Warning to the Brits

[damota]

The idiots are out again. As the Bobbies can not stop kids going around killing each other we are now to get-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7436141.stm

It says knife crime is down but to celebrate the police can now nick anyone carrying a knife (nothing about under 3" so I guess they are included) at a kindly police officers discretion.
So EDC is out unless you have a good reason and you better have strong proof of that reason. As they say nowadays there is no reason for anyone to carry a knife.     

Dave

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Yeah I saw that, I'm a Dad and I don't want thug's using knives anymore than the rest of us do, but this is only going to hurt the like's of us...legitamet user's

[Benner]

I saw that too. 

[Roadie]

See i read that as they are just lowering the age limit at which you can be prosecuted for the offence not that you can't carry a knife at all. To stop us carrying sub 3" non locking knives they would have to change Section 139 of the criminal justice act which this doesn't do. At least thats my take on it

[Benner]

See i read that as they are just lowering the age limit at which you can be prosecuted for the offence not that you can't carry a knife at all. To stop us carrying sub 3" non locking knives they would have to change Section 139 of the criminal justice act which this doesn't do. At least thats my take on it

No, that's how I understood it as well.  From what I heard, the law is the same, they will just prosecute more people rather than just giving them cautions.

[cryptrick]

See i read that as they are just lowering the age limit at which you can be prosecuted for the offence not that you can't carry a knife at all. To stop us carrying sub 3" non locking knives they would have to change Section 139 of the criminal justice act which this doesn't do. At least thats my take on it

I don't think that law has any use now to be honest with you (wish it did). With all the hype thats going on at the minute, if a copper see's that you have a 3" blade on you, he'll do you for it.

[Pacu]

Guess Crocodile Dundee better not visit the UK then? Or Freddy Krueger, Edward Scissorhands, Jason Voorhees, and most Iron Chefs.

[damota]

See i read that as they are just lowering the age limit at which you can be prosecuted for the offence not that you can't carry a knife at all. To stop us carrying sub 3" non locking knives they would have to change Section 139 of the criminal justice act which this doesn't do. At least thats my take on it

I don't think that law has any use now to be honest with you (wish it did). With all the hype thats going on at the minute, if a copper see's that you have a 3" blade on you, he'll do you for it.

I believe it's that hype that is the reason many of those youngsters are carrying knives. There is so many long running stories about kids being attacked I believe it frightens the life out of the others. As it did not help the kid in the story by not having a knife they decide to carry one. With little or no guidance of what a knife is capable of it can end in tears.
I just hope Roadie is right but history in this country does not back him. It seems to be a common action these days to bring out laws that are guaranteed to be fought over in the courts not just a plain 'thou shalt not kill'. That article starts "Anyone aged 16 or over in England and Wales who carries a knife could be taken to court, under new guidelines for police and prosecutors." nothing about being over 3" just any knife. It would suprise me if that is not exactly what it means. The locking blade was brought in because a judge thought a locked blade was the same as a fixed blade so treat it the same. It is/was not written in law.

Dave
Anyhow I am still going to buy a Cricket (Spyderco serrated variety)

[Poncho65]

They had better watch it or the decent ppl over the pond will revolt against it's gov't I mean that just sounds crazy
The criminals aren't gonna quit carrying knifes or guns for that matter. A person should be able to defend himself and his family

[duckman1975]

Guess LM squirt series and micras are going to sell well in the uk  The multitool you carry is inversely proportional to your jimmys 

[Styerman]

THEY CANT NICK YOU ALL , TIME FOR A LITTLE CIVIL DISOBIDENCE ! W orked for Gandi , EFF being a good Sheeple !

Chris

[ducktapehero]

"We are not out to criminalise people who have a good reason for being in possession of a knife, but frankly what good reasons would a youngster have for even carrying a penknife?"

When I was a kid I used my pocketknife all the time. But NEVER for any criminal activities. I feel so bad for you guys over there.

[Anthony]

That's like saying "No one should carry a flashlight...why would they even need one? (The government will provide you light)".

[NutSAK]

"We are not out to criminalise people who have a good reason for being in possession of a knife, but frankly what good reasons would a youngster have for even carrying a penknife?"

When I was a kid I used my pocketknife all the time. But NEVER for any criminal activities. I feel so bad for you guys over there.

+1.  As a youngster, I carried a SAK for the very same reasons I carry one today.

[ultimaonliner]

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. "
  -Thomas Jefferson


"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
  -Benjamin Franklin


"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch.  Liberty is a well-armed lamb disputing the vote."
  -Possibly Benjamin Franklin

[ringzero]

The idiots are out again. As the Bobbies can not stop kids going around killing each other we are now to get-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7436141.stm

I find this whole trend in Britain to be just incredibly depressing.

Only a century ago, the people of Britain enjoyed greater personal freedoms than did most people in the US.  Things have surely changed since then.

Given England's long history as a leader in the struggle to limit arbitrary government power and advance individual liberty, the period since WW2 must be seen as a terrible abberation.

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[Benner]

See i read that as they are just lowering the age limit at which you can be prosecuted for the offence not that you can't carry a knife at all. To stop us carrying sub 3" non locking knives they would have to change Section 139 of the criminal justice act which this doesn't do. At least thats my take on it

I don't think that law has any use now to be honest with you (wish it did). With all the hype thats going on at the minute, if a copper see's that you have a 3" blade on you, he'll do you for it.

I believe it's that hype that is the reason many of those youngsters are carrying knives. There is so many long running stories about kids being attacked I believe it frightens the life out of the others. As it did not help the kid in the story by not having a knife they decide to carry one. With little or no guidance of what a knife is capable of it can end in tears.
I just hope Roadie is right but history in this country does not back him. It seems to be a common action these days to bring out laws that are guaranteed to be fought over in the courts not just a plain 'thou shalt not kill'. That article starts "Anyone aged 16 or over in England and Wales who carries a knife could be taken to court, under new guidelines for police and prosecutors." nothing about being over 3" just any knife. It would suprise me if that is not exactly what it means. The locking blade was brought in because a judge thought a locked blade was the same as a fixed blade so treat it the same. It is/was not written in law.

Dave
Anyhow I am still going to buy a Cricket (Spyderco serrated variety)

What you have read is a news article, not an act.  "Anyone aged 16 or over in England and Wales who carries a knife could be taken to court, under new guidelines for police and prosecutors."  written in an article is a lot easier to be written and understood by the sheeple than "Anyone aged 16 or over in England and Wales who carries a knife over 3" that does not lock blah blah blah... could be taken to court, under new guidelines for police and prosecutors."  The legislation for carrying sub 3" lockers has NOT changed, so we don't all need to be panicking yet.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

I'm not panicking, I just see it at the start of a very slippery slope

[Benner]

I'm not panicking, I just see it at the start of a very slippery slope

That, sadly, is probably very true.    As things stand today though, as long as we keep it sub 3", non locking and don't wave it around in public, we will be fine.

I expect OH folders will be the next thing to go. 

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

I'm not panicking, I just see it at the start of a very slippery slope

I expect OH folders will be the next thing to go. 

Other nation's in Europe already have, so it can't be long in coming

[Benner]

On this note, I have a question.  Are people in the UK put off of buying OH blades and MT's because of this?  TBH I am quite aware of it and when I am looking into OH openers I look for those with thumb studs which can always be removed.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

On this note, I have a question.  Are people in the UK put off of buying OH blades and MT's because of this?  TBH I am quite aware of it and when I am looking into OH openers I look for those with thumb studs which can always be removed.

I'm definatly very wary of buying, not just OH, but locking tool's in general

[Benner]

On this note, I have a question.  Are people in the UK put off of buying OH blades and MT's because of this?  TBH I am quite aware of it and when I am looking into OH openers I look for those with thumb studs which can always be removed.

I'm definatly very wary of buying, not just OH, but locking tool's in general

It sucks doesn't it. 

I wonder if we will ever get to the stage where just owning a LM Wave is illegal. 

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Well I doubt it'd go that far, but you probably wouldn't be aloud to take it out of your house

[BIG-TARGET]

Sounds like NJ (state & local) law enforcement

Remember the crooked policeman character Charleton Heston played in SOYLENT GREEN?

That's NJ law enforcement

[FredKJ]

What I find disturbing about your knife laws it the concept of "good reason to carry".  That is so arbitrary.  Basically I would read that to be defined as what mood the cop is in and if he is trying to find a reason to mess with you.

[nezza33]

It will still not stop me carrying. It's a tool not a weapon.

[Dunc]

The trouble is these lads arent carrying a knife to cut bits of string and saw branches . All they are worried about is carrying to defend themselves and because their mates do and its the thing to do in their circles . Alot of it is peer pressure , and they really are going about stabbing each other . These kind of teenagers dont have any other reason to have a knife on the big housing estates they roam .In some respects I welcome the new changes in the law and in others its just another turn of the screw 
   To put things into perspective ...... Theres a good few UK members on here and over 3000 on British blades . How many of those do you know who have been done for carrying a knife . True there has been a few incedents with the police and the carrying of knives but I dont think theres been a prosecution .One BB member did have his Spyderco UKPK confiscated . Why when its legel EDC in the UK ? Because he was EDCing it while on duty as a bouncer 

On the other hand this is a very difficult time for our younger UK members who EDC a knife as a tool  I wouldnt want to be a teenager again my friends 

Dunc

[ducktapehero]

One BB member did have his Spyderco UKPK confiscated . Why when its legel EDC in the UK ? Because he was EDCing it while on duty as a bouncer

You can't carry a knife if you're a bouncer? Or can you not carry a knife if you're in a bar?

[Dunc]

It would be a very bad idea to do either . What possible reason would a bouncer want a knife for ?

Dunc