Urban EDC MT (Mid size) comparison

[eddie1115]

Just recently, I put this one together which fits the bill.
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5.2 oz, with a clip.  As far as tool set, it's a PST II minus file and can opener.

Very nice, 
I do have PSTII and Sideclip, but I don't want to take them apart to make an user tool.

Understandable.  If the Sideclip was in better condition, I would have left it alone.  But the original owner sent it in for warranty once, and it was in bad shape again, so I didn't mind "fixing" it

[Kampfer]

The PSTII shown earlier is un-used except the blade.
MY Sideclip returned from a warranty repair with new pliers head and driver.

[AimlessWanderer]

I found it too small to be big and too big to be small.

Agree, I had a XE6 and I felt the same.

Hmmm...isn't that why it's considered a midsized MT???   

Waves, Rebars, Sidekicks, Wingmen, MP600s, Stratas...are all much heavier and more full-sized.  The Juice line really are lighter-weight and considered more of a midsized MT, just as the Squirts, Micras, etc., are considered small or lightweight.

Am I wrong or missing something?   

I'll try again  the proportions of the Juice CS4 and KF4 work, but I don't think the proportions of the XE6 do. Purely personal taste. It's like pocket carrying the SAKs that are thicker than a Swisschamp. The thickness and weight start to spoil the overall package IMHO. Hope that's a little clearer 

[Smaug]

To me, there are only a couple reasonable choices:

a) Victorinox Spirit X - Excellent fit & finish, excellent quality, but expensive. (but you DID say "perfect")

b) Gerber MP400 - Punches well above its weight. Only drawback is the slowness of access to the internal tools, and the fact that the blade tip is perpetually dull, due to it slamming closed on the inside of the handle. For $26 though, it's astoundingly good. I'd say 80% as good as the Spirit, for 1/4 the price.

c) Leatherman Wave - On the big side of 'medium', and the scissors are kind of clunky to get to, but it's a great package anyway. (as you know)

I would prefer them in that order too. ^

Have you got a Spirit X? They really are that good.

[Kampfer]

To me, there are only a couple reasonable choices:

a) Victorinox Spirit X - Excellent fit & finish, excellent quality, but expensive. (but you DID say "perfect")

b) Gerber MP400 - Punches well above its weight. Only drawback is the slowness of access to the internal tools, and the fact that the blade tip is perpetually dull, due to it slamming closed on the inside of the handle. For $26 though, it's astoundingly good. I'd say 80% as good as the Spirit, for 1/4 the price.

c) Leatherman Wave - On the big side of 'medium', and the scissors are kind of clunky to get to, but it's a great package anyway. (as you know)

I would prefer them in that order too. ^

Have you got a Spirit X? They really are that good.

ABC are all good but all are too heavy, try to keep it at around 5oz.
Yes, I have two of each ABC.

[alexTOOL]

Leatherman Rev.

Not  outstanding but OHO, cheap, light (150g) and has more or less all you need and no more...

[Kampfer]

Leatherman Rev.

Not  outstanding but OHO, cheap, light (150g) and has more or less all you need and no more...

I had two of them, returned them both.

[Gerhard Gerber]

I'm going to assume urban means pocket carry as opposed to a sheath....?

The Rebar was too heavy, Skeletool did it for me.

I might be sorry some day soon, but one Friday not long ago I decided to slip a little folder into my pocket instead, and it's been there since.
99.99% used only the knife of the Skeletool, so.........

[Alan K.]

I have a friend who commutes by motorcycle everyday.  He carries a Skeletool.  He told me that he chose the Skeletool because it is a minimalist tool but has usable pliers.  He has used the pliers to fix loose connections on his bike that would have otherwise left him stranded.  Plus, it is a pocket tool that doesn't require a belt sheath and the OHO knife blade is excellent.

[strmliner]

I found it too small to be big and too big to be small.

Agree, I had a XE6 and I felt the same.

Hmmm...isn't that why it's considered a midsized MT???   

Waves, Rebars, Sidekicks, Wingmen, MP600s, Stratas...are all much heavier and more full-sized.  The Juice line really are lighter-weight and considered more of a midsized MT, just as the Squirts, Micras, etc., are considered small or lightweight.

Am I wrong or missing something?   

I'll try again  the proportions of the Juice CS4 and KF4 work, but I don't think the proportions of the XE6 do. Purely personal taste. It's like pocket carrying the SAKs that are thicker than a Swisschamp. The thickness and weight start to spoil the overall package IMHO. Hope that's a little clearer 

Absolutely agree with you regarding the XE6 being a bit to large/heavy for pocket carry.  I have an XE6, but rarely carry it because of that...I'd rather carry a Strata on the belt than the XE6.

Overall, the Juice line, to me, is a middleweight in terms of capability, which was the point I was trying to get across.  I find the CS4 doesn't complement my SAK EDCs...too much redundancy.  I don't have a KF4 (would be cool to have one), but I do have an S2, which I like due to size and weight, but it lacks either a saw or file.  As a result, I try to find complimentary carries between my SAKs and my plier-based MTs.  It's an ongoing trial.