Interesting. No scissors or pliers. Those moving parts are expensive and hard to make well. Makes sense to not have them when first starting out.My only concern is if Swiza fails. Victorinox already bought one of Peter Hug's companies (Wenger) to keep it from being bought out by the Chinese. I don't think Vic would buy another company off him.
Quote from: shamus on October 23, 2015, 02:44:10 PMInteresting. No scissors or pliers. Those moving parts are expensive and hard to make well. Makes sense to not have them when first starting out.My only concern is if Swiza fails. Victorinox already bought one of Peter Hug's companies (Wenger) to keep it from being bought out by the Chinese. I don't think Vic would buy another company off him. ^^^ Now, that was mean!
Quote from: firiki on October 23, 2015, 02:50:55 PMQuote from: shamus on October 23, 2015, 02:44:10 PMInteresting. No scissors or pliers. Those moving parts are expensive and hard to make well. Makes sense to not have them when first starting out.My only concern is if Swiza fails. Victorinox already bought one of Peter Hug's companies (Wenger) to keep it from being bought out by the Chinese. I don't think Vic would buy another company off him. ^^^ Now, that was mean! They won't. Wenger was well known knife company and had a long history in Switzerland. That's us mobile.Nate
Quote from: shamus on October 23, 2015, 02:44:10 PMInteresting. No scissors or pliers. Those moving parts are expensive and hard to make well. Makes sense to not have them when first starting out.My only concern is if Swiza fails. Victorinox already bought one of Peter Hug's companies (Wenger) to keep it from being bought out by the Chinese. I don't think Vic would buy another company off him.I think they were buying the trademark "The Genuine Swiss Army Knife" more than anything else.
Quote from: beerbaron on October 23, 2015, 11:02:31 AMSoft touch grip, nice modern style, good steel. I'm ordering one. To each his own.. I still have to find out what makes an undistinct 440 steel "good".Vic uses a choppy 420 but it's been heat-treated insanely well and it's been tried and tested.440 is what every China SAK is saying for a decade... unless it gives detailed info on type of 440, HRC, composition and steel mill, I'm not convinced...
Soft touch grip, nice modern style, good steel. I'm ordering one.
Quote from: Corwyn on October 23, 2015, 11:09:18 AMQuote from: beerbaron on October 23, 2015, 11:02:31 AMSoft touch grip, nice modern style, good steel. I'm ordering one. To each his own.. I still have to find out what makes an undistinct 440 steel "good".Vic uses a choppy 420 but it's been heat-treated insanely well and it's been tried and tested.440 is what every China SAK is saying for a decade... unless it gives detailed info on type of 440, HRC, composition and steel mill, I'm not convinced...mmm I'm not going to get into the Chinese smurf, if you think Chinese 440 is actual 440C then One of the best knife makers in the world about 440c jayfisher.com they say the hardness is 57, which is a lot harder than vic, and you can read how much better 440 is than 420 on any steel page.
I think we need more threads on this topic
If they innovate like wenger did with interesting tools, they MIGHT carve out a niche. But since Victorinox has been THE tool for 125 years... good luck with that. If it was my company Id target a high end niche market. Do high end blade steels and finishes. People want that.
Quote from: dks on October 23, 2015, 04:34:33 PMI think we need more threads on this topic This was the first thread! The original Swiza swiss army knife thread! Or the original Swiza swiss army knife that is not a swiss army knife thread!
Quote from: Grass on October 24, 2015, 12:06:25 AMQuote from: dks on October 23, 2015, 04:34:33 PMI think we need more threads on this topic This was the first thread! The original Swiza swiss army knife thread! Or the original Swiza swiss army knife that is not a swiss army knife thread!Many years later, if Swiza were to become popular worldwide, forumers looking for info about the brand will ask why there are two threads on Swiza. The moderators here will have to step in and state for the record that both are legit, and declare this thread as "The Original Swiza Thread" and the other as "The Genuine Swiza Thread".
Swiza is a very welcome addition to the SAK market. Victorinox desperately needs a qualified competitor.I would like them to return to the innovative mode from their haydays of the 70-80'. It was a long time ago since they added any new modern tools or patterns to the SAKs.The small screwdriver in the corkscrew and the cybertool driver are the latest and thats like 25 years ago.I mean do we need can opener on basically all models when cans without pull rings are close to extinct, just as example? Room for a new impoved tool.I hope Swiza will step up and push Victorinox and also bring some good stuff of their own.As a SAK lover how can you not like a new SWISS brand of SAK style knives.Ergonomics and locking blades are stuff that I've seen many forumites have asked for.
I mean do we need can opener on basically all models when cans without pull rings are close to extinct, just as example? Room for a new impoved tool.
Quote from: Mextreme on October 24, 2015, 07:21:22 AMI mean do we need can opener on basically all models when cans without pull rings are close to extinct, just as example? Room for a new impoved tool.This is mentioned often, and I assume it must be something that varies by country. In the UK it's definitely not true. I had a quick look through my food cupboards and found about half the canned goods had no ring pulls. Branded stuff like Heinz soup has ring pulls, but supermarket own-brand products, canned vegetables etc mostly don't.
Quote from: shibafu on October 24, 2015, 12:58:04 PMQuote from: Mextreme on October 24, 2015, 07:21:22 AMI mean do we need can opener on basically all models when cans without pull rings are close to extinct, just as example? Room for a new impoved tool.This is mentioned often, and I assume it must be something that varies by country. In the UK it's definitely not true. I had a quick look through my food cupboards and found about half the canned goods had no ring pulls. Branded stuff like Heinz soup has ring pulls, but supermarket own-brand products, canned vegetables etc mostly don't.I agree that traditional cans are not yet extinct... still most people own more than one tool, so there is really no need for every one of them having a can-opener.
Speaking of cans, I hate the pull tabs because they leave a rim around the can and it's frickin' impossible to scrap everything out. But it doesn't really matter since all the cans I buy need an opener. Everyone talks about pull tabs on cans but I rarely see them. It must be a European thing. But even if the can had a pull tab I'd use a can opener so I could get everything out of the can. But back on topic; despite the cheekiness in my first post, I hope Swiza finds success.