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Been doing some work in the Wiki 12348

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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2016, 08:36:00 AM »
I registered on SAKWiki, so just need editing rights set up to start trialling some of the above.
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2016, 08:58:34 AM »
I registered on SAKWiki, so just need editing rights set up to start trialling some of the above.

Done.
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2016, 09:55:31 AM »
To get track of my own edits:
Lately I totally revamped the Wenger Nature Series page (that I think still needs to be ironed out by someone else)
Which implied also updating the Wenger V.I.P related section.

Though most of the edits I done were to correct typo or add infos or a picture here and there like Updating Alox color-palette, Adding Huntsman 3.3713 variation (Ecoline Nylon scales), ...


Is there a page dedicated to scale materials? Or maybe the color-palette could do that too
That's the first thing we see about a SAK (even more if you don't have it in hand)

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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2016, 12:21:52 PM »

My current ideas are:

- Tool page (eg Phillips Screwdriver Back Tool: Provide link to knives that have the tool, with indication of how many layers that knife has to give you a sense of whether it's likely to be what you're after.
- Size / layer pages (eg Victorinox 91mm 3 layer): Expand table to have a column for each differentiating layer / back tool (probably not scale tools - too much noise)


Early examples of the above can be seen at:
- Pliers tool page: I think this looks OK, but maybe a better table title than "Related Knives".  And positioning, taking into consideration that there could also be a Wenger table.

- Victorinox 91mm 3 layer: Default table magic looking too big in narrow-ish browser window, and will be worse on knives with more layers and / or when back tools are included.  Maybe break table into "Common" tools and "Specialist"?  I left out Scale Tools for a similar reason.  Do they warrant a table? Will start to make page big though...  Also thinking of switching "Y" to "L" or "B" to indicate Layer or Back tool location.

BTW, there a couple of gremlins where I parsed the current Wiki data and keyring is listed as a layer tool on just a couple of knives (I think of it as a scale tool), CyberTool and Champion pages have multiple tool config lists, etc.  They'l get fixed as the underlying data is nudged into shape.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2016, 12:32:44 PM by Little Tinker »
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2016, 06:21:49 PM »
I'm thinking of using TikiWiki's PluginInclude capability to build a pair of  master page of all the new tables and then pull in the right table for each tool or knife.

Has that been tried elsewhere in the Wiki with success or failure?
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2016, 12:41:43 AM »
As I suspected - or hoped!!  (I did not think I was that blind or dumb) - we must have different authorisations - As no little pencil for me  :(

Here is what my editor screen looks like..

I landed in the WYSIWYG editor when creating a page  ??? :-[.  No icons to get out for me either  :ahhh, but in the TikiWiki documentation I discovered that adding "&wysiwyg=n" to the edit URL takes you into the 'pure' Wiki code  :tu:.
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2016, 08:45:27 AM »
Whoa, respect  :tu:


You know, we need editors for the Multitool Encyclopedia too  :whistle:

What kind of work is needed, exactly?
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2016, 12:32:30 PM »
cool :cheers:

Time to give Whoey a reminder again. >:D He's busy with some real world stuff
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2016, 02:44:19 PM »
was out of town actually, but WYSIWYG editor is disabled now.

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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2016, 02:56:43 PM »
I volunteered to help with the SAK Wiki right away and I am ashamed to say I haven't done anything yet but look around a bit in there.  :-\  :-[

On the bright side you people should be thankful I haven't been pushing any buttons in there  :whistle:  :angel:  :facepalm:

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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2016, 03:00:37 PM »
I'm thinking of using TikiWiki's PluginInclude capability to build a pair of  master page of all the new tables and then pull in the right table for each tool or knife.

Has that been tried elsewhere in the Wiki with success or failure?

I've now used that approach to add a knife-tool matrix to each of the Victorinox 91mm 1/2/3/4/5/6+ Layer Model pages.  I'll add them to the 84mm model pages when time permits.  The INCLUDE line on each of those pages takes the relevant snippet from this 'master' page, which can be quickly regenerated from the core database behind the data I downloaded / parsed, which in turn I ought to be able to be able to maintain by re-downloading the knife data as it is updated.

I think a bit of work to ensure the tables don't get too wide could still be useful.  I'm unsure whether the Core and Other tool tables on (say) 5-layer page works as well as intended.  Plus its always hard to pre-guess what everyone else is seeing and whether it is legible or not.  I don't have a web authoring test suite to use...

A future edit would be to remove the original table, but that would take out the (sparse?) width and weight info as well as the corkscrew / Phillips in the 'lite' matrix.  Should that be kept in the new matrices?

Thoughts and inputs welcomed.
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2016, 03:46:46 PM »
Whoa, respect  :tu:


You know, we need editors for the Multitool Encyclopedia too  :whistle:

What kind of work is needed, exactly?
Mostly we need new articles written, and proofreading of current articles. There is a link to the "How To" page for the wiki in my signature, and if you want to make edits and make new pages, I can send you the passcode needed to register.

Amusingly enough, the MTwiki actually benefited from being neglected for so long, and even with a very small group of editors, cleaning up the old code was quick and painless. The SAKwiki is still being cleaned up, despite having much more enthusiasm and support.

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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2016, 04:00:50 PM »
Hi Little Tinker

Well you have certainly been doing some BIG Tinkering.

The tool matrices are a great idea - although the 5 layer page seems to show the 3 layer models - Maybe this is still WIP??
I like the updated front back designation .....
One slight bug/issue - The tool table when I see it overlaps the brand, layer, size keys/links down the right hand side of the page.....

Edit - I also love the Related Knives section in the Tools pages

I have a couple of suggestions on the tables.
1. To save width how about bringing in a two or three letter code for each of the tools - You know the sort of thing: MB, SB, CO, SD, A, CS, KR for instance for a Spartan - We could store the key somewhere in a link or even put it on each page, or update the tool page with the abbreviations ??
2. Again to save width, and given that  just about every SAK has the Spartan tool set - How about missing out those tools from the table and just putting a note where there is a variation (eg for Compacts)? - So there would be one column for the Spartan toolset - And that column would be blank for all knives that contained the Spartan tool set - Then there would be a note number in that column - For instance Note 1 for a Automobile would say the Spartan small blade is replaced by the Technicians screwdriver -  Not sure how well that would work - Might get a bit messy  ....... ???
3. I see you put all the tools in alphabetical order - But how about a more SAK centric logical order with the most common tools starting with the Spartan toolset  first (assuming we don't remove this!  ;) as per suggestion 2) and listing all the tools in the Swisschamp next - Then the less common tools - So the order would be something like:
MB, SB, CO, SD, A, CS, KR, Tp, Tw, Sc, WS, MF, FS, Ph, MG, Pl - followed by all the more unusual tools grouping similar tool together eg PB, MB(S), MB(PS), EB etc etc  ??? ???

Edit - It all seems like a lot of work for you - although I get the impression you are pretty good at this type of stuff - So hopefully can make it a bit easier
Anyway - respect and thanks   :tu:  :salute:

And I have been doing my own Tinkering - So here is a summary:
  • Reworded the Spartan introductory paragraph
  • Re structured the Champion tool section - to clearly show similarities and differences between the 6 and 7 layer versions
  • Updated the history of the Champion Plus
  • Added some references to the 111mm 2 layer models back to the 91mm models
« Last Edit: August 31, 2016, 04:16:49 PM by Huntsman »
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2016, 04:43:02 PM »
Looking great so far. :hatsoff:

Huntsman covered all I wanted to say as far as the work done so far. Let me know if you encounter any permission problems with the wiki.
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2016, 04:51:37 PM »
Been away for ages, just wanted to say hi to everybody and to thank those keeping up the good work with the wiki!
As far as Wenger is related, I remember I had a lot of plans to add small edits and few knives (mostly from the "Wenger love" thread).
Will try to find material of what I was planning to do and pass it to the new super-editors!
Full Member Posts: 108
Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2016, 11:05:36 PM »
I have a couple of suggestions on the tables.
<SNIP>

Thanks, all good ideas.  It would be awkward to adjust the current approach to do the Spartan plus / minus thing, but I have thought of similar.  Did you notice the "Tools common to all knives" section that tries to do a similar thing of shrinking down the horizontal width by excluding those tools from the table?

I've put a vertical-text label in, which is somewhat hard to read but does a lot (IMHO) to keep the data more legible overall.  Comments welcome.

I agree on sorting the columns from most to least 'used', and think the Spartan -> Champ -> Other arrangement is good.  I'll do that next, with a twist of tweak it a bit to keep all the blades together so it is easy to see what is in place of a standard blade.
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2016, 03:24:17 AM »
Wow - Totally awesome work Little Tinker - Thank you

The new look tables are just fab  :o  :D  :tu:
(And you sorted out the overlap with the index, and I think you got all the layers down to one table - Yay)

The vertical text looks a little weird to start with - But is readable and works perfectly once you get used to it - And better than abbreviations IMHO - as it avoids all confusion and a cross reference

The common tools to all knives is great and works really well - Better approach than my suggestion - One minor comment - I would put all those tools in a horizontal line - Just to save scrolling/space

One comment on the 6+ layer page - The Cyber tools are missing and also the a/b and c versions of the Champion - The a/bs are six layer and have corkscrew/Phillips respectively and the c is seven layer - Maybe this is just WIP

EDIT2: Re the Spartan/common/Champ grouping of the tools - As well as all that it would be good to group by layer then back then scale tools too. I have a spready that does this let me know if you want me to send it to you for a quick gander


EDIT: Oh man I just looked at the source tiki for your new layer tables - Not simple  :o - I hope you automated the creation of those somehow - And switching the columns around will be a nightmare??
Even more respect and awe !!  ;)
Although making the common tools into one line is easy!!

And I guess once these tables are done they are done - And unlikely to need much maintenance
- Maybe just the odd new SAK every now and then - Although I don't think that has happened in the Vic line up for over a decade, possibly not since the Cyber tools in 2000 - with the exception of the Pioneer X and the Delemonts -
They seem to be more prone to reducing, rather than expanding, their SAK product line these days!!
Although there was that comment/hint from Charles Elsener (I think it was on Facebook) about big changes next year
Watch this space   :o


 :cheers: H
« Last Edit: September 01, 2016, 05:21:33 AM by Huntsman »
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2016, 12:09:28 PM »
Agreed, looks excellent. And having worked with and created a few fancytables on the wiki, I know how tricky they can be.

As for the vertical text for the tools, might I suggest making it ALL CAPS? It is much more readable, at least to my eyes, less adjustment.

For instance:

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« Last Edit: September 01, 2016, 12:10:48 PM by enki_ck »

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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2016, 05:48:36 PM »
Agreed, looks excellent. And having worked with and created a few fancytables on the wiki, I know how tricky they can be.

As for the vertical text for the tools, might I suggest making it ALL CAPS? It is much more readable, at least to my eyes, less adjustment.

For instance:

F
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F
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I think that's very illuminating  ;).  I'll put it in the next round of work.
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2016, 11:48:11 AM »


I think that's very illuminating  ;).  I'll put it in the next round of work.

I think all the above is now done.  Remind me if I missed something, or you spot something else (except the extraneous "~hs~" that I know about - not sure why Tiki doesn't like them).
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2016, 01:55:37 PM »
Looks very good :2tu:
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2016, 05:25:01 PM »
I'll add the 84mm layer tables and the "Related Knife" sections to each tool page next.

For those worrying about my sanity  :cheers:...  All of this is automated.  Excel spreadsheets contain the data, with some VBA code behind it to squirt out the Wiki code, which then just gets copy / pasted into the actual Wiki editor.  Each incremental change isn't much effort, but I'm quite pleased with how they've all added up to something quite useful :)
« Last Edit: September 02, 2016, 05:29:08 PM by Little Tinker »
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2016, 07:29:16 PM »
EDIT2: ...it would be good to group by layer then back then scale tools too. I have a spready that does this let me know if you want me to send it to you for a quick gander


I initially read this to mean you have a chart of which layer each tool is in, so we could put L1 to indicate the blades are in the first layer, then L2 for scissors and L3 for openers on a Climber for example.  I think could be handy for anyone who wanted to custom build discontinued items, or build Franken-knives while using the original orders on similar knives to potentially avoid "hiding" nail-nicks, etc.  And SOOOO OCD - what's not to like  ::).

Or did you just mean a simple list of whether each tool is layer / scale / back?  If so then I think we have that covered now (Phillis and fine screwdriver being a bit special because they appear in multiple places...), but let me know if you think the grouping / ordering should be changed.
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Re: Been doing some work in the WIKI
« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2016, 09:35:50 PM »
This maybe a stupid question but has anyone thought about doing a partnership with a company that edit hardcover books to print the content of the wiki on a yearly basis for instance?
I would buy it and this could be a way to support this forum and the wiki contributors while having good info from SAK specialists. 

I know there are companies which do that for blogs for instance,  and even for your Facebook publications. I believe they take a small fee but maybe a poll would give an idea of the number of people willing to buy such a great encyclopedia

Anyway just a thought

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