Cybertool Compact Mod (from Cybertool 29) feasible?

[Oxford_Guy]

Hi - I recently purchased a Cybertool 29, the bit driver on this is a great tool, but I have two issues with the overal SAK:

1) The twin knife layer has the finger notch for the main blade on the inside, very close to the bit driver, so it's difficult to deploy the main blade without opening the bit driver tool first, which makes using the main blade somewhat inconvenient.

2) I'm finding it a bit too bulky for comfortable pocket carry, even when dangling it in my pocket using a P7 clip. Although it's only a three-layer SAK, the bit driver layer is more like two layers, so more like a four-layer SAK to carry, and I've always found more than three layers too bulky for me. Also, I don't want to pouch carry it on my belt.

3) No scissors (less important, though)

So - as a possible solution for this, was thinking could perhaps remove the openers layer completely, and replace the twin-blade layer with the knife/combo tool layer from a Compact? This way the SAK would be thinner, and AFAIK both the blade and combo tool would have finger nicks on the outside, so be easier to access? I also wouldn't have to lose the keyring, which I want to retain so I can use it with a P7 clip, as there's a key ring on the blade/combo tool layer on  a compact.

On the downside, the combo tool does not offer quite the functionality of the whole openers layer, and I assume I'd lose the awl (but retain the corkscrew), but I could live with that if it means the result would be a thinner knife (and outside access to the large knife nail nick)

Does this all sound feasible and am I correct that the finger nicks for the blade/combo tool layer could be on the outside? Or (and this may be the show-stopper) - is it not possible to have the bit driver on an outside layer without fouling on the scale liners?

I guess also another option would be to replace the openers layer with the scissors from the Compact instead of discarding a layer - I'd then still get the benefit of an outside nail nick for the blade (and combo tool), and think I would gain the hook (whoopee!)/file from the Compact, and the scissors - which would be much more useful than two openers. Would the nail nick for the Scissors be on the outside of the SAK or pointing towards the bit driver, though? The downside is that I'd still have a quite chunky knife (maybe a little thinner?), though (and still no awl), so I'd be tempted just to go for first two-layer option, unless that's just not feasible?

Any thoughts on this? Has anyone tried modding a Cybertool?

[Oxford_Guy]

Actually just realised on problem with this Mod proposal - either the combo tool or the main blade would still have to be facing the bit driver - if it could be the combo tool, I'd have less of an issue with that, as it won't get used as often as the blade, but if the blade would still be blocked, then this Mod doesn't really help as much as I would like.

[Oxford_Guy]

I've pound a pic in this thread that seems to indicate that the combo tool and scissors option is at least feasible:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=39953.0



That would fantastic actually - would consider putting up with the width if it gave me scissors on my Cybertool, though am still more inclined to try to go for the slimmer option with just the bit driver and Combo tool layer...

[jaya_man]

Awesome snag there...

Changing the small blade with a combo tool will not make the knife less bulky as the layer will have exactly the same width...

combining the compact with the cybertool is a good option if the tool configuration meets your needs... but by replacing the opening layer with the scissors will make it even more bulkier... scissors are wider then the openers...

Putting the scissors layer next to the blade will make the large blade nail nick even more accessible as the scissors nail nick position will be on the opposite side (though stiil facing the blade)

Cmiiw...


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[jaya_man]

I've pound a pic in this thread that seems to indicate that the combo tool and scissors option is at least feasible:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=39953.0

(Image removed from quote.)

That would fantastic actually - would consider putting up with the width if it gave me scissors on my Cybertool, though am still more inclined to try to go for the slimmer option with just the bit driver and Combo tool layer...

Going with just 2 layers (blade and bit driver layer) will still give you same access nail nick access I would think. The large blade will still be in the same position even with the combo tool...


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[Oxford_Guy]

I've pound a pic in this thread that seems to indicate that the combo tool and scissors option is at least feasible:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=39953.0

(Image removed from quote.)

That would fantastic actually - would consider putting up with the width if it gave me scissors on my Cybertool, though am still more inclined to try to go for the slimmer option with just the bit driver and Combo tool layer...

Going with just 2 layers (blade and bit driver layer) will still give you same access nail nick access I would think. The large blade will still be in the same position even with the combo tool...

Hi - I would still save some width if I dropped the openers layer and replaced the twin-knife layer with the combo tool/knife layer, right? But I'd still have the knife access problems.

So the other option you're proposing is to have layers in this order, right : Combo tool/knife layer, scissors, bit driver - then I'd have better access to the main blade and a more useful tool selection (for me), though would be a little bulkier however that may be the best option, assuming it's not a problem to have the bit driver right next to the scales?

[jaya_man]

I've pound a pic in this thread that seems to indicate that the combo tool and scissors option is at least feasible:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=39953.0

(Image removed from quote.)

That would fantastic actually - would consider putting up with the width if it gave me scissors on my Cybertool, though am still more inclined to try to go for the slimmer option with just the bit driver and Combo tool layer...

Going with just 2 layers (blade and bit driver layer) will still give you same access nail nick access I would think. The large blade will still be in the same position even with the combo tool...

Hi - I would still save some width if I dropped the openers layer and replaced the twin-knife layer with the combo tool/knife layer, right? But I'd still have the knife access problems.

So the other option you're proposing is to have layers in this order, right : Combo tool/knife layer, scissors, bit driver - then I'd have better access to the main blade and a more useful tool selection (for me), though would be a little bulkier however that may be the best option, assuming it's not a problem to have the bit driver right next to the scales?

Yes...Blade layer width would still be the same whether its double blade or combo tool/large blade. Same large blade, and backsprings...

Having just the bit driver next to the blades or combo-tool blade will still give you the same nail nick access as your existing CT29 although thinner, if your going for 2 layers or 3 layers (with scissors).

The picture on the same thread (the serrated blade mod and spidey pic) will give you a better idea...


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[Oxford_Guy]

I've pound a pic in this thread that seems to indicate that the combo tool and scissors option is at least feasible:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=39953.0

(Image removed from quote.)

That would fantastic actually - would consider putting up with the width if it gave me scissors on my Cybertool, though am still more inclined to try to go for the slimmer option with just the bit driver and Combo tool layer...

Going with just 2 layers (blade and bit driver layer) will still give you same access nail nick access I would think. The large blade will still be in the same position even with the combo tool...

Hi - I would still save some width if I dropped the openers layer and replaced the twin-knife layer with the combo tool/knife layer, right? But I'd still have the knife access problems.

So the other option you're proposing is to have layers in this order, right : Combo tool/knife layer, scissors, bit driver - then I'd have better access to the main blade and a more useful tool selection (for me), though would be a little bulkier however that may be the best option, assuming it's not a problem to have the bit driver right next to the scales?

Yes...Blade layer width would still be the same whether its double blade or combo tool/large blade. Same large blade, and backsprings...

Yes of course, but that's not the point - the point is I wouldn't need the seperate openers layer then, which is quite thick, so would be one layer thinner (unless I added scissors, of course...)

Having just the bit driver next to the blades or combo-tool blade will still give you the same nail nick access as your existing CT29 although thinner, if your going for 2 layers or 3 layers (with scissors).

The picture on the same thread (the serrated blade mod and spidey pic) will give you a better idea...

But it would be possible to put the scissors between the bit driver and combo tool/large blade layer? Or is that going to present access problems for the scissors?

[jaya_man]

I've pound a pic in this thread that seems to indicate that the combo tool and scissors option is at least feasible:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=39953.0

(Image removed from quote.)

That would fantastic actually - would consider putting up with the width if it gave me scissors on my Cybertool, though am still more inclined to try to go for the slimmer option with just the bit driver and Combo tool layer...

Going with just 2 layers (blade and bit driver layer) will still give you same access nail nick access I would think. The large blade will still be in the same position even with the combo tool...

Hi - I would still save some width if I dropped the openers layer and replaced the twin-knife layer with the combo tool/knife layer, right? But I'd still have the knife access problems.

So the other option you're proposing is to have layers in this order, right : Combo tool/knife layer, scissors, bit driver - then I'd have better access to the main blade and a more useful tool selection (for me), though would be a little bulkier however that may be the best option, assuming it's not a problem to have the bit driver right next to the scales?

Yes...Blade layer width would still be the same whether its double blade or combo tool/large blade. Same large blade, and backsprings...

Yes of course, but that's not the point - the point is I wouldn't need the seperate openers layer then, which is quite thick, so would be one layer thinner (unless I added scissors, of course...)

Having just the bit driver next to the blades or combo-tool blade will still give you the same nail nick access as your existing CT29 although thinner, if your going for 2 layers or 3 layers (with scissors).

The picture on the same thread (the serrated blade mod and spidey pic) will give you a better idea...

But it would be possible to put the scissors between the bit driver and combo tool/large blade layer? Or is that going to present access problems for the scissors?

It is possible... no problems there... just like the compact knife and scissors will open on opposite sides of the pivot...


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[Oxford_Guy]

I've pound a pic in this thread that seems to indicate that the combo tool and scissors option is at least feasible:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=39953.0

(Image removed from quote.)

That would fantastic actually - would consider putting up with the width if it gave me scissors on my Cybertool, though am still more inclined to try to go for the slimmer option with just the bit driver and Combo tool layer...

Going with just 2 layers (blade and bit driver layer) will still give you same access nail nick access I would think. The large blade will still be in the same position even with the combo tool...

Hi - I would still save some width if I dropped the openers layer and replaced the twin-knife layer with the combo tool/knife layer, right? But I'd still have the knife access problems.

So the other option you're proposing is to have layers in this order, right : Combo tool/knife layer, scissors, bit driver - then I'd have better access to the main blade and a more useful tool selection (for me), though would be a little bulkier however that may be the best option, assuming it's not a problem to have the bit driver right next to the scales?

Yes...Blade layer width would still be the same whether its double blade or combo tool/large blade. Same large blade, and backsprings...

Yes of course, but that's not the point - the point is I wouldn't need the seperate openers layer then, which is quite thick, so would be one layer thinner (unless I added scissors, of course...)

Having just the bit driver next to the blades or combo-tool blade will still give you the same nail nick access as your existing CT29 although thinner, if your going for 2 layers or 3 layers (with scissors).

The picture on the same thread (the serrated blade mod and spidey pic) will give you a better idea...

But it would be possible to put the scissors between the bit driver and combo tool/large blade layer? Or is that going to present access problems for the scissors?

It is possible... no problems there... just like the compact knife and scissors will open on opposite sides of the pivot...

Okay, great - so sounds like having the layers like Combo Tool/Large Blade > Scissors > Bit Driver on top (and corkscrew > hook/file > Bit Driver back on the underside) could be viable.

Now I just need to find someone prepared to build this for me, if I supply a Cybertool 29 and Compact....

[T14]

Random thought: If it is possible to fit a small blade into the scissor layer, one might be able to build a two layer "impotent cybercompact" by dropping the large blade and combotool alltogether?

*runs and hides* 
-Tom

[sLaughterMed]

Random thought: If it is possible to fit a small blade into the scissor layer, one might be able to build a two layer "impotent cybercompact" by dropping the large blade and combotool alltogether?

*runs and hides* 
-Tom

I suppose if you are willing to make a custom backspring it might work, but none of the stock springs (beides the standard scissor spring) will give the scissors the proper "snap". Plus, then you have to figure out how to squeeze the small blade in, which probably means making that custom spring wider than needed, and using washers near the scissors and blade to fit them properly...

[T14]

I suppose if you are willing to make a custom backspring it might work, but none of the stock springs (beides the standard scissor spring) will give the scissors the proper "snap". Plus, then you have to figure out how to squeeze the small blade in, which probably means making that custom spring wider than needed, and using washers near the scissors and blade to fit them properly...

I see.Thank you for the clarification. This is due to the unique shape and dimensions of the scissor "tang" compared to tangs of other tools, I pressume.
My ignorance on the subject is pervasive, and will only be cured by practical experience. I'll bow out before I derail the thread any further.
-Tom

[sLaughterMed]

I suppose if you are willing to make a custom backspring it might work, but none of the stock springs (beides the standard scissor spring) will give the scissors the proper "snap". Plus, then you have to figure out how to squeeze the small blade in, which probably means making that custom spring wider than needed, and using washers near the scissors and blade to fit them properly...

I see.Thank you for the clarification. This is due to the unique shape and dimensions of the scissor "tang" compared to tangs of other tools, I pressume.
My ignorance on the subject is pervasive, and will only be cured by practical experience. I'll bow out before I derail the thread any further.
-Tom

A great way to start is to buy some beaters off of ebay for cheap, and take them apart! .