Leatherman Signal - is LM making a survival multi?

[rishardh]

I know what you mean, but I've come to the conclusion I want pliers in that situation too, even if it does mean carrying more weight. Again, same reason unknown factors - pulling thorns, handling hot objects (pots and lids) round a fire, pulling a needle through thick fabric for a coat or pack repair.... it just seems like too much of a potential hardship for the sake of a couple of ounces

Interesting argument. On a backpacking outing every oz counts. I would like to add that I too would like pliers but Skeletool like pliers would have been a better choice. You do not need heavy duty pliers on this.

[AimlessWanderer]

I know what you mean, but I've come to the conclusion I want pliers in that situation too, even if it does mean carrying more weight. Again, same reason unknown factors - pulling thorns, handling hot objects (pots and lids) round a fire, pulling a needle through thick fabric for a coat or pack repair.... it just seems like too much of a potential hardship for the sake of a couple of ounces

Interesting argument. On a backpacking outing every oz counts. I would like to add that I too would like pliers but Skeletool like pliers would have been a better choice. You do not need heavy duty pliers on this.

I agree there's a balancing act between weight and function  and yes, I think on a hiking trip I'd probably be willing to go to a Juice or Sideclip in terms of strength/duty level, but not much less.

For that arena I quite like the idea of the Wenger Rangergrip 90. Very capable knife and saw, mid weight pliers, small file and a can opener and awl. Those overly thick scales just take my grip beyond efficient though

[Syncop8r]

For that arena I quite like the idea of the Wenger Rangergrip 90. Very capable knife and saw, mid weight pliers, small file and a can opener and awl. Those overly thick scales just take my grip beyond efficient though

Haha, that's why I take a Wenger Ranger without pliers on hiking trips. 

[Lynn LeFey]

After reading all this, and particularly the comparison to the Bear Grylls Survival Tool Pack (or Bear Grylls 'Strata')...

I mean, I know I'm going WAY out on a limb of creativity here but...

Why not just put a Wave in this sheath with a AAA flashlight in one sheath loop and a ferro rod in the OTHER sheath loop, then jam some Tinder-Quiks into the bit card holder?

Cheaper solution that the Signal, and a better tool, it seems. Plus, the tool is more useful outside a survival situation.

I know, I know... not a 'one tool solution'.

 

When i heard about the idea, i thought it sounded neat. Upon seeing the end result, I don't think I'd ever get one of these, even if it were half the cost.

[comis]

After reading all this, and particularly the comparison to the Bear Grylls Survival Tool Pack (or Bear Grylls 'Strata')...

I mean, I know I'm going WAY out on a limb of creativity here but...

Why not just put a Wave in this sheath with a AAA flashlight in one sheath loop and a ferro rod in the OTHER sheath loop, then jam some Tinder-Quiks into the bit card holder?

Cheaper solution that the Signal, and a better tool, it seems. Plus, the tool is more useful outside a survival situation.

I know, I know... not a 'one tool solution'.

 

When i heard about the idea, i thought it sounded neat. Upon seeing the end result, I don't think I'd ever get one of these, even if it were half the cost.

Like you said, the interesting thing is--they could have simply build upon Wave success, anodize it orange or yellow, make some cutouts to reduce weight, and combo it with a mini survival kit(like a dual sheath similar to Vic Swisschamp SOS kit).

[colt 1911]

I still like it no matter what you guys say


Sak's  rule !

[AimlessWanderer]

Good on you, feller  If we all thought the same way, this place would be pretty smurfing dull 

I've been pretty specific about the elements that really screw this design up in my mind. Any chance you can share with us what makes this a winner for you? Spell it out for us 

[colt 1911]

So the negative has been expressed, let's go on a view of the positive.

The hammer, how many times have you beat on something with your multi tool and cringed every time you did it.



Length, more handle for big hands or gloves.



Let's not forget the pocket clip



I'll have some more positive tomorrow

Sak's  rule !

[derekmac]

 

[Lynn LeFey]

You can get a pocket clip for the Wave, and it's a pretty nice one.

Longer handle for blade use... SHORTER handle for saw use.

I DO like the hammer, I'm just not sure it's worth giving up the tools required to have it. I do also like the hex hole in the hammer's handle. That gives some added versatility.

Understand, unlike some folks, I'm not saying the Signal is worthless, or anything LIKE that. I just think that for the price there are other options that could be done using existing Leatherman Tools to get a better set-up. 

I have to be honest here... I think maybe the price on these is eventually going to come down a fair bit. Maybe the price is where it currently is because they CAN demand this much for it. And when the initial demand dies down, it'll drop to where the price (at least in my mind) SHOULD be. It's currently $20 more than the Wave (on Amazon). I think that gap will shrink, possibly disappear completely rather soon.

Also, does it normally COME with a sheath? the one on amazon does, and that seems a bit odd for a toon that has a built in clip. Meh, what do I know?

Is it just me or does the Signal use the exact same blade as the Wave?

[sawman]

You can get a pocket clip for the Wave, and it's a pretty nice one.

Longer handle for blade use... SHORTER handle for saw use.

I DO like the hammer, I'm just not sure it's worth giving up the tools required to have it. I do also like the hex hole in the hammer's handle. That gives some added versatility.

Understand, unlike some folks, I'm not saying the Signal is worthless, or anything LIKE that. I just think that for the price there are other options that could be done using existing Leatherman Tools to get a better set-up. 

I have to be honest here... I think maybe the price on these is eventually going to come down a fair bit. Maybe the price is where it currently is because they CAN demand this much for it. And when the initial demand dies down, it'll drop to where the price (at least in my mind) SHOULD be. It's currently $20 more than the Wave (on Amazon). I think that gap will shrink, possibly disappear completely rather soon.

Also, does it normally COME with a sheath? the one on amazon does, and that seems a bit odd for a toon that has a built in clip. Meh, what do I know?

Is it just me or does the Signal use the exact same blade as the Wave?

Lynn, the Signal has a different blade, he just swapped a Wave blade on to his.

[Lynn LeFey]

Well, that would explain it.

[Jand3rson86]

It's sold with or without a sheath.  I bought mine with, just to have another as a spare, but it rides shotgun in my front pocket since day one.  I love the design of the clip.  I've been carrying it every day since I got it about 2 weeks ago, and I LOVE it.  As someone mentioned before, how many times have you used your current MT or god knows whatever else as a hammer?  That alone is one of the major selling points to me.  I also love that they finally put the replaceable wire cutters on a smaller tool besides the Rebar, and left the swappable bit carrier.  I keep a bit driver extender and both paddles of bits in the L size MOLLE sheath in my backpack.  And mostly, besides the MUT (which the Signal is a direct descendant of), the Signal is the best looking tool Leatherman has right now.

[colt 1911]

It's sold with or without a sheath.  I bought mine with, just to have another as a spare, but it rides shotgun in my front pocket since day one.  I love the design of the clip.  I've been carrying it every day since I got it about 2 weeks ago, and I LOVE it.  As someone mentioned before, how many times have you used your current MT or god knows whatever else as a hammer?  That alone is one of the major selling points to me.  I also love that they finally put the replaceable wire cutters on a smaller tool besides the Rebar, and left the swappable bit carrier.  I keep a bit driver extender and both paddles of bits in the L size MOLLE sheath in my backpack.  And mostly, besides the MUT (which the Signal is a direct descendant of), the Signal is the best looking tool Leatherman has right now.

Ahhh thank you ! I'm right with you, I dig this tool.




Sak's  rule !

[babola]

It appears the original Signal thread has been around for some time and run its course. Maybe mods should close it and somebody (comis, colt, jason?) start a new one and dedicate it to Signal reviews and owner feedback specifically.

Nikola?

[Kampfer]

Regardless... still confused.

You and me both then, I never have such problem with any leathermans until REV & Signal.

[Kampfer]

cutlery shoppe has it for $72 shipped.

[toolguy]

cutlery shoppe has it for $72 shipped.

Correct,as long as you use the right free shipping code.

That makes the Signal only $7.20 more than the Wave.

http://www.cutleryshoppe.com/leathermanwave-4closed-17tools-blackleatherpremiumsheath.aspx

[babola]

That makes the Signal only $7.20 more than the Wave.

You make it sound like it's a good thing 

[Higgins617]

If it were more like 45-50 would you guys have different opinions on it? From the get go I've found the price to be a bit foolish. But I kind of like it, swap the blade out for a file and I think it would be a pretty good work tool for my needs. But again, for the going price it's far too rich for my blood. Is the quality the same as other Leathermans?

[Lynn LeFey]

For me, personally, I think almost every tool has a price point where it becomes viable. Again, for me, I absolutely think that the tool has merit and value, just not more than a Wave plus a couple goodies, and in many situations, not as much as a Wave. So, if it were priced a bit below the Wave, I'd think it was a pretty good setup. But that's just me. AND that's me saying it without any in-hand experience with the tool.

[leatherman-shop.de]

cutlery shoppe has it for $72 shipped.

Correct,as long as you use the right free shipping code.

That makes the Signal only $7.20 more than the Wave.

http://www.cutleryshoppe.com/leathermanwave-4closed-17tools-blackleatherpremiumsheath.aspx

I am a bit jealous - in Europe it is more pricey - but i still like the look of the Signal.

[toolguy]

That makes the Signal only $7.20 more than the Wave.

You make it sound like it's a good thing 

It's a statement of fact and you can interpret it in any manner you wish.

You could do worse by spending that much money in one night of partying and drinking and have nothing but a hangover to show for your expense.LOL.

I just ordered one and several olive colored Alox cadets for my family.

[sawman]

That makes the Signal only $7.20 more than the Wave.

You make it sound like it's a good thing 

It's a statement of fact and you can interpret it in any manner you wish.

You could do worse by spending that much money in one night of partying and drinking and have nothing but a hangover to show for your expense.LOL.

I just ordered one and several olive colored Alox cadets for my family.

I like your point there

[babola]

That makes the Signal only $7.20 more than the Wave.

You make it sound like it's a good thing 

It's a statement of fact and you can interpret it in any manner you wish.

You could do worse by spending that much money in one night of partying and drinking and have nothing but a hangover to show for your expense.LOL.

I just ordered one and several olive colored Alox cadets for my family.

Good for you, bud.
Do let us know your thoughts on it once it arrives.Cheers.

[Etherealicer]

I kinda want one too... Although It would need a PE blade and the bit holder has to be replaced with something more outdoorsy...

[sawman]

I kinda want one too... Although It would need a PE blade and the bit holder has to be replaced with something more outdoorsy...

I much prefer the adapter to Phillips setup when provided with an honest to goodness 3d Phillips driver. I've become turned off to the bit holder recently.

[Obi1shinobee]

SOMEBOBY GONNA GET OWNED BY NAVITOOL + Squirt P4    http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,62288.210.html#lastPost

[zoidberg]

SOMEBOBY GONNA GET OWNED BY NAVITOOL + Squirt P4    http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,62288.210.html#lastPost

Would it be possible for you to review it on it's own merits rather than trying to beat it into the ground? 

[Kampfer]

SOMEBOBY GONNA GET OWNED BY NAVITOOL + Squirt P4    http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,62288.210.html#lastPost

Would it be possible for you to review it on it's own merits rather than trying to beat it into the ground? 

Do it