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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: FredKJ on June 25, 2008, 04:06:10 AM
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I'm starting this thread because somewhere along the line a boy with a pocket knife went from being a "be prepared" Boy Scout to a terrorist national security threat. It's the reason we can't go through airport security now without losing our SAK's or if lucky get the much coveted cavity search :police: It used to be when a father gave a son a knife it was a rite of passage. Of course with that gift they were taught how to clean sharpen and use it safely and responsibly. People lost that part and now just freak out.
I sent my twin 12 year old boys, Adam and Zach each an Explorer SAK at Christmas. The reason I choose the Explorer was a tradeoff between features and bulk. It also has a magnifying glass which they like for nature stuff.Well after one minor mishap droping the blade and cutting a leg their mother took them away for a while.
So now the boys are out with me and I guess I am journaling their tale of the SAK.
Sunday June 22, 2008
I sat down with the boys and showed them an introduction to properly handling, sharpening and cleaning their SAK. We also went over some of the tools on it and what they are for. I also went over some of the basic cutting techniques used for whittling.
That day they had taken them out while checking some ants. They used the tweezers to pick up ants and look at them under the magnifying glass. I think they might have burned a couple >:D
Monday June 23, 2008
I gave them each a small block of wood. They whittled for two hours totally engrossed. Their little tongues were sticking out while they were doing it. They even cleaned up the shavings mess without complaint.
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Good work! Actually introducing boys to pocket knives and not just giving them the knives is an important distinction that is lost on a lot of people.
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You got it Spoonrobot. Somewhere the knowledge chain was broken. It could apply to other things like driving, sexuality, financial management etc. Sometime down the road we put our kids in a bubble. You can't grow up that way. An interesting anecdote. I also sent them each a compass. Sunday I took them out to do some geocaching and checked to see if they could take a bearing etc. I noticed something funny. Called my ex on the cell and asked her if she had shown them how to use them. She said she had. I told her that on one of the compasses the needle was pointing South instead of North. If she had been showing them how to use the compass, well um she would have kind of noticed that. Adults today have lost the skills to pass on. So now places like schools freak out. So I will keep you guys informed of their little adventures with their SAK's.
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Thank you for being one of the few parents willing to teach your kids about proper knife handling. Cheers to you sir! :cheers:
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June 24, 2008
Today the boys went out looking for sticks to whittle. They have to learn to identify good wood from stuff that is rotten or too green. While whittling Zachary cut himself a little. He had the awl and knife blade open at the same time. He learned you can only have one blade open at a time. They got a basic first aid lesson as his brother helped him clean the cut, put some antibiotic ointment on then a butterfly closure and bandaid. When minor mishaps happen and they do to the best of us you also need to know how to treat those minor cuts. I was planning to teach them some basic first aid for such things. Looks like the lesson came a little sooner.
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It was only a minor nick guys, didn't need a butterfly closure but I wanted them to do the fix up.
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I have a feeling even if you didn't have a background in the outdoors and knives, you'd probably be a good dad in any other way that you could be--just spending time with them.
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That is really great. Simple moments like that are really what it is all about.
I won't go into the details of my own life, but a somewhat similar experience when I was that age made all the difference in my life. And in ways I could have never imagined.
Make sure to teach them a few basic knots at some point too. :)
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Actually one of them read on knots today. I'm getting to that.
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Good on you mate, it's great that there learning skill's that have been lost for pretty much two generations :)
I'll be following your example just as son as my own son's old enough :)
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It could apply to other things like driving, sexuality, financial management etc.
Too many damn parents giving their wayward 12 year olds cars, prostitutes & credit cards without proper instruction! (I'm sure there's room for a gear shift joke or card slot reference here)
Of course, I was a soulless city kid, so I don't hold to any of that father/son bonding crap, hunting deer & learning how to chew tobacco, or whatever it is you people do*.
*Whittling, apparently.
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I was bought my first knife at seven. This is actually pretty impressive as my father was not the practical type (he owned a rusty hammer, two rusty saws and a box of what once were nails). It did unfortunately mean I didn't get the prep talk. Luckily that's where cub scouts stepped in. I wonder if they still teach knife handling? I hope so.
After school yesterday my five year old told me he wanted to make a first aid kit. So I found an old mint tin and some wipes and a few plasters. He was pretty chuffed (he is only five remember) and went on to make a bit of card to stick on it with a green cross :) Later that evening I hurt a finger (not knife related) and there he was pulling tin from pocket ready to apply his first plaster. I like the idea of introducing first aid before his first knife ;)
Neil
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Great idea mate :cheers:
My 5 year old boy is still too interested in sword fight's rather than helping his poor broken dad :D
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Trust that I will not allow my 12 year olds to have prostitutes without proper instruction >:D. I think two generations did lose something and yes Scouting still has the totin' chip. I got a cool book for them, "The Dangerous Book for Boys." I was reading the Battle of the Alamo to them the other day from it. I gave them some background and neither of them had heard of Davy Crockett or Daniel Boone, imagine that. For you Brits those two are an American "Thing". I wonder what model of SAK Crockett would have wanted at the Alamo or Boone crossing the Cuimberline Gap? But then I wonder what a Jim Bowie SAK would look like. Perhaps we need the SAK Bowie Knife.
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I was bought my first knife at seven. This is actually pretty impressive as my father was not the practical type (he owned a rusty hammer, two rusty saws and a box of what once were nails). It did unfortunately mean I didn't get the prep talk. Luckily that's where cub scouts stepped in. I wonder if they still teach knife handling? I hope so.
After school yesterday my five year old told me he wanted to make a first aid kit. So I found an old mint tin and some wipes and a few plasters. He was pretty chuffed (he is only five remember) and went on to make a bit of card to stick on it with a green cross :) Later that evening I hurt a finger (not knife related) and there he was pulling tin from pocket ready to apply his first plaster. I like the idea of introducing first aid before his first knife ;)
Neil
Last night when one of the boys cut himself I had them fix it up together. Yes it is a good time to introduce first aid. I'm trying to figure out why my boys didn't get Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone in school. All I can figure is they were intimidated by the politically correct PETA people not wanting kids to wear coon skin hats.
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I think the whole 'hero' thing is frowned upon nowadays, let's face it, hero's are nonconformists, and what govenment in there right mind what's a generation of those ::)
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Funny you should bring the 'hero' thing up. I was just discussing that with someone the other day. Yep, heros are non-conformist and seldom politically correct. So schools have deleted them from the plan. What would happen to the whole adhd thing if they had to talk about Thomas Edison. When I was a kid every kid in the outdoors imagined himself as Davy Crockett or Daniel Boone. If it weren't for guys like that we'd still be under you Brits and Mexican flags would be flying in Texas with people speaking Spanish. Well one for two ain't bad.
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Even things as important as WW2 are barely covered, if at all these days >:(
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I'm trying to figure out why my boys didn't get Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone in school. All I can figure is they were intimidated by the politically correct PETA people not wanting kids to wear coon skin hats.
Because they are traditonal freedom-loving, self-reliant American heroes.
Because they were legendary marksmen, hunters, scouts, woodsmen, and when necessary, Indian fighters.
Because the left-wing educational establishment wants to downgrade the importance of white male historical figures in general. (Lots of famous white male historical figures are simply written out of modern history textbooks, or mentioned only briefly in passing.)
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Maybe we should return to the two boy's and there Sak's theme, before this get's too political.
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Even things as important as WW2 are barely covered, if at all these days >:(
They are in this household. My two attended there first remembrance day service as as soon as they were old enough to stay quiet for long enough! Admittedly they were probably looking forward to the low flypast of the Lancaster more than anything else but its a good start.
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I've seen that beautiful old bird quite a few times myself :)
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Maybe we should return to the two boy's and there Sak's theme, before this get's too political.
Yeah could get dicey. But I'm liberal and want my boys to know about those guys. The self-reliance thing is what a SAK is all about.
What can I say, "Remember the Alamo!!!" You should have seen the look on my boys' faces when I told them about Jim Bowie and his legendary knife. That wouldn't go over big in school. Well you know what they say about payback. So I plan my San Jacinto.
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Maybe we should return to the two boy's and there Sak's theme, before this get's too political.
If you like. But, just above you state: "Even things as important as WW2 are barely covered, if at all these days"
Don't you find it strange that the most important world-historical event of the last Century is "barely covered these days"? Don't you ever wonder why that is?
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Maybe we should return to the two boy's and there Sak's theme, before this get's too political.
If you like. But, just above you state: "Even things as important as WW2 are barely covered, if at all these days"
Don't you find it strange that the most important world-historical event of the last Century is "barely covered these days"? Don't you ever wonder why that is?
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I don't wonder, I fairly bloody certain I know the answer ;), but at the same time, I have to steer this forum away from politics in fear of offending members :)
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I've seen that beautiful old bird quite a few times myself :)
Ditto, though its the first time we've been waved to from the cockpit :o I'm sure my hearing hasn't been the same since either!
I remember many years ago being in Lincoln watching the same plane flying alongside a new BA jumbo that they'd just bought, also called the City of Lincoln. They were circling the city together and it was quite spectacular. I couldn't help but imagine their respective pilots trying to keep one as slow as possible without it falling out the sky, whilst the other was pushing it to the max to keep up :)
Back on topic. I've also bought "The Dangerous Book for Boys". The look on the face of my eldest when I told him what it was called was worth every penny :D
Neil
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Maybe we should return to the two boy's and there Sak's theme, before this get's too political.
If you like. But, just above you state: "Even things as important as WW2 are barely covered, if at all these days"
Don't you find it strange that the most important world-historical event of the last Century is "barely covered these days"? Don't you ever wonder why that is?
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I don't wonder, I fairly bloody certain I know the answer ;), but at the same time, I have to steer this forum away from politics in fear of offending members :)
Yeah, tell me about it. Heaven help us if there are any Texans on here. That would really stir things up
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I've seen that beautiful old bird quite a few times myself :)
Ditto, though its the first time we've been waved to from the cockpit :o I'm sure my hearing hasn't been the same since either!
I remember many years ago being in Lincoln watching the same plane flying alongside a new BA jumbo that they'd just bought, also called the City of Lincoln. They were circling the city together and it was quite spectacular. I couldn't help but imagine their respective pilots trying to keep one as slow as possible without it falling out the sky, whilst the other was pushing it to the max to keep up :)
Back on topic. I've also bought "The Dangerous Book for Boys". The look on the face of my eldest when I told him what it was called was worth every penny :D
Neil
4 Firewalled Merlins must have sounded pretty special :)
And yeah that is one cracking book :)
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What's the book about then ???
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What's the book about then ???
I'll find a link for it, but it's basically all the fun thing from your childhood condenced into a book :)
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Et voila...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dangerous-Book-Boys-Conn-Iggulden/dp/0007232748
A mate of my bought it for me for my 30th, and it'll be my son's soon :)
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Just to add to what was said earlier: I think the problem is not the elimination of the historical figures from curricula of education but the larger messages that are illustrated by these figures. Themes such as perseverance against great odds, sacrifice for the greater good, the ability to stand alone against a majority and overall pioneering spirit are not things that most people are familiar with. Instead the focus for the student becomes inward; how do you feel about X?
What's the book about then Huh
A myriad of things. History, valuable outdoor skills, language, knots, astronomy, first-aid, science, mathematics and so forth. It's an excellent broad view of important and interesting things that really appeals and applies to all ages.
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What's the book about then ???
I'll find a link for it, but it's basically all the fun thing from your childhood condenced into a book :)
My childhood was largely TV based, so is it just a hard backed TV guide? :P
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What's the book about then ???
I'll find a link for it, but it's basically all the fun thing from your childhood condenced into a book :)
My childhood was largely TV based, so is it just a hard backed TV guide? :P
Not quite Ben no :D
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What I need is someone who works in a bookshop to hook me up with one. :pok: :pok: :D
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Well "The Dangerous Book for Boys" is originally a Brit book that has been republished in America and somewhat Americanized. It's all about boy stuff, you know like using your pocket knife, skipping stones, heros like Crockett and Boone. Designed to get kids away from video games and doing stuff like whittling instead. It's just an amalgam of topics, basic knowledge a boy should know that isn't being taught or handed down to them anymore.
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What I need is someone who works in a bookshop to hook me up with one. :pok: :pok: :D
Shame you don't know anyone who does really :cry: :D
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So when you pull out your SAK to solve any problem you want that ambiance of thinking of yourself as a modern Daniel Boone or Davy Crockett on the frontier handling any problem you face.
"Be always sure you're right, then go ahead."
-Davy Crockett
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What's the book about then ???
I'll find a link for it, but it's basically all the fun thing from your childhood condenced into a book :)
My childhood was largely TV based, so is it just a hard backed TV guide? :P
Benner, think MacGyver with a coon skin hat and a Kentucky long rifle. Does that help to relate?
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Benner, think MacGyver with a coon skin hat and a Kentucky long rifle. Does that help to relate?
I think you'd be better off trying to relate it to the Simpsons. :D
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He'll think a Kentuckey long rifle is something Colonel Sanders used in the army :D
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Think Jebediah Springfield. ;)
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Benner, think MacGyver with a coon skin hat and a Kentucky long rifle. Does that help to relate?
I think you'd be better off trying to relate it to the Simpsons. :D
Well I guess it's not a stretch to think of Bart Simpson and "The Dangerous Book for Boys" in the same breath. Just put Bart in the wilderness with a SAK and you've got it pictured.
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Think Jebediah Springfield. ;)
Wasn't he a pirate originally? So the books about Dunc then? :D
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Think Jebediah Springfield. ;)
Wasn't he a pirate originally? So the books about Dunc then? :D
LMAO :D :D
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Think of Bart Simpson as the reincarnation of Jebediah Springfield come back to haunt Springfield. The revisionist history books speak of men like Jebediah Springfield, Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett but Bart is actually living it which is disturbing to those around him.
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Lets hear more about your 12 year old twins and their knife/first aid/knot tying/being with dad adventures. Man, I'm 48 years old and am really enjoying your entries. Keep 'em coming. :)
Mike
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Think of Bart Simpson as the reincarnation of Jebediah Springfield come back to haunt Springfield. The revisionist history books speak of men like Jebediah Springfield, Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett but Bart is actually living it which is disturbing to those around him.
I think we might be on to a new way of teaching here. :D
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Lets hear more about your 12 year old twins and their knife/first aid/knot tying/being with dad adventures. Man, I'm 48 years old and am really enjoying your entries. Keep 'em coming. :)
Mike
Well said that man :)
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Lets hear more about your 12 year old twins and their knife/first aid/knot tying/being with dad adventures. Man, I'm 48 years old and am really enjoying your entries. Keep 'em coming. :)
Mike
I will. We plan on doing some geocaching and nature stuff this weekend. Looking forward to their outside of the box creative uses for their SAK's. They've already burned some ants with the magnifying glass and figured out a novel use for the corkscrew.
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Lets hear more about your 12 year old twins and their knife/first aid/knot tying/being with dad adventures. Man, I'm 48 years old and am really enjoying your entries. Keep 'em coming. :)
Mike
Well said that man :)
We'll get things back on track micky d. Had to get Benner so he can relate. You know how I have to translate for you Brits.
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Lets hear more about your 12 year old twins and their knife/first aid/knot tying/being with dad adventures. Man, I'm 48 years old and am really enjoying your entries. Keep 'em coming. :)
Mike
Well said that man :)
We'll get things back on track micky d. Had to get Benner so he can relate. You know how I have to translate for you Brits.
I think we pick things up pretty quick mate :D
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Lets hear more about your 12 year old twins and their knife/first aid/knot tying/being with dad adventures. Man, I'm 48 years old and am really enjoying your entries. Keep 'em coming. :)
Mike
Well said that man :)
We'll get things back on track micky d. Had to get Benner so he can relate. You know how I have to translate for you Brits.
I think we pick things up pretty quick mate :D
Are you including Ryan in that statement?
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Well...no...obviously :D, he'll chime in, in 14 mins :D
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I hear ya "mate". What I want to teach my boys with the SAK's is that spirit if self-reliance. With this little gadget in their pocket they can face anything and solve problems on their own. So I am teaching them Boone and Crockett with it. It's that whole Jeffersonian man thing but I digress.
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Well...no...obviously :D, he'll chime in, in 14 mins :D
Hey! Just cos i don't spend every waking hour on here :P I was watching Wimbledon while eating Chili :D
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The boys didn't have much interest in whittling last night. I ordered a whittling book. They brought some sticks back but I have to teach them how to identify natural wood that is not too green nor approaching being rotten.
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It may be politically incorrect but I'll raise my son like I was raised. By the time I was 12 I could out-shoot most full grown men. Of course now that I'm a man I get out shot by most 12 year olds. Thankfully I have bad eyesight so I can blame it on that. :D :D :D
But I have already got my sons 1st rifle. It's a Remington Viper 22. I MAY trade it in and get something else later on if finances allow but if not it should make an OK 1st rifle. He'll get it when I think he's ready. Also when he's old enough I will get him his 1st pocketknife. A Victorinox of course. I will also teach him to spit, cuss, pray and fight. I will also add I'll teach him when it's appropriate to do these things. I don't want him cussing in church....again. :-[ :-[
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I've already got my son a ''My first Vic'' too, I really am looking forward to him being old enough for me to be able to give it to him :)
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I asked my five year old when he thought he'd be old enough for a pocket knife. He answered "when I'm a grown-up". He was quite shocked to learn that both my wife and I were given penknives when we were seven and eight.
I had got a couple of My First Vics. stashed but I'm now thinking I make make him a custom knife.
Neil
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I asked my five year old when he thought he'd be old enough for a pocket knife. He answered "when I'm a grown-up". He was quite shocked to learn that both my wife and I were given penknives when we were seven and eight.
I had got a couple of My First Vics. stashed but I'm now thinking I make make him a custom knife.
Neil
The personal touch would be nice mate :), he's got a custom fixed blade, but not a sak :-\
I figure 7 would be a good age :)
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I'm thinking something like this 84mm one Bill made but with a peanut butter blade
(http://www.knifeforums.com/uploads/1214396011-84mm-Dendrologist.jpg)
Neil
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I'm thinking something like this 84mm one Bill made but with a peanut butter blade
(http://www.knifeforums.com/uploads/1214396011-84mm-Dendrologist.jpg)
Neil
That would be perfect!!!, I often wished vic would include a magnifiying glass in there junior range :)
I think your boy would be made up with one of those :)
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Well that's why I got them the Explorer. Had to have a magnifying glass.
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Well that's why I got them the Explorer. Had to have a magnifying glass.
But no wood saw though :( (I've got an Explorer and there a brilliant sak :))
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excellent thread Fred :salute:
sounds like you have great, lucky kids/twins (we've got a couple here too, this forum, maybe even triplets now!)
and if you ever want a third, slightly older :D
my dad never talked to me (hence my death chats!) but he did teach me to fish and shoot a gun. he never gave me
a knife, I'm not sure why ??? he would have luv'd what I got now I'm sure.
maybe to get your kids back/more into whittling you could have them save the shavings and teach them
the use of a firesteel or even friction fire, don't we all luv and play with fire :ahhh
enjoying your stories ;)
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I got a book today from Amazon to use with the boys. It's "The Little Book of Whittling" by Chris Lubkemann. It has some nice simple projects. This guy uses a SAK Tinker for his work. Looks like his small blade has been moded or perhaps just worked down from sharpening. He uses twigs and sticks to make stuff. Has some interesting ideas in it.
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I got a book today from Amazon to use with the boys. It's "The Little Book of Whittling" by Chris Lubkemann. It has some nice simple projects. This guy uses a SAK Tinker for his work. Looks like his small blade has been moded or perhaps just worked down from sharpening. He uses twigs and sticks to make stuff. Has some interesting ideas in it.
Thats a great book too :)
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Really great thread Fred :D Very enjoyable reading
Dunc
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I was going through Lubkemann's book on whittling I got for the boys. Nice book. Features simple projects made from natural sticks. He features exclusively a SAK Tinker. When I was a kid I used primarily a three bladed pen knife. Thing about using a SAK is it is percieved as less of a threat. The only thing Lubkemann stresses is the blade must be sharp. For whittling the blade should be devouted to the whittling only. You have to keep a polished and stropped edge on it. So a SAK dedicated for whittling or at least the small blade works as good as anything. Lubkemann even has some stuff about the history of the SAK.
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Does he mention whether he prefers a small (84mm) or regular (91mm) Tinker? I don't suppose it matters--just whatever fits your hand best.
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From the pics it's a regular Tinker not the shorter one. Just a standard Tinker SAK. He's a minimalist.
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I would imagine a Recruit would be an even better option, nothing on the backspring and fractionally cheaper :D
Neil
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I would imagine a Recruit would be an even better option, nothing on the backspring and fractionally cheaper :D
Neil
I think you're right.
Recruit is cheaper than Tinker and is lighter as well. I've used a Recruit for whittling a few times and had no complaints.
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Today we went geocaching. There was a microcache wedged in something and they used the knife to get it out. Starting to realize how handy it can be.
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Today we went geocaching. There was a microcache wedged in something and they used the knife to get it out. Starting to realize how handy it can be.
Jock jnr is 9 and he is already gotten used 2 a S.A K as his fave tool .SELF RELIANCE IS NOT A SIN
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Thanks doe sharing fredkj, I have a 4 year old son my only child. Can't wait to give him his 1st SAK, what age does a child responsible enough to own a knife? My father isn't the outdoors type so wasn't given a knife as a boy.
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, what age does a child responsible enough to own a knife?
That is completely depending on how mature the boy is. It could 5 years old or 15 years old. I've even seen 20 somethings who probably shouldn't be carrying knives. IIRC I was allowed to start carrying a knife when I was about 8 or so.
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Thanks DTH, already planning for it :D
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I used to collect tons of things when I was small.. It first started out with watches, then I moved on to tools.. After that I got my first SAK a Camper, and then I collected SAKs from there...
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we know he didn't collect cameras! :pok:
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Well the boys whittled some letter openers yesterday. Got creative and glued some rocks on them. I got some blocks of Butternut wood yesterday. Once they are a little more practiced I'll start them on some more ambitious projects with the wood.
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that's where the bread comes from!
if you can, post some pictures of them working, that would be great ;)
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I don't have a camera but will see what I can do. Nothing more warming than seeing two boys whittling away with their SAK's. :climber:
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, what age does a child responsible enough to own a knife?
That is completely depending on how mature the boy is. It could 5 years old or 15 years old. I've even seen 20 somethings who probably shouldn't be carrying knives.
ROTFL!
If they're not responsible enough to carry a pocket knife at 20-something, do you ever wonder about the wisdom of the little darlings driving at age 16?
Some parents will buy their kids cars when they turn 16 or as soon as they get a driver's license.
Talk about deadly weapons in the hands of immature kids - an automobile seems much more dangerous than a knife.
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we know he didn't collect cameras! :pok:
ROFL!
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If they're not responsible enough to carry a pocket knife at 20-something, do you ever wonder about the wisdom of the little darlings driving at age 16?
Some parents will buy their kids cars when they turn 16 or as soon as they get a driver's license.
I know, it's pathetic. Of course good driving skills is something that some people NEVER pick up. God must watch over these people because with the way some people drive I have no clue how they live long enough to get into their 30's and 40's, much less their 70's and 80's.
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I know, it's pathetic. Of course good driving skills is something that some people NEVER pick up. God must watch over these people because with the way some people drive I have no clue how they live long enough to get into their 30's and 40's, much less their 70's and 80's.
Looking back at my teen years, I'm somewhat amazed that I survived into my twenties. Must admit that I did some fairly crazy things involving motorized vehicles.
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Must admit that I did some fairly crazy things involving motorized vehicles.
Me too. But there's a difference in sometimes doing stupid stuff and just flat out not knowing how to drive. When I did stupid stuff I usually did it late at night when the roads were empty.
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Must admit that I did some fairly crazy things involving motorized vehicles.
Me too. But there's a difference in sometimes doing stupid stuff and just flat out not knowing how to drive. When I did stupid stuff I usually did it late at night when the roads were empty.
Same here - back roads, late at night.
During my teen years some of the common family sedans were capable of 120 to 130 mph. (Of course the brakes, tires, and suspensions were mostly quite lame when compared to the cars nowadays.)
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During my teen years some of the common family sedans were capable of 120 to 130 mph.
LOL I had a 1973 Plymouth Satellite, it wasn't real quick around town but it would fly down the highway. I know what you mean.
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During my teen years some of the common family sedans were capable of 120 to 130 mph.
LOL I had a 1973 Plymouth Satellite, it wasn't real quick around town but it would fly down the highway. I know what you mean.
Plymouth, Dodge, and Chrysler cars in general had very decent performance back then.
Chrysler offered much of their lineup with a choice of 340, 383, or a 440 V8 - all hemis with strong performance.
Cars with those 3 engines were available from the dealer with an optional 4-barrel carb, which boosted performance from peppy family sedan levels to police interceptor levels.
Stock Chrysler torsion bar suspensions also performed better than the competition from Ford and Chevy.
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I had a Chevy 1 ton with a 427 Tall Block that my Dad bored and stroked out another 100 cubic inches at his Shop/Gararge that he owned back when I was that age.I got into all sorts of mischief with that truck.I am proud to report that I never got caught by the local constublary while engaged in other "Activities" with a female companion.
I was able to go places that most squad cars couldnt.
LOL Dtrain
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FredKJ this has been one interesting post to read :D it has taken some interesting sideroads ::) with some of the topics, but the main topic that you have been telling of your 2 boys has been pretty good to read. Thanks for sharing with us :salute: :D
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Hey man how did the summer end up with your boys I was just wondering what happened this month, have they went back to school yet?