of court for lack of evidence of their latest escapade.

Having said that, if an authority figure racially profiles someone, they have legal backing to put them away for five years on the first offense. That's pretty much why I switched to Utili-keys (I grow a beard once in a while)

And then realized it's probably considered a fixed blade. Oh well, good luck finding it.