Skeletool RX?

[AimlessWanderer]

Even though we are a smallish customer base, I don't understand why Leatherman doesn't have an official representative member here.

We all know the peek around the site but some responses would be great lol

They do.

Designers for all the companies crawl here incognito, and at least two members of Leatherman management (that I know of) have posted here in the past, one even openly.

They don't usually advertise their presence because they want unbiased feedback that they don't get through other channels.

Def

Sometimes they accept it like in the case of Style CS/PS, and sometimes ignore it like in case of the Signal. 

 

[rdub934]

Btw, def, do you know if Klecker gets any word in the new vaeiations of the Skele or is that now LM property to do with it as they please?

I am only guessing, but Leatherman own the patent on Skeletool, so I imagine they can do as they please with the design.

[rdub934]

I've seen Mako TI going for under $30 recently. Seems like a good deal.

I got a Topeak Mini 20 for $24 - and it does a lot more than a Mako. 7 or 8 sizes of hex, 2 torx, flat and phillips, chain breaker, tire lever, 3 or 4 different sizes/types of spoke wrenches, bottle opener.

Mako is a ripoff by comparison.

This is the first time I've heard of that Topeak tool (haven't been into cycling for a while) but it does look like a good choice. Though it's also not a OPT, so I wouldn't call it a level playing field if more than price point is considered.

Their are tons of great compound multitools geared specifically for bikes (although none are pliers based). In addition to Topeak, you have solid offerings from Pedros, Park Tool, Serfas, Crank Brothers, and even several bike brands make tools.

It looks like LM have discontinued the Mako?

[WoodsDuck]

"Availability : This is a retired product and is no longer produced."

http://www.leatherman.com/mako-ti-47.html

Apparently it is indeed discontinued. No idea when this happened.

[detron]

Even though we are a smallish customer base, I don't understand why Leatherman doesn't have an official representative member here.

We all know the peek around the site but some responses would be great lol

They do.

Designers for all the companies crawl here incognito, and at least two members of Leatherman management (that I know of) have posted here in the past, one even openly.

They don't usually advertise their presence because they want unbiased feedback that they don't get through other channels.

Def

now, if these companies would take note to what extent we (MTO) go to identifying changes and when they took place, maybe they could be better about documenting changes,  even in a simple thread type web page.

example

10 October 2015 - new "Leatherman" die in use for plier stamp
3 February 2016 - released Bladeless Rebar.
9 March 2016 - changed scissor joint to new material.

one day, this would be very valuable, and though the average person who buys or uses a MT would not care,  those of us here might buy more because we know it is different

[ironraven]

now, if these companies would take note to what extent we (MTO) go to identifying changes and when they took place, maybe they could be better about documenting changes,  even in a simple thread type web page.

example

10 October 2015 - new "Leatherman" die in use for plier stamp
3 February 2016 - released Bladeless Rebar.
9 March 2016 - changed scissor joint to new material.

one day, this would be very valuable, and though the average person who buys or uses a MT would not care,  those of us here might buy more because we know it is different

Documented changes occure after quality changes.

Quality changes after Tim starts running the company again and tosses some people to the curb. To be documented thusly:

D-Day. The boss came out of retirement. Got medieval.

[zoidberg]

now, if these companies would take note to what extent we (MTO) go to identifying changes and when they took place, maybe they could be better about documenting changes,  even in a simple thread type web page.

example

10 October 2015 - new "Leatherman" die in use for plier stamp
3 February 2016 - released Bladeless Rebar.
9 March 2016 - changed scissor joint to new material.

one day, this would be very valuable, and though the average person who buys or uses a MT would not care,  those of us here might buy more because we know it is different

Documented changes occure after quality changes.

Quality changes after Tim starts running the company again and tosses some people to the curb. To be documented thusly:

D-Day. The boss came out of retirement. Got medieval.

 

[rdub934]

Whoever had emergency response version wins the pot! Orange ceracoat chassis, carbide glass breaker bit, fully serrated sheepsfoot blade. Well, sort of sheepsfoot. Not really

[BIG-TARGET]

I have nothing against a specialty multitool.  Especially, if it can actually be useful.  Now there has been some specialty MTs made for M-16s, AK-47s, etc.  Still, not a lot of people own them. 
Now if LM(and competitors) want to make a worthwhile specialty MT.  How about one for bicycle owners??  Now THERE is a growth market!  7 billion people on this rock called "Earth", and 3 billion own/ride bicycles.  And the number is growing.

The real trick is to make that type of MT affordable for the guy in some third world country, and uses his bicycle to make a decent living

(Image removed from quote.)

Got one of those.  And it actually works pretty good on my bicycle. 

[BIG-TARGET]

Whoever had emergency response version wins the pot! Orange ceracoat chassis, carbide glass breaker bit, fully serrated sheepsfoot blade. Well, sort of sheepsfoot. Not really

I WANT ONE!!!!!

[rdub934]

http://www.leatherman.com/knifeless-rebar-465.html#start=11

http://www.leatherman.com/skeletool-rx-464.html#start=12

[Etherealicer]

http://www.leatherman.com/knifeless-rebar-465.html#start=11

http://www.leatherman.com/skeletool-rx-464.html#start=12

My eyesight is not the best anymore, but it appears the knifeless-rebar has a knife when closed

[SteveC]

Knifeless Rebar is $20 more than a regular Rebar WTF 

[gregozedobe]

I can see LM selling LOTS of those glass breaker bits from the Skeletool RX ( so long as they fit other LM bit holders and LM choose to market them).

[rdub934]

I can see LM selling LOTS of those glass breaker bits from the Skeletool RX ( so long as they fit other LM bit holders and LM choose to market them).

I think they will. They'd be dumb to not sell them. And they will work better in the Wave/Charge/Surge than in the Skeletool since you can lock the driver out with the tool closed - better grip. With the Skele, you would be striking the window with the tool either half opened - which could then collapse at the pliers, or fully opened - which would be awkward whilst striking. I don't understand why they wouldn't work something onto the outside of the carabiner area for glass breaking. Or at least make the glass breaker bit long enough to protrude past the carabiner

[cody6268]

I can see LM selling LOTS of those glass breaker bits from the Skeletool RX ( so long as they fit other LM bit holders and LM choose to market them).

I think they will. They'd be dumb to not sell them. And they will work better in the Wave/Charge/Surge than in the Skeletool since you can lock the driver out with the tool closed - better grip. With the Skele, you would be striking the window with the tool either half opened - which could then collapse at the pliers, or fully opened - which would be awkward whilst striking. I don't understand why they wouldn't work something onto the outside of the carabiner area for glass breaking. Or at least make the glass breaker bit long enough to protrude past the carabiner

This is one of the main reasons I don't like the new Skeletool I have.   It's a pain using the drivers  since I can't close the tool up.   The darn carabiner gets in the way. I may have to get an extender to remedy this


I'll get the knifeless Rebar as soon is it goes on sale.   It's time I got my Klein hawkbill and Camillus TL-29 (my two main folders) out of retirement. I might as well also get a Victorinox Sentinel Plus.


As far as the Skeletool RX, I'll just get the glass breaker and stick it in my normal Skeletool.  I figure I should get one, as you never know when one I may need to use it myself when I start driving,  and two, I may need it to extricate someone some day.  Is the Phillips/flat head combo bit sold by itself?

[captain spaulding]

Haha, I knew they mistakingly put the names on their website and they lied to us when we asked about it. I knew they were lying.

[rdub934]

Haha, I knew they mistakingly put the names on their website and they lied to us when we asked about it. I knew they were lying.

Yup! "Typo" - yea right

[AimlessWanderer]

Haha, I knew they mistakingly put the names on their website and they lied to us when we asked about it. I knew they were lying.

Yup! "Typo" - yea right

Yup, further fuelling my distrust. SOG go  that shouldn't be in circulation when new product info sneaks out, Leatherman just blatantly lies. Says a lot about a company when they're so comfortable to lie to their customer base

[BigMatt]

Trully revolutionary, different blade and new bit...

love how she is trying to sell all those (already few on skeletool) features. R&D need some fresh blood.

[captain spaulding]

Haha, I knew they mistakingly put the names on their website and they lied to us when we asked about it. I knew they were lying.

Yup! "Typo" - yea right

Yup, further fuelling my distrust. SOG go  that shouldn't be in circulation when new product info sneaks out, Leatherman just blatantly lies. Says a lot about a company when they're so comfortable to lie to their customer base

Yes they lied, but it doesn't bug me since i'm sure the employee signed a confidentiality contract when employed. If they confirmed the existence of it before they were supposed to the employee would of lost their job.

[rescue4500]

I demand that leatherman sell the glass breaker bit separately for my wave.. and my skeletool... and my bit kit... and my bit adapter for my super tool...... this may get expensive

[rdub934]

I demand that leatherman sell the glass breaker bit separately for my wave.. and my skeletool... and my bit kit... and my bit adapter for my super tool...... this may get expensive

yep

[captain spaulding]

I demand that leatherman sell the glass breaker bit separately for my wave.. and my skeletool... and my bit kit... and my bit adapter for my super tool...... this may get expensive

Agreed. I need a few of those bits for sure.

[rishardh]

I demand that leatherman sell the glass breaker bit separately for my wave.. and my skeletool... and my bit kit... and my bit adapter for my super tool...... this may get expensive

Agreed. I need a few of those bits for sure.

I want one too.

[babola]

Wow, what better way than this to encompass 12 months of multitool bleeding edge innovation, Leatherman!

Your R&D department must be buzzing...hive of activity!

[Kampfer]

Disappointing. 

[AimlessWanderer]

Haha, I knew they mistakingly put the names on their website and they lied to us when we asked about it. I knew they were lying.

Yup! "Typo" - yea right

Yup, further fuelling my distrust. SOG go  that shouldn't be in circulation when new product info sneaks out, Leatherman just blatantly lies. Says a lot about a company when they're so comfortable to lie to their customer base

Yes they lied, but it doesn't bug me since i'm sure the employee signed a confidentiality contract when employed. If they confirmed the existence of it before they were supposed to the employee would of lost their job.

Point taken Cap'n, but regardless of the reasoning, I still think it paints a bad picture when a supposedly customer facing company is caught lying to it's patrons. There's a big difference between someone there volunteering strategic marketting or development news, and having the integrity to hold your hand up and acknowledge albeit downplayed a data leak or other issue.

I'm not trying to colour other people's views, but it leaves a bitter taste with me. It's certainly not how I would have handled it, and I'd value having the company being trusted on it's word more highly than keeping a new product secret for an extra month.

It's not an anti-Leatherman stance either, in case anyone thinks "Al's at it again"  . I'm not exactly known for singing the praises of SOG, but they handled it so much better, acknowledging a slip, and even sending out a few goodies to the guy that flagged it

[Etherealicer]

Haha, I knew they mistakingly put the names on their website and they lied to us when we asked about it. I knew they were lying.

Yup! "Typo" - yea right

Yup, further fuelling my distrust. SOG go  that shouldn't be in circulation when new product info sneaks out, Leatherman just blatantly lies. Says a lot about a company when they're so comfortable to lie to their customer base

Yes they lied, but it doesn't bug me since i'm sure the employee signed a confidentiality contract when employed. If they confirmed the existence of it before they were supposed to the employee would of lost their job.

Point taken Cap'n, but regardless of the reasoning, I still think it paints a bad picture when a supposedly customer facing company is caught lying to it's patrons. There's a big difference between someone there volunteering strategic marketting or development news, and having the integrity to hold your hand up and acknowledge albeit downplayed a data leak or other issue.

I'm not trying to colour other people's views, but it leaves a bitter taste with me. It's certainly not how I would have handled it, and I'd value having the company being trusted on it's word more highly than keeping a new product secret for an extra month.

It's not an anti-Leatherman stance either, in case anyone thinks "Al's at it again"  . I'm not exactly known for singing the praises of SOG, but they handled it so much better, acknowledging a slip, and even sending out a few goodies to the guy that flagged it

Ohh no, Al is at it again

I understand what you mean but never forget:

You know as well as I do decisions made in real time are never perfect.

If you look around in any company, you will have similar hick-ups (that's what this is to me) all the time... most just never come to light or are quickly forgotten. Ultimately, if that is the worst LM does it's still a great company.

[Aloha]

Dig the color of the "new" Skeletal but eh.  I'd also love one or 3 of those bits too.