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Leatherman PST chronology project

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us Offline J-sews

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #510 on: January 13, 2011, 05:56:50 AM
At first the PST II's received the same exact handles as the regular PST's. It was only later that they got there own special handles stamped PST II  :)
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #511 on: January 13, 2011, 06:06:48 AM
Cool.   :)  Thanks.

I'm pretty pleased, as I got it for about $16 from eBay.  It wasn't listed as a PST II, which is why I suspect it didn't go any higher.  It's in pretty rough shape, though.  The large slotted screwdriver is twisted up (but still fits in the scales fine) and the small one is broken off.  The scales are also very loose, but I should be able to tighten them up alright.  With a little work maybe I can straighten out that screwdriver and grind down a new tip onto the small one, like I had to do with my first PST...
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #512 on: January 19, 2011, 01:51:19 AM
Nice group there Kender. :tu:


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #513 on: January 22, 2011, 02:44:44 AM
Thanks!   :cheers:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #514 on: January 22, 2011, 04:47:42 AM
Hay
I love this PST, 10 doller investment bit of effort in cleaning it up!
ok sure its not a great pic but i have it all cleaned up no rust or crud!
the blade was real bad and i have to spend a little longer in it but its close!

The pliers where bad to all mangled  i worked them nice and square, the blade was sharpened with a brick im convinced and the were stained and gunked up but now im loving them.


Oh and my pliers have usa in them but I read and saw some did not like are roughly ground out.  why i could not find it.  I would be so annoyed if that was my tool!

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #515 on: January 22, 2011, 05:01:13 AM
That there appears to be a PST II, friend.  Very nice for $10!  Looks like you've done a pretty good job of cleaning it up. :cheers:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #516 on: January 22, 2011, 05:07:24 AM
Oh ya sorry it is a PST II
It has come along very nice!
 
Next is a sheath


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #517 on: February 09, 2011, 11:49:36 AM
Hay
excuse my ignorance but why do some PST's have the USA ground out?
Thanks


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #518 on: February 09, 2011, 12:13:50 PM
Hay
excuse my ignorance but why do some PST's have the USA ground out?
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Its because some parts were made outside the U.S , and a California Court descision ruled they could no longer have U.S.A on the tools . Despite the tools being 100% assembled in America . Heres a quote from the Leatherman Website going into more detail .

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May, 2005, Portland, OR—A Los Angeles Superior Court judge has found that between April of 1997 and April of 2002, Leatherman Tool Group, Inc. violated a unique California law concerning the ability of companies to represent their products as “Made in USA.” The court in Colgan v. Leatherman Tool Group held that under California law Leatherman engaged in false or misleading advertising by representing that certain of its tools were “Made in USA.” As a result, the court directed the company to pay approximately $13 million in restitution. Leatherman is disappointed with the ruling and intends to file an appeal.

A recent Associated Press story about the ruling gave the distinct impression that Leatherman brand multi-tools are, for the most part, made outside the United States. This is false.

The unique California law at issue prohibits companies from selling in California any product represented as “Made in USA” if “any article, unit, or part” of the product was “substantially made, manufactured, or produced outside of the United States.” As interpreted by one California judge, the law prohibits a “Made in USA” representation of a product even if the only foreign content in the product is a single screw.

These Leatherman tools were all built and assembled by U.S. workers at U.S. factories using primarily parts made entirely in the United States and some parts processed, in part, in Western Europe, Mexico, or Canada. Unfortunately, Leatherman is not able to procure all of its component parts in the United States because of quality, technological, or economic considerations. But Leatherman Tool Group has never shipped a job overseas, and the company remains committed to keeping and creating as many jobs here as possible.

“As proud as I am of the invention of the Leatherman tool, I am even more proud of the hundreds of American jobs I have created,” said company founder and president Tim Leatherman. “I am disappointed in the court’s ruling for a number of reasons, but I am especially disappointed that the court disregarded a ruling issued by a federal judge in 1997 stating that our representation that the Leatherman PST tool was made in the United States was ‘neither false nor misleading.’”


Hope this helps .


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #519 on: February 09, 2011, 10:08:25 PM
Hay great
thanks alot! :D


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #520 on: May 05, 2011, 02:11:42 AM
wonder who Colgan was in Colgan vs Leatherman Tool Group?
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #521 on: May 08, 2011, 09:40:03 PM
wonder who Colgan was in Colgan vs Leatherman Tool Group?

It was a class action suit, so "Colgan" was probably just some average Joe who bought a Leatherman tool. Then some ambulance-chasing scumbag of a lawyer saw a way to make a bunch of money off a trivial thing that wasn't hurting anyone. They sue Leatherman on behalf of all the hundreds of thousands of Californians who had purchased Leatherman tools, represented by this individual named Colgan. The judge rules in favor of "the people", Leatherman pays a huge fine, the scumbag lawyers takes their inflated fee out of the settlement, and the hundred thousand people they represented each get 7 dollars and 32 cents* (or some such nonsense) >:(


*no actual facts here, just my cynical guess as to what really happened >:(     


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #522 on: May 08, 2011, 11:14:44 PM
Yeah, but not only PSTs were affected. I just got a juice KF4 that has the USA ground out of the pliers.


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #523 on: May 08, 2011, 11:20:33 PM


Bob----> :twak: <------lawyers


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #524 on: May 09, 2011, 02:13:20 AM


Bob----> :twak: <------lawyers


Let the festivities begin.     :duel:   :D    :D   

Oop, sorry! :P (I had a bad experience once) :( :D
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #525 on: July 11, 2011, 11:09:09 PM
Found an old post on BladeForums ( http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/521159-A-letter-from-Leatherman-gt-early-PST-s-were-quot-Made-in-Japan-quot ) that contained a response from someone at Leatherman Tool regarding PSTs that were made in Japan:

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"We're back in the office after the Christmas Holiday-hope your Holidays were blessed. Are you ready for a story? As I told you, I have been with the company almost since its inception, 22 years. In the very beginning, Tim Leatherman found it difficult to keep up with production. The demand for his invention, the Pocket Survival Tool, was almost immediate, and with 11 people out in the shop at that time, we could not meet the demand. He contracted w/a company in Japan (that country was known at that time for their cutlery) and it became Leatherman Tool Japan (this partnership only lasted for 3 years or so at which time we decided to do everything USA). The tool that they made was ever so slightly different, in particular the rivets that are in the handle & hold the parts together. So, long story short, I believe you have that older Japan tool. The value was the same, just the place it was manufactured. I think you should definitely consider that tool a collector's item! The reason you are not seeing the "R" on the sheath is probably because a tools has to have "tm" markings until the patent is final, and it took a long while for Tim Leatherman to get the initial patent. It was most likely pending at that point. I hope I've explained this well enough. Happy New Year to you."

If this information is to be believed, does it imply that Japan PSTs with hanles marked "Reg'd TM 1325473" predate those marked "US PAT 4238862"?  In otherwords, would the trademark imprint have come before the patent imprint?  Your thoughts??


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #526 on: July 11, 2011, 11:51:31 PM
Guess the theory above doesn't hold any water.  I looked up the patent and trademark applications online.  The patent (#4238862) was applied for on 7/13/1978 and granted on 12/16/1980.  The trademark (#1325473) was filed on 4/23/1984 and registered on 3/19/1985.  So I think the writer from Leatherman may have been confused on the chronology.


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #527 on: July 12, 2011, 02:07:40 AM
More good info Copilot, thanks! :tu:

And we know that the Japanese company was Mitsuboshi Cutlery Co  :salute:

Scroll down a bit on this page on their website....I wonder if they also helped out with some Leatherman Mini Tools? :o

http://www.mitsuboshicutlery.jp/company/index_english.html
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #528 on: September 14, 2011, 11:48:27 PM
I have got hold of what I think may be an early PST II except there is no PST II marked on the handles but the tools in the handles all match my own PST II the blade has the part serration an medium flat screwdriver is off set so it does not close on you while using it.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #529 on: September 15, 2011, 12:18:39 AM
I have got hold of what I think may be an early PST II except there is no PST II marked on the handles but the tools in the handles all match my own PST II the blade has the part serration an medium flat screwdriver is off set so it does not close on you while using it.


Here are a couple threads that will help answer your question. 

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,15080.0.html

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,15102.0.html

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #530 on: September 20, 2011, 07:59:22 PM
Here are some details of my 1984 pst


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #531 on: September 20, 2011, 08:00:20 PM
more details of my 1984 pst


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Reply #532 on: September 20, 2011, 08:01:03 PM
more details of my 1984 pst


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #533 on: September 23, 2011, 03:22:31 AM
That is indeed a special one John! 8) POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL stamping, spey point knife, milled awl, left hand can opener, no lanyard attachment....they just don't come any more classic than that! :salute:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #534 on: September 23, 2011, 07:20:05 AM
Ahh the classic and in good condition to boot.  :tu:     :)
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Reply #535 on: September 24, 2011, 08:07:19 AM
Ahh the classic and in good condition to boot.  :tu:     :)

Definitely not Mint, but not not very used. Thanks!


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Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #536 on: October 03, 2011, 05:57:58 AM
Do any of the earliest 1983-84 no lanyard PSTs ever come up for sale?


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #537 on: October 03, 2011, 06:43:15 AM
Do any of the earliest 1983-84 no lanyard PSTs ever come up for sale?


They do on ebay, and surprisingly often. :salute: But you gotta check through a lot of auctions to find them. :-\
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #538 on: November 07, 2011, 04:28:07 PM
Files , not sure if this has been discussed before but have a look at this rather poor photo of  two PSTs . The one on the left is a 2001 model the other is a no date model . As you can see the saw teeth on the right hand file only go around 4 fifths of the way down the edge .Is this the norm ?




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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #539 on: November 12, 2011, 06:57:59 AM
Dunc I`ll go see if I can find some PSTs to check the files. I`ll be back in a bit.
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