Anyone PREFER Wenger Scissors and Pliers to Vics??

[Aloha]

I have a Wenger Tradesman and a Deluxe Tinker which have nearly the same tool sets with the exception of a few.  The plier and scissor tools are quite different, the Wenger has a slip joint and uses a spring bar and the scissors are serrated and also uses a spring bar. 

Anyone prefer these over Vics?  I have been using the Deluxe Tinker and really love the 91mm scissors.  The pliers for me are a super tweezers but they "feel" better but I can't seem to tell a difference in performance for my purposes. 

I guess for me it comes down to the scissors and I prefer the 91mm Vic ones.  I'm going to give the Tradesman another whirl and see if I'm just used to the Vics or if  there is a difference for me.   

[Monrogue]

I have no experience with Wenger pliers, but they look like they would be decent for SAK size anyway.  As for scissors, I prefer the Wenger's spring mechanism, but like the Vic scissors better.  I'm not a big fan of the serrated scissors for some reason, and Vic scissors are excellent.  I just wish they could utilize the Wenger spring lever instead of the springs they use now.

[Aloha]

The Vic scissors are hard to beat for sure.  I'm not sure how well I like the "bounce" of the Wenger spring bar  .  The pliers on the Vic are a great little tool and the Wengers are much the same in performance for me.  I broke the spring on my Swisschamp plier and while I can replace it I was thinking the Wenger bar seems pretty hard to break. 

 

[Monrogue]

Oh yes, the "bounce".  I agree that it seems odd when using the scissors.  I rarely carry my Evogrip 16, so I had forgotten that.  So considering that, I'm not sure if I'd want the Wenger spring lever on Vic scissors if they'd do that bouncing. 

[Fattsgalore]

Vic scissors all the way, but I've been wanting to try the Wenger pliers. Wider is better I learned with pliers.
Thought about purchasing an S557. Want to see how well the pliers and the little wrench work.

If they work reasonably well; well then they'd be mod fodder for sure.
But It's not something that's on my plate for the near or distant future TBH...

[Syph007]

I know there are some diehard wenger scissor fans, but they sure arent for me.  I strongly prefer the Vic versions.  If the wenger ones didnt bounce around when you used them Id like them much more.

[Aloha]

Vic scissors all the way, but I've been wanting to try the Wenger pliers. Wider is better I learned with pliers.
Thought about purchasing an S557. Want to see how well the pliers and the little wrench work.

If they work reasonably well; well then they'd be mod fodder for sure.
But It's not something that's on my plate for the near or distant future TBH...

I too am curios about the wrench. The Wenger pliers are very neat and have a hard wire cutter in addition to regular wire cutter.  I guess for a little tool it's pretty good though I havent cut anything with either tools wire cutters.   

[enki_ck]

Pliers, yes, I prefer the Wengers, although I don't use neither of them too much. The Wengers open much wider and are better designed for such small pliers I think.

Scissors, I like both of them equally for different tasks. I prefer the complete SAK with the Wenger scissors more though but that's probably cause of a few other factors. For instance my favorite SAKs to carry is the Wenger Traveler, I love it, have a few and it's the one that finds its way in my pocket most often. I don't have a Vic Climber though, the most I carryied it was a day or so and I wished the whole time it was a Traveler in my pocket. So it got harvested for parts.

[Caranthanus]

Like this kinda victorinox vs wenger comparing/confrontation 
Lately I'm used to carry a vic's ones (58+91), rarely the wenger ones. Anyway the scissor are not a deal breaker for me  as got minichamp on keychain 

Few weeks ago we said a few words about victorinox/wenger scissors ...
perhaps you'd like to see those thoughts too:
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=50635.0
and some pics, in order as follows:
91mm vic
85mm wenger
58mm vic
65mm wenger

[Nhoj]

I would say I like the scissors of Wenger and vic equally but cannot say I fully prefer one. I do like the overall size of Wenger's knives and comfort of Wenger's smooth backsprings so in the end Wenger wins for me. I still have more vics though

[Aloha]

I like Wenger just fine but after getting the Deluxe Tinker I was thinking about about the Tradesman.  I had stopped carrying it and was trying to figure out why.  I like to have scissors even though I don't use them all that often but when I do I want them to do what they are asked.  I went to cut paracord with the Tradesman and they didn't so out came 91mm and like butter they did the job.  I don't want to think about the right tool for the job sometimes admittedly so whatever I have in hand needs to do the job.  I had a few other scenarios with them performing weakly. I tightened up the screw but still they seemed to temperamental for me. 

I have been very happy with the performance of both the pliers and actually off topic I do prefer the Wenger main blade to the Vics.  The tradesman is used but I couldn't resharpen them if I wanted to could I??     

[ducttapetech]

Have not tried the wenger pliers, but there scissors rock! I like them better than the vics. And the vics are damn good.

that's us mobile

[Jothra]

The Victorinox scissors are beefier for sure, and in all my war-crime-grade tool abusing I only ever broke one of the springs. I was trying to reshape it for some reason. I like 'em.

On the other hand, in a pinch, Wenger scissors make a reasonable fork.

[Aloha]

Ok so I'm at home and making a paracord goodies and went to cut it ( 550 ) and this is what my Tradesman does to it  .  I went to get my Explorer and my Deluxe Tinker and both cut thru cleanly, I even tried my Minichamp 1 and that too cut cleanly albeit it had to get a second bite.  I'm going to make an adjustment to the scissors and try again later.   

[Nhoj]

Ok so I'm at home and making a paracord goodies and went to cut it ( 550 ) and this is what my Tradesman does to it  .  I went to get my Explorer and my Deluxe Tinker and both cut thru cleanly, I even tried my Minichamp 1 and that too cut cleanly albeit it had to get a second bite.  I'm going to make an adjustment to the scissors and try again later.   

Make an adjustment? Are they the old screw type pivot scissors?

[Aloha]

Ok so I'm at home and making a paracord goodies and went to cut it ( 550 ) and this is what my Tradesman does to it  .  I went to get my Explorer and my Deluxe Tinker and both cut thru cleanly, I even tried my Minichamp 1 and that too cut cleanly albeit it had to get a second bite.  I'm going to make an adjustment to the scissors and try again later.   

Make an adjustment? Are they the old screw type pivot scissors?

Yes they are  .  It's not like I'm cutting yards of paracord but my 58mm did it.  It cuts great thru paper and even thin cardboard. 

[Nhoj]

Ok so I'm at home and making a paracord goodies and went to cut it ( 550 ) and this is what my Tradesman does to it  .  I went to get my Explorer and my Deluxe Tinker and both cut thru cleanly, I even tried my Minichamp 1 and that too cut cleanly albeit it had to get a second bite.  I'm going to make an adjustment to the scissors and try again later.   

Make an adjustment? Are they the old screw type pivot scissors?

Yes they are 

That might explain the unclean cutting. I've never found the old type Wenger scissors to be as good as the newer ones.

[Aloha]

Ok so I'm at home and making a paracord goodies and went to cut it ( 550 ) and this is what my Tradesman does to it  .  I went to get my Explorer and my Deluxe Tinker and both cut thru cleanly, I even tried my Minichamp 1 and that too cut cleanly albeit it had to get a second bite.  I'm going to make an adjustment to the scissors and try again later.   

Make an adjustment? Are they the old screw type pivot scissors?

Yes they are 

That might explain the unclean cutting. I've never found the old type Wenger scissors to be as good as the newer ones.

hmm the only other Wenger I have is this evo and instead of cutting the paracord it pinched it between the blades.  I cant cut cleanly thru without tension on the paracord ( pulling ends in opposite directions) I dont have to do that with any of my Vics.   

[Singh]

I could get past Wenger's bobbing scissors if they weren't serrated.

But soon Vic will be releasing the 557 with Vic scissors and can opener.  That has me interested.

[Aloha]

I could get past Wenger's bobbing scissors if they weren't serrated.

But soon Vic will be releasing the 557 with Vic scissors and can opener.  That has me interested.

It sounds very interesting.  I will give these scissors another shot cutting several things I encounter today.  The blades can and do cut paracord very well it's just a bummer the scissor on mine act so funky. 

[Nhoj]

I could get past Wenger's bobbing scissors if they weren't serrated.

But soon Vic will be releasing the 557 with Vic scissors and can opener.  That has me interested.

I think the wenger scissors will remain, the only difference will be the vic awl, can opener, and tang stamp.

[basilio]

hmm the only other Wenger I have is this evo and instead of cutting the paracord it pinched it between the blades.  I cant cut cleanly thru without tension on the paracord ( pulling ends in opposite directions) I dont have to do that with any of my Vics.   

Experienced this problem many times, unfortunately.

[Fattsgalore]

I could have told you that Wengers won't properly cut paracord. Paracord is one of my test mediums with scissors, and Wenger did as bad of a job as old worn out scissors. It's why I don't like Wenger as a whole. I tested both a 58mm and 65mm scissors and posted the info in someone else's Wenger vs Victorinox topic but couldn't find it...

The Vic Delemont collection will have the Wenger style of scissors...Which blows. Makes me pass on the lot of them.

[Singh]

I could get past Wenger's bobbing scissors if they weren't serrated.

But soon Vic will be releasing the 557 with Vic scissors and can opener.  That has me interested.

I think the wenger scissors will remain, the only difference will be the vic awl, can opener, and tang stamp.

*smacks forehead* Yeah, I got that wrong. Despite the scissors, the new 557 still has me interested.

[PTRSAK]

My usual 2c worth in this debate. I like the pliers and scissors from both houses.
But I find that in both cases the Vic tool is more precise while the Wenger version is more robust. Vic scissors make a finer cut, but Wenger's are like mini tinsnips.
The slipjoint in Wenger's pliers take then a level above "super-tweezers" which is pretty much what the Victorinox offering is.
The bobbing of the Wenger scissors has never bothered me.

[Aloha]

After a full day of literally cutting several things I encountered the scissors will cut and in some instance they require a "touch" to get them going.  I can get over them not cutting paracord since I'm not cutting that type material daily.  I have no problem at all with the pliers or any other tool on this SAK so again the Tradesman will take a ride with me and I'll cut and not over think it. 

I like the size of this Tradesman at 85mm and as previously mentioned I really like Wenger blades.  There was never a debate for me Vic vs Wenger since my favorite tool is my Wenger S10 which was my dedicated knife when I first got here at MTo.  I was surprised when I tried to make the cut and the scissors failed so I paused.  I'm not a huge scissors user and it was weird for them to act funky on paracord.   

 I cut a cotton swab ( the stick part ) yesterday with zero problems. I cut a pill containers waxy box no problem.  I cut hair and loose threads all without a problem.  What I did find was certain textiles did cause a hiccup.  The scissors initially wanted to pinch and fold the material rather than cut but a slight initial bite then the scissors worked great.  For example jeans material gave the scissors a momentary issue till I backed off and took a nibble then they performed great.  I even cut thru the belt loop nicely.  T shirts caused the same initial hiccup. 

Very well said by PTRSAK

Vic scissors make a finer cut, but Wenger's are like mini tinsnips.

I couldn't agree more.  The Wenger scissors will cut so if that's all you have they will cut.  I carry a fully serrated blade at times and while it will cut anything in its way I tend to use it for materials that benefit from the initial bite of the serrations.  This in my mind is the same situation with the serrated Wenger scissors.  The initial bite can caused the material to get pinched so small bites work best.  They may not cut cleanly on certain materials but they will get thru.  When I mentioned previously that "if" I add tension to the paracord they worked fine I found this is true for the jeans and t shirt as well.  It seems serrated edges like some pressure while plain edge don't care.

       

[Monrogue]

Great analysis Aloha   You have me wanting to go cut a bunch of stuff with my Evogrip 16's scissors just to see how they do. 

[Aloha]

Great analysis Aloha   You have me wanting to go cut a bunch of stuff with my Evogrip 16's scissors just to see how they do.

I was cutting cardboard the string from an old pair of sweatpants and paper towels.  Go and cut everything in your path  .  It was kinda fun actually since I dont really use scissors all that much.  Serrations grab and pull prior to cutting hence the folding up of the material.  The scissors work fine once I understood a bit of tension on the item being cut made it easier.  I carried the Tradesman today again and I really like this knife.  I guess lesson learned is use the tools you have so when you have to use them you will know how they'll preform.   Again go cut something buddy     

[DMA1965]

Either scissors are fine with me.  Wenger looks cooler, but Vic cuts exceptionally well.

As far as pliers go, I say Vic is the winner hands down.  They are slightly thicker, and the machining to the tip is more precise, making them great for super fine work. The one thing I use them for most is for removing pin bones from fish fillets (like fresh salmon).  There are a lot of pin bones in some fish fillets, and you need a fine nosed pair of pliers to pull them out, because they are tiny and slippery.  I keep a Vic in my kitchen drawer just for this purpose.

I used to use a regular pair of needle-nosed pliers for this, but they would rust if I did not carefully dry them off after rinsing off the fish.  With the SAK I just rinse it off, shake out the excess water, and put it away.  No rust, ever.