Hi ZedHave to say I'm stunned by the crude mp600, I almost didn't even try it as I simply assumed as you say they would cross over and jam, yet it was the carbide versions that couldn't cut it!Go figurei think leatherman need to ask themselves a few questions. Not a single model of theirs could cut the cable! Yet they are by and large the most expensive models tested here.....rubbish!!
Quote from: tosh on July 15, 2017, 11:50:50 AMHi ZedHave to say I'm stunned by the crude mp600, I almost didn't even try it as I simply assumed as you say they would cross over and jam, yet it was the carbide versions that couldn't cut it!Go figurei think leatherman need to ask themselves a few questions. Not a single model of theirs could cut the cable! Yet they are by and large the most expensive models tested here.....rubbish!!I agree mate,oddly it's braided type wire that I've mainly needed wire cutters for,I've only ever owned 1 wingman but I'm sure there sure cutters don't cross as pinch together? Have you ever tested them ?
"Concave cutters located under plier jaws for use on Stranded wire - smaller gauge wire bundled or wrapped together to form a larger conductor. The concave shape helps to keep the shape of the strands without crushing them."
Food for thought... Was the braided wire under tension? A multi that cannot cut slack braided wire might be able to cut the same stuff under tension? Not excusing the failures... Just thinking out loud.
I am yet to cut braided wire with any of my Leathermans... but I notice one is meant to cut in an ever so slightly different place than when cutting hard wire.When you look at their website for, say, the Surge http://www.leatherman.com/surge-3.html?dwvar_3_color=10&cgid=heavy-duty-multi-tools#start=1 and click on Stranded-Wire Cutters it says: Quote"Concave cutters located under plier jaws for use on Stranded wire - smaller gauge wire bundled or wrapped together to form a larger conductor. The concave shape helps to keep the shape of the strands without crushing them."
Quote from: Syncop8r on July 15, 2017, 01:44:26 PMI am yet to cut braided wire with any of my Leathermans... but I notice one is meant to cut in an ever so slightly different place than when cutting hard wire.When you look at their website for, say, the Surge http://www.leatherman.com/surge-3.html?dwvar_3_color=10&cgid=heavy-duty-multi-tools#start=1 and click on Stranded-Wire Cutters it says: Quote"Concave cutters located under plier jaws for use on Stranded wire - smaller gauge wire bundled or wrapped together to form a larger conductor. The concave shape helps to keep the shape of the strands without crushing them."It's very difficult to see the difference between the stranded-wire cutting area and the hard-wire cutting area... but I believe the former is the tiny concave part.
They say under in their description, but their pic shows it as being the tiny concave part of the replaceable hard-wire cutters (see my post above).I have heard others say this - you mean just above the crimpers?
Quote from: Syncop8r on July 16, 2017, 01:16:37 AMThey say under in their description, but their pic shows it as being the tiny concave part of the replaceable hard-wire cutters (see my post above).I have heard others say this - you mean just above the crimpers?Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's the area just above the crimps I think they did this on one of their others too. St300? Surge?
Went upstairs and opened the LM storage box..... You know, I think LM need to go back to the drawing board!! Not a single model of theirs had the ability to cut through braided cable, Not even their EOD MUT!!...Yes it's the Signal I bought used. The seller said it as like new, just checked the cutter.....pristine...just tried the cable test........Part Cut, part Crushed it!! Leatherman, you gotta be smurfting me!!Make of this what you will, but I think it confirms to me that leatherman are just a joke. Oh' tested the OHT too....crushed it, surge crushed it, ST300 crushed it Wave crushed it, Juice crushed it.....Yawn! a pattern is beginning to emerge!
Eth's thread... Quick Test: MTs vs. Bike Break CableOne of mine... High Tensile Wire Cutting Test, Warning: Minor Tool AbuseThe SwissTool and MP600 struggled with the bare steel braid, no issues when sheathed, the Surge and BlackTip cut both fine.I've found cutting under tension does make a difference.Leatherman should include the stranded wire cutters (yes they are on the handle side) on their smaller MTs like the Charge and Signal.
Just checked on their website: Surge, ST300 and MUT all show stranded wire cutters above the head. So either their pics are wrong or perhaps their description is.I couldn't find any other models with stranded-wire cutters.It would be good to get to the bottom of this...
Thanks for everyones input on this.Yes, Etherealicers original thread is what made me assume the Spirit would come out top...but my own Spirit couldn't get through, took its bigger brother the swisstool to get the job done and with ease I must add.I'll try again with LM's at my next opportunity, having said that I did try all the places on the plier head that have been listed above. Everytime the head just jammed and had to be forced apart using brute force or a screwdriver to pry open!! It really shouldn't be that difficult.I'll stand by my "Rubbish" remark, I can't begin to say how appalled I was that the MUT EOD failed....WTF Leatherman!!Yes, I too love MT's, god only knows I have enough of 'em And, I accept that ALL MT's (SAKs too) are a compromise in one way or another.....BUT, come on given the ridiculously high rrp of these tools they really should fair better than they have.Like I keep banging on about, I think its time they (Manufacturers) upp'd their game and transformed the MT into a serious tool and not just some cute plier with added gadget factor. It really does annoy me. These are very expensive items....very expensive! But yet cannot be relied upon 100%, which in my book makes them unsuitable for their proposed market.I quite honestly couldn't give a toss about asthetics, colour, BO or SS, cute factor or tacticool what I need and dare I say demand, is a simple tool that can be relied upon, to that end I feel as though a high percentage simply fail to even achieve that. "Rubbish" is the word
Quote from: tosh on July 16, 2017, 08:48:44 AMThanks for everyones input on this.Yes, Etherealicers original thread is what made me assume the Spirit would come out top...but my own Spirit couldn't get through, took its bigger brother the swisstool to get the job done and with ease I must add.I'll try again with LM's at my next opportunity, having said that I did try all the places on the plier head that have been listed above. Everytime the head just jammed and had to be forced apart using brute force or a screwdriver to pry open!! It really shouldn't be that difficult.I'll stand by my "Rubbish" remark, I can't begin to say how appalled I was that the MUT EOD failed....WTF Leatherman!!Yes, I too love MT's, god only knows I have enough of 'em And, I accept that ALL MT's (SAKs too) are a compromise in one way or another.....BUT, come on given the ridiculously high rrp of these tools they really should fair better than they have.Like I keep banging on about, I think its time they (Manufacturers) upp'd their game and transformed the MT into a serious tool and not just some cute plier with added gadget factor. It really does annoy me. These are very expensive items....very expensive! But yet cannot be relied upon 100%, which in my book makes them unsuitable for their proposed market.I quite honestly couldn't give a toss about asthetics, colour, BO or SS, cute factor or tacticool what I need and dare I say demand, is a simple tool that can be relied upon, to that end I feel as though a high percentage simply fail to even achieve that. "Rubbish" is the wordLol Tosh this is how I feel about sogs files
Quote from: Zed on July 16, 2017, 07:06:21 PMQuote from: tosh on July 16, 2017, 08:48:44 AMThanks for everyones input on this.Yes, Etherealicers original thread is what made me assume the Spirit would come out top...but my own Spirit couldn't get through, took its bigger brother the swisstool to get the job done and with ease I must add.I'll try again with LM's at my next opportunity, having said that I did try all the places on the plier head that have been listed above. Everytime the head just jammed and had to be forced apart using brute force or a screwdriver to pry open!! It really shouldn't be that difficult.I'll stand by my "Rubbish" remark, I can't begin to say how appalled I was that the MUT EOD failed....WTF Leatherman!!Yes, I too love MT's, god only knows I have enough of 'em And, I accept that ALL MT's (SAKs too) are a compromise in one way or another.....BUT, come on given the ridiculously high rrp of these tools they really should fair better than they have.Like I keep banging on about, I think its time they (Manufacturers) upp'd their game and transformed the MT into a serious tool and not just some cute plier with added gadget factor. It really does annoy me. These are very expensive items....very expensive! But yet cannot be relied upon 100%, which in my book makes them unsuitable for their proposed market.I quite honestly couldn't give a toss about asthetics, colour, BO or SS, cute factor or tacticool what I need and dare I say demand, is a simple tool that can be relied upon, to that end I feel as though a high percentage simply fail to even achieve that. "Rubbish" is the wordLol Tosh this is how I feel about sogs files Just curious: when almost all files fail a particular test, would you repeatedly single out only one of the brands repeatedly and subject only it to your scorn and derision? Or might that show a bias?
Here's a question: Is braided wire something that ANY pliers should be expected to cut easily?
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