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Tool Talk => General Tool Discussion => Topic started by: Obi1shinobee on August 05, 2017, 06:25:12 AM
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Wow.
That is a special kind of insulting. This is telling children they should be helpless.
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ALL I HAVE TO SAY ........ IM BATMAN BIETCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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How about utility awareness? :twak:
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Interesting they show a hammer and screwdriver. Someone clearly has an agenda. What if their fathers use those particular tools for work? The chefs knife to me is a huge fail. I was a chef for years and carried my cutlery in a back pack every day for work as do nearly all chefs of those that work in a kitchen.
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Interesting they show a hammer and screwdriver. Someone clearly has an agenda. What if their fathers use those particular tools for work? The chefs to me is a huge fail. I was a chef for years and carried my cutlery in a back pack every day for work as do nearly all chefs of those that work in a kitchen.
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Would you believe that the little Classic helped me in the ER last night? Their trauma shears were too large to get a cut on the bandage we put on the finger, but those little SAK scissors got in the tight space no problem. So apparently I was armed and I'm happy I was
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I used to carry a long Philips screwdriver with a dimpled blue rubber handle grip and a yellow plastic covered shaft when I was young. I carried it instead of something "normal" like a blanket or teddy. And I was taught by my parents how to hold it so I didn't skewer someone accidentally (Hold it by the driver end).
Am I a coward? For edcing a screwdriver when I was knee/waist high? :twak:
(Incidentally I apparently also liked corkscrews back then. I think I know why I like SAKs so much. :D)
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I used to carry a long Philips screwdriver with a dimpled blue rubber handle grip and a yellow plastic covered shaft when I was young. I carried it instead of something "normal" like a blanket or teddy. And I was taught by my parents how to hold it so I didn't skewer someone accidentally (Hold it by the driver end).
Am I a coward? For edcing a screwdriver when I was knee/waist high? :twak:
(Incidentally I apparently also liked corkscrews back then. I think I know why I like SAKs so much. :D)
I carried a hammer when I was like 2-3 years old :D I had a real one for hammering nails in a length of log that I had :o I never mashed my fingers (according to my parents) and I still have a couple of them :cheers: In fact the small ball peen hammer I used on my Master Ranger mod is one of them :like: One of myt mothers uncles work at a handle mill and he put the handle in that hammer for me, painted the handle red and blue. put my initials in it and gave it to me :like: It still has that same handle in it and I never hit anyone or anything I wasn't suppose to (again that is according to my parents :D )
Children need to be taught to use these tools properly and not be made afraid of them :facepalm:
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I used to carry a long Philips screwdriver with a dimpled blue rubber handle grip and a yellow plastic covered shaft when I was young. I carried it instead of something "normal" like a blanket or teddy. And I was taught by my parents how to hold it so I didn't skewer someone accidentally (Hold it by the driver end).
Am I a coward? For edcing a screwdriver when I was knee/waist high? :twak:
(Incidentally I apparently also liked corkscrews back then. I think I know why I like SAKs so much. :D)
I carried a hammer when I was like 2-3 years old :D I had a real one for hammering nails in a length of log that I had :o I never mashed my fingers (according to my parents) and I still have a couple of them :cheers: In fact the small ball peen hammer I used on my Master Ranger mod is one of them :like: One of myt mothers uncles work at a handle mill and he put the handle in that hammer for me, painted the handle red and blue. put my initials in it and gave it to me :like: It still has that same handle in it and I never hit anyone or anything I wasn't suppose to (again that is according to my parents :D )
Children need to be taught to use these tools properly and not be made afraid of them :facepalm:
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This is either the same screwdriver, or from the same set. Its gotten a few bumps and such through the years.
(http://i.imgur.com/BCz4Hok.jpg)
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Its been replaced by the bladeless woodsman and other screwdrivers in the screwdriving role, but it still has a place. :salute:
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I used to carry a long Philips screwdriver with a dimpled blue rubber handle grip and a yellow plastic covered shaft when I was young. I carried it instead of something "normal" like a blanket or teddy. And I was taught by my parents how to hold it so I didn't skewer someone accidentally (Hold it by the driver end).
Am I a coward? For edcing a screwdriver when I was knee/waist high? :twak:
(Incidentally I apparently also liked corkscrews back then. I think I know why I like SAKs so much. :D)
I carried a hammer when I was like 2-3 years old :D I had a real one for hammering nails in a length of log that I had :o I never mashed my fingers (according to my parents) and I still have a couple of them :cheers: In fact the small ball peen hammer I used on my Master Ranger mod is one of them :like: One of myt mothers uncles work at a handle mill and he put the handle in that hammer for me, painted the handle red and blue. put my initials in it and gave it to me :like: It still has that same handle in it and I never hit anyone or anything I wasn't suppose to (again that is according to my parents :D )
Children need to be taught to use these tools properly and not be made afraid of them :facepalm:
:cheers:
This is either the same screwdriver, or from the same set. Its gotten a few bumps and such through the years.
(http://i.imgur.com/BCz4Hok.jpg)
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Its been replaced by the bladeless woodsman and other screwdrivers in the screwdriving role, but it still has a place. :salute:
Definitely :cheers: and it looks like a good quality driver and it has that sentimental vibe to it :like: :like:
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I'm guessing I'm the only one that took 30 sec find out a little bit, rather than look at a picture with no context and just go 'I touched a tool as a child' or 'I carried my work tools as an adult'?
This is nothing to do with adults and their tools of the job, or telling kids to be afraid of, or not allowing them to use tools, it's about kids being dumb.
They are a group working with kids trying to get them to realise the consequences of doing something dumb, like using blades and other common implements on each other.
Their agenda is trying to stop wasted lives, and needless deaths.
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I'm guessing I'm the only one that took 30 sec find out a little bit, rather than look at a picture with no context and just go 'I touched a tool as a child' or 'I carried my work tools as an adult'?
This is nothing to do with adults and their tools of the job, or telling kids to be afraid of, or not allowing them to use tools, it's about kids being dumb.
They are a group working with kids trying to get them to realise the consequences of doing something dumb, like using blades and other common implements on each other.
Their agenda is trying to stop wasted lives, and needless deaths.
Well said moonweasel :cheers:
From their website ...
About the Charity
Only Cowards Carry Weapons Awareness was founded in November 2012 by Caroline Shearer in memory of her 17 year old son Jay Whiston, who was fatally stabbed in September 2012. Continually driven by the devastating loss of Jay, Caroline and the team have worked tirelessly to promote Only Cowards Carry Weapons Awareness in the hope that young people understand the stark facts and devastating, life changing, true reality of knife crime. Caroline began to investigate education given to children at school, and discovered that although children were being taught internet safety, road safety and even sex education from as young as 7 years old, there was no provision for Weapons Awareness education.
What We Do
What we do
Only Cowards Carry Weapons Awareness was given full charity status and within the first 2 years over 22,000 students, parents and teachers have requested OCC’s unique and engaging Weapons Awareness programmes. The charity continues to grow and now works in partnership with Essex Police, Crimestoppers, MP’s and other crime prevention organisations.
OCC delivers powerful messages that also helps to reduce alcohol and drug misuse, gang culture, parent and teacher awareness.
The Only Cowards Carry team are forever grateful for the support they receive in helping to keep our communities safe.
Mission Statement
Mission Statement:
For weapons awareness education to be added to the national school curriculum.
To raise awareness of the dangers and consequences of carrying a weapon.
To petition for tougher action against knife and weapon crime.
To change the mindset of teenagers who think they are 'cool' and 'safe' by carrying a weapon
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I understand that, and its a noble goal.
But, a screwdriver? :-\
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Context or no context (majority of people are not going to read anything about the organization) and make assumptions on the symbol alone and I think that their choices of what I would call a weapon are not a screwdriver and a hammer :facepalm: I understand we need awareness towards knives and tools but to call people cowards because they carry them (if carried for the correct reasoning) is associating bad behavior and weaponizing with those items :-\ I say this not because I haven't read this but because most people aren't going to and jump to the same conclusion we have here ;)
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That's why I posted the snippets from their website ;)
The carrying of these items as tools is not being confused with the carrying of these items as weapons.
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That's why I posted the snippets from their website ;)
The carrying of these items as tools is not being confused with the carrying of these items as weapons.
I know but the average person will not read what the sign is about just see the image :shrug:
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That's why I posted the snippets from their website ;)
The carrying of these items as tools is not being confused with the carrying of these items as weapons.
I know but the average person will not read what the sign is about just see the image :shrug:
That could be a geographical thing. It's not unknown for somebody unhinged over here to use a claw hammer or screwdriver as a weapon. The Yorkshire Ripper, a serial killer over here, used such items as weapons, and even stuff like a stone in a sock. I know somebody who got mugged and stabbed by a taxi driver with a screwdriver. It's not the items themselves that are the focus of the campaign, but the act of carrying them with intent to harm.
I have no affiliation with the charity, or any other such organisation. Just attempting to lend a little clarity here. :salute:
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I get the clarity and get that anything can be made to use as a weapon :salute: but it would help if they included the name of their charity on the logo so people could get a better idea about them and why they have a logo such as this :cheers:
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I get the clarity :salute: but it would help if they included the name of their charity on the logo so people could get a better idea about them and why they have a logo such as this :cheers:
They did .... :D
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That first pic is just gold! :2tu:
I'm having a beer at the beach and just got some weird looks when I almost had it dripping from my nose. Thanks! :D
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They can write anything they want. Won't make it true or any less moronic because at the core it isn't about saving lives but something entirely different.
Now how do I know this? Simple. I've been a volunteer for 2 organizations in the past. Just from September 2016 to April 2017 I've logged in over 300 hours. I was the administrator and coordinator. And to be fair both of the organization's volunteers cared about children and the issue they were tackling. At least the majority of them did. But on the higher level, it was about self-promotion, money, getting ahead in the business world, monopoly on doing that grand deed and fear mongering. Only reason why I quit was because people who cared about themselves and some holier than thou bs were getting backed while those who truly cared were a resource to be used, abused and discarded.
So yes it does say they want to protect lives. This isn't the way to do it. This isn't educating, this is just getting into the heads of the population with a terrific scare tactic. Next time a kid gets in trouble for having these "weapons", how many will ask if that same kid was just helping someone out by using those tools as they were intended.
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It's about raising awareness about the consequenses of carrying a tool/knife as a weapon and using it.
Like I said, I'm having a beer at the beach.
I want to stab someone?
I'll just break my bottle.
Or I'll grab my pen!
Or I'll just get up, pick my chair up and start bashing heads.
Heal the mind,.the rest will follow!
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I get the clarity :salute: but it would help if they included the name of their charity on the logo so people could get a better idea about them and why they have a logo such as this :cheers:
They did .... :D
Well they need to work on the name then :whistle: :rofl:
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They can write anything they want. Won't make it true or any less moronic because at the core it isn't about saving lives but something entirely different.
Now how do I know this? Simple. I've been a volunteer for 2 organizations in the past. Just from September 2016 to April 2017 I've logged in over 300 hours. I was the administrator and coordinator. And to be fair both of the organization's volunteers cared about children and the issue they were tackling. At least the majority of them did. But on the higher level, it was about self-promotion, money, getting ahead in the business world, monopoly on doing that grand deed and fear mongering. Only reason why I quit was because people who cared about themselves and some holier than thou bs were getting backed while those who truly cared were a resource to be used, abused and discarded.
So yes it does say they want to protect lives. This isn't the way to do it. This isn't educating, this is just getting into the heads of the population with a terrific scare tactic. Next time a kid gets in trouble for having these "weapons", how many will ask if that same kid was just helping someone out by using those tools as they were intended.
:think: :think: Slightly confusing ...
Firstly, good for you for trying to do good work with kids, and I'm sorry the organisations had other more selfish ambitions.
Secondly, the charity was started by a woman whose son was killed by someone carrying something purely to cause harm with it. This is all the charity is trying to stop. Nowhere do I see anything that says that these tools shouldn't be used for what they were meant to be used for. There is nothing to lead you to that conclusion.
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It's about raising awareness about the consequenses of carrying a tool/knife as a weapon and using it.
Like I said, I'm having a beer at the beach.
I want to stab someone?
I'll just break my bottle.
Or I'll grab my pen!
Or I'll just get up, pick my chair up and start bashing heads.
Heal the mind,.the rest will follow!
:tu: Spontaneous events will always flare up.
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They can write anything they want. Won't make it true or any less moronic because at the core it isn't about saving lives but something entirely different.
Now how do I know this? Simple. I've been a volunteer for 2 organizations in the past. Just from September 2016 to April 2017 I've logged in over 300 hours. I was the administrator and coordinator. And to be fair both of the organization's volunteers cared about children and the issue they were tackling. At least the majority of them did. But on the higher level, it was about self-promotion, money, getting ahead in the business world, monopoly on doing that grand deed and fear mongering. Only reason why I quit was because people who cared about themselves and some holier than thou bs were getting backed while those who truly cared were a resource to be used, abused and discarded.
So yes it does say they want to protect lives. This isn't the way to do it. This isn't educating, this is just getting into the heads of the population with a terrific scare tactic. Next time a kid gets in trouble for having these "weapons", how many will ask if that same kid was just helping someone out by using those tools as they were intended.
:think: :think: Slightly confusing ...
Firstly, good for you for trying to do good work with kids, and I'm sorry the organisations had other more selfish ambitions.
Secondly, the charity was started by a woman whose son was killed by someone carrying something purely to cause harm with it. This is all the charity is trying to stop. Nowhere do I see anything that says that these tools shouldn't be used for what they were meant to be used for. There is nothing to lead you to that conclusion.
Few years ago we had a similar thing in my city. Kid was stabbed and died. Poor kid, right? Turned out that the kid's friends ran instead of calling the ambulance. Still the story didn't make much sense. Turned out that the kid attacked someone with a knife and that someone stabbed him in the tussle.
See how easy it is to manipulate things? We know only a few facts and have a very aggressive campaign thrown at us.
I get the clarity :salute: but it would help if they included the name of their charity on the logo so people could get a better idea about them and why they have a logo such as this :cheers:
They did .... :D
Well they need to work on the name then :whistle: :rofl:
My services are available for a fee. And I've got a very good track record ;)
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Thank you for the clarity . Honestly tho, it does nothing to change my post. Someone sees that as a sticker or billboard and most will make a judgment. Call me simple minded but lets be reasonable that image alone makes a statement. Thats how this sort of thing works.
Its terrible this group was started in the first place. That poor family had to suffer such a tragedy. I'm sure its part healing and certainly part education. I also realize most any item can and is used as a weapon. I also realize knife crime in certain parts of the world, heck a lot of the world is very real.
Who is this targeted at? I saw very small kids. The Cookie Monster is directly targeted toward a very specific demographic and their parents by default. So when a young kid sees this they automatically think what? They go look up the website? Sure maybe their parents do, maybe not. For those reasons I'll again stand by what I posted.
Maybe I am seeing this wrong. I very well might not seeing the other side. My mom always said "no matter how thin you slice it, theres always two sides". I do get this group is trying to send a message. Unless everyone who sees this picture goes and digs further I do think the message is the picture.
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I don't know for certain, but I think kids were involved in the design of that logo - kids of the age that they're trying to dissuade from carrying stuff. If that's right, it seems that is what is in the kids mind of what is/was been carried by certain people in that area. Bear in mind this is a specific local charity, and is not necessarily meant to "translate" everywhere else. The inclusion of cookie monster is because the kid that got killed had cookie monster tattooed on his arse, so it's in memory of him rather than specifically to kids that haven't learned to count to twelve yet. So this logo is meant to have specific meaning in the placed where it was set up, rather than wider meaning across the world in areas the message was not intended for.
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I don't know for certain, but I think kids were involved in the design of that logo - kids of the age that they're trying to dissuade from carrying stuff. If that's right, it seems that is what is in the kids mind of what is/was been carried by certain people in that area. Bear in mind this is a specific local charity, and is not necessarily meant to "translate" everywhere else. The inclusion of cookie monster is because the kid that got killed had cookie monster tattooed on his arse, so it's in memory of him rather than specifically to kids that haven't learned to count to twelve yet. So this logo is meant to have specific meaning in the placed where it was set up, rather than wider meaning across the world in areas the message was not intended for.
Thank you. I totally get it. I really do.
Such a darn shame what we have to teach our kids. I know I feel sick when I have to "pull the curtain back" for my own kids.
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Are cops and troops in U.K. Cowards?
They carry weapons, sometime, I hope.
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I am not going to lie, I am a big coward. :whistle:
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I am not going to lie, I am a big coward. :whistle:
We knew allready! :D
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ok I really dislike wasting my time so do y'all want to hear how and why things are done in a way i'd call underhanded or would you prefer without the peak behind that particular curtain?
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I think what I and many others object to is the demonization of an object when it should be the demonization of a behavior. I grew up in the country and kids of all ages had pocket knives. In high school, during hunting season, some kids came to school with rifles on a rack in their pickup truck. No one got stabbed and no one got shot.
One of the most successful grass roots awareness campaigns that I'm aware of is Mothers Against Drunk Driving. This group didn't demonize cars or demonize alcohol, it demonized a behavior that at the time it was founded wasn't taken very seriously. You'd hear people say things like, "It'll take ya a six pack to drive there."
So what has changed with teenagers? I don't know. But the message should be something more along the lines of 'Think before you lash out' and that actions have consequences. Also, calling someone a coward probably isn't the most effective way to deter them.
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I think what I and many others object to is the demonization of an object when it should be the demonization of a behavior. I grew up in the country and kids of all ages had pocket knives. In high school, during hunting season, some kids came to school with rifles on a rack in their pickup truck. No one got stabbed and no one got shot.
One of the most successful grass roots awareness campaigns that I'm aware of is Mothers Against Drunk Driving. This group didn't demonize cars or demonize alcohol, it demonized a behavior that at the time it was founded wasn't taken very seriously. You'd hear people say things like, "It'll take ya a six pack to drive there."
So what has changed with teenagers? I don't know. But the message should be something more along the lines of 'Think before you lash out' and that actions have consequences. Also, calling someone a coward probably isn't the most effective way to deter them.
The old days do seem better. :cheers:
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The old days do seem better. :cheers:
In some ways but the multitool selection was rather limited :ahhh
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The old days do seem better. :cheers:
In some ways but the multitool selection was rather limited :ahhh
Well the Romans used multitools...
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Caught this on a FB group this morning.
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You Sir are my kind of thinker! Utterly brilliant.
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The old days do seem better. :cheers:
In some ways but the multitool selection was rather limited :ahhh
Well the Romans used multitools...
Really neat.
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You Sir are my kind of thinker! Utterly brilliant.
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Glad to see I'm not the only one
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You Sir are my kind of thinker! Utterly brilliant.
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Glad to see I'm not the only one
As "they" say, one mans trash is another treasure. I love what people toss out, mostly. I love the flea market for this very reason.
I know this is not that but still, free knives :ahhh
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ok I really dislike wasting my time so do y'all want to hear how and why things are done in a way i'd call underhanded or would you prefer without the peak behind that particular curtain?
Recently the curtain was pulled back for my daughter. They know I will always tell it to them straight. They have always appreciated when I do later in some cases and in others then and there. My own parent was straight to the point. I appreciated her direct nature and in many ways made me harder to offend. I've often corrected people around me that say "the truth hurts". I always say the truth is neither brutal or meant to hurt. What is true for me is not for others and that I can recognize. Still we must live within certain societal parameters.
What makes me bummed is these stupid kids. YOLO and FU to tomorrow in some of their lives. Not all kids mind you but I am seeing kids just wilding out and not giving a smurf. Kids from good families and good backgrounds. Is there any answer? I know society has got to try but let treat the illness not the just the symptoms.
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I think what I and many others object to is the demonization of an object when it should be the demonization of a behavior.
Bingo.
While writting this up, I showed it to my housemates and a guest. In that group, you've got a government worker who routinely does PR, an engineer who has to work with the public, and a youth pastor who is also a graphical artist. Three Eagle Scouts, two of whom are Scout leaders. Add me, and thats four people who have classical educations and have to work with the public, who have to understand how the message can be lost by sloppy trappings. You had four people who felt varying degrees of insult as we unconciously tapped our pockets or belt lines.
Someone mentioned that their name is there, but without the context, their name is a statement of judgement. Libelous judgement. But of course, if you are offended, "you're the problem". You're the bad person. If you object to THIS, wow, "you're offended by a muppet and don't like kids". And it's ok, because only bad people have these things that cookie monster says are bad, and it's ok to insult bad people.
When you use a globally recognized symbol and global communications media to transmit your message without context about a local message, you know what you're doing. And I've reached the point where I don't give a damn what the sob stories are any more- it just another round of mental vomit trying to stigmatize law abiding, honorable people for the acts of people who don't care what the laws are. Pretty sure murder is illegal- it is the act that is illegal, not the tool. This is shaming against a group, this is the assignment of mass guilt.
This is intellectually dishonest. This is libel. And I"m deeply disappointed that we have members who can't understand that.
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I know society has got to try but let treat the illness not the just the symptoms.
Don't worry, they'll fix themselves. I just hope I'm out of this life by the time they smash everything up. I'm just really hoping there is intelligent life on other planets, and when I reincarnate, I can change stars. See ya, Earthworms!
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Very very sad to me, and very misguided. The implication is that if you are carrying a weapon (or tool that could be used as a weapon), then you must be a criminal, and therefore a coward.
What about those who carry tools for non-weapon purposes?
What about those who carry weapons for law-abiding purposes?
Instead of vilifying a symptom (weapons and potential weapons), how about if we instead chose to teach moral principles and respect for law? I'd rather be in a crowd of law-abiding folks with weapons, than in a room of unarmed criminals!
I truly feel sorrow for those that have lost family members to violent crime. Too often though, the emotions of the victim and family are used as justification to pass unwise and foolish legislation on the rest of society, in a misguided attempt to solve the root problems.
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I know a lot of points have been made about how this is a specific program that's trying to prevent kids using common items as weapons for various reasons, and that is all true.
But this group's name is Only Cowards Carry. So forget about screwdrivers and hammers, forget broken bottles or bricks...
The people this group are attempting to shame by parading that name/statement around include, but are not limited to all law enforcement agents, all soldiers, me, my deceased grandpa, quite a few people on this forum, and billions of other individuals, past and present. It's really easy to sit back and call people cowards when you don't know anything about them as a person or why they do what they do or carry what they carry. Some might, in fact, say it's quite cowardly. Like me, I think it's pathetic and cowardly. I could make all kinds of further statements about this, but I fear it would take a turn that very quickly gets my posts deleted and/or the thread locked, because a lot of it deals with prejudice. So it will have to suffice that I say it isn't cool and I don't care why they're doing it.
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PS. I have lost family members to violence, and this probably makes me even more disgusted by this group hiding behind "oh, it's ok because it's all for the children!" while spewing their prejudiced attempt at shaming people they've never met.
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The people this group are attempting to shame by parading that name/statement around include, but are not limited to all law enforcement agents, all soldiers, me, my deceased grandpa, quite a few people on this forum, and billions of other individuals, past and present.
No, that isn't who they are attempting to shame. They are attempting to shame children who carry things as weapons.
I think you're taking it all a bit personally.
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The people this group are attempting to shame by parading that name/statement around include, but are not limited to all law enforcement agents, all soldiers, me, my deceased grandpa, quite a few people on this forum, and billions of other individuals, past and present.
No, that isn't who they are attempting to shame. They are attempting to shame children who carry things as weapons.
I think you're taking it all a bit personally.
Oh, that's better then. Shame is a great teaching tool. I hope those cowardly children learn not to be such sniveling, craven reprobates.
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I think what this and other threads over the past few weeks are coming down to is that there are two camps here.
There is the camp which feels that being vilified by the actions by someone else is wrong, and it's insulting. Being deprived of property by the state, or being made second class citizens, or abused, or otherwise punished because someone else did something bad is morally wrong and any attempt to justify it is intellectually dishonest. It is wrong when the distinction is your income, your religion, your skin color, your gender, your sexual orientation, nationality or choosing to be a tool making, tool using, self sufficient member of a tool making and using species. It is bigotry. And we're sick of it. And we're tired of it. And we're speaking up.
And then there is the faction that thinks we are in the wrong to feel this way.
I don't have an answer for it. But if I wanted to be spit on, I'd wear my NRA hat and go down town into the campus district. Someone (undoubtedly with poor hygiene and a huge trust fund) would happily oblige me if that was my wish. But I feel that this forum is, deep down, is slowly shifting to not longer be a friendly, safe and supporting community for multitool and knife owners. On a global level. Too many people are taking stances that sound like "surrender to the inevitable, we can't win".
That bothers me. That bothers me greatly.
If our ancestors wanted to surrender to the inevitable, we'd still be on the menu.
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I really think that people are getting all bent out of shape over this and without understanding the context.
Teenage knife crime is constantly in the media here in the UK, but the problem is that it's impossible to get to the facts behind the statistics to truly see where the problems lay, age group, region, type of 'weapon' etc. There is also one bit of information that will never be released, ethnic background.
At the end of January '17 the government published the Quarterly crime Statistics Bulletin which reported that knife crime in England and Wales had increased by 11% on the previous year. The NHS reported an increase of 13% in hospital admissions for knife wounds (very carefully worded to not differentiate between accidental and malicious). The conclusion of the report stated that this was due to an improvement in record keeping and 'an actual rise in knife crime'. In February the MET police commissioner indicated that between 2014 and 2016 the number of children carrying knives in schools rose by almost 50% and the number of offences involving a knife in schools rose by 26%.
In October '16, the Sentencing Council published draft guidelines for stiffer sentences for people carrying knives. Chief Constable Alf Hitchcock, who leads the National Police Chiefs Council task force on knife crime, told the London Evening Standard in early March that the “peak age” for carrying knives is “getting younger”, and is currently between 13 and 17. “You’ve got a group of people probably being influenced by their siblings, by their peer group, and carrying, which is not a good trend,” he said. In Manchester, parents of a 14-year-old were ordered to pay £1,000 to a boy their son stabbed several times outside school. During a month-long amnesty in Surrey, police collected 237 knives, which will be used, along with knives collected by police across the country, in a 27ft sculpture called Knife Angel, which may yet adorn the empty fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square.
When politicians and officials seek to pre-empt public indignation by making statements about wake-up calls and warning lights, it is a sign that something unacceptable is unfolding, which they lack either the will or the ability to address.
“How many more of our children have to die before the government act?” – is both damning and complex. Many more children will die from knife-related violence; indeed, four more have been stabbed to death since she posed it. But it is not because the government and related agencies are not acting. Pretty much every week, somewhere in the country, there is some kind of initiative to tackle “knife crime”’ – an amnesty, a new charity in the name of the fallen, an appeal from police, a mayoral statement.
The trouble is that these efforts seem to have little effect. That might be because efforts to make a positive intervention are dwarfed by all the things the government is doing that are making the situation worse. These deaths occur at a moment when the country has made a conscious decision to defund and under-resource its young. When you slash youth services, underfund child mental health services and make swingeing cuts to education and policing, there will be an effect. The most vulnerable will suffer. Austerity didn’t invent knife crime, but it is certainly contributing to the conditions in which it can thrive.[/quote]
The media did not invent “knife crime” either. But, with considerable help from the politicians, it has certainly shaped – or rather distorted – our understanding of it.
These distortions are, in no small part, made possible by the paucity of accessible facts. National data on the number of children and teens killed by knives in any given year is not publicly available. Contact the Home Office and it will tell you that individual police forces collect that information; for the best available data, it suggests that you try the Office for National Statistics. Contact the ONS and it informs you that all the deaths in England and Wales are collated in the Homicide Index, which is maintained by the Home Office. Send a freedom of information request to the Home Office and it refuses on the grounds that it would “be likely to prejudice the prevention or detection of crime or the apprehension or prosecution of offenders”. It also notes that the release of the names of victims could endanger the safety, or physical or mental health of their families.
So, while knife crime, particularly as it affects young people, has been the subject of national debate for a decade, our awareness of its true scale is limited, our grasp of its trajectory is only approximate, and coverage of it is erratic. In short, as a nation we are conscious that there is something out there known as “knife crime”, but as yet we lack any coherent or enduring national response.
Without accessible official data, or well-informed discussion, our understanding of the problem is cobbled together from a mixture of personal assumptions, media representation and political projection. “Our opinions cover a bigger space, a longer reach of time, a greater number of things, than we can directly observe,” wrote Walter Lippmann in his landmark book Public Opinion. “They have, therefore, to be pieced together out of what others have reported.” But what others report when it comes to knife crime is neither neutral nor consistent.
Edited to add - We now have seen a rapid and alarming rise in 'acid' attacks, something that was a very rare occurrence before this year and was mainly limited to one specific culture and motive. The media are having a field day with it at the moment, simply because here, like every other country in the world, the media have become 'The Media' and stopped doing what they had previously done. Investigate and report the news.
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The thread title is epic fail.
The epic fail is not one little charity working in one little corner of a small island nation to raise awareness of something in their immediate community, but the attempts of people from a different cultural and legal perspective in other lands to "globalise" this and therefore make it about them somehow. It's not. Not even remotely.
Related fails include legal assumptions based not on the laws of the land where the charity works, but on laws of the overseas commentators. The fails there are too epic for me to waste time on. Hardly any of the legal assumptions in this thread are right from what I can see.
It's so... :facepalm:... it's almost (but still not quite) laughable.
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The thread title is epic fail.
The epic fail is not one little charity working in one little corner of a small island nation to raise awareness of something in their immediate community, but the attempts of people from a different cultural and legal perspective in other lands to "globalise" this and therefore make it about them somehow. It's not. Not even remotely.
Hear hear. :salute:
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The people this group are attempting to shame by parading that name/statement around include, but are not limited to all law enforcement agents, all soldiers, me, my deceased grandpa, quite a few people on this forum, and billions of other individuals, past and present.
No, that isn't who they are attempting to shame. They are attempting to shame children who carry things as weapons.
I think you're taking it all a bit personally.
Agree with that. I think it's very obvious that the campaign is against carrying tools as weapons. The knee jerk reaction of 'they are saying tools are weapons' is far out of proportion to the message IMO. Weapons carry in the UK is illegal full stop. The legitimacy of that can be debated but not the illegal carry of tools as weapons. It is against the law.
I'm not sure I agree with the campaign. I don't think cowardice is the motivation for carrying weapons. Outside of psycho babble. Using bad arguments does not advance a cause, however worthy. I also find the laws against self defence outmoded in a country which blatantly cannot begin to protect its citizens using the police force. I agree with the concept but it has to be backed up with protection for the citizenry. I am worried about the situation (I'm a Brit and the vast majority of my family live there) because I do not see an answer. The 'band aid' type solutions are trying to hide a reality where the underlying problems are probably far beyond repair at this point and only getting worse.
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IMO there are two reasons why anyone would carry a knife or a gun.
1. Neccesity.
2. Macho or criminal behaviour.
The second reason is one we should not condone and that's where education and law (enforcement) come in.
Raising awareness is not a bad thing but some methods may be questionable for people with different cultural backgrounds. (And questionable doesn't neccesarily mean wrong).
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The thread title is epic fail.
The epic fail is not one little charity working in one little corner of a small island nation to raise awareness of something in their immediate community, but the attempts of people from a different cultural and legal perspective in other lands to "globalise" this and therefore make it about them somehow. It's not. Not even remotely.
Related fails include legal assumptions based not on the laws of the land where the charity works, but on laws of the overseas commentators. The fails there are too epic for me to waste time on. Hardly any of the legal assumptions in this thread are right from what I can see.
It's so... :facepalm:... it's almost (but still not quite) laughable.
The problem is that those things tend to spill over the borders of one little corner of a small island. I wouldn't exactly call Britain small, but that is a landmass vs cultural significance debate. And regardless of the Brexit, Britain is a big player in the EU.
Since you're keen on hitting that cultural perspective, tell me is there a legitimate reason a teen could carry a tool in Essex?
As far as legality goes - criminals don't adhere to laws anyway so either that point is moot or we're just starring at a very huge can of worms.
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The thread title is epic fail.
The epic fail is not one little charity working in one little corner of a small island nation to raise awareness of something in their immediate community, but the attempts of people from a different cultural and legal perspective in other lands to "globalise" this and therefore make it about them somehow. It's not. Not even remotely.
Related fails include legal assumptions based not on the laws of the land where the charity works, but on laws of the overseas commentators. The fails there are too epic for me to waste time on. Hardly any of the legal assumptions in this thread are right from what I can see.
It's so... :facepalm:... it's almost (but still not quite) laughable.
The problem is that those things tend to spill over the borders of one little corner of a small island. I wouldn't exactly call Britain small, but that is a landmass vs cultural significance debate. And regardless of the Brexit, Britain is a big player in the EU.
Since you're keen on hitting that cultural perspective, tell me is there a legitimate reason a teen could carry a tool in Essex?
As far as legality goes - criminals don't adhere to laws anyway so either that point is moot or we're just starring at a very huge can of worms.
Of course. A teen just like any other person in the UK is allowed to carry whatever they need to carry out their daily lives. It's only the act of carrying for the purposes of causing harm that they are trying to change, not carrying of household items under any circumstances whatsoever. If the teen in question is on his way to fix his Gran's garden gate, no problem.
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The thread title is epic fail.
The epic fail is not one little charity working in one little corner of a small island nation to raise awareness of something in their immediate community, but the attempts of people from a different cultural and legal perspective in other lands to "globalise" this and therefore make it about them somehow. It's not. Not even remotely.
Related fails include legal assumptions based not on the laws of the land where the charity works, but on laws of the overseas commentators. The fails there are too epic for me to waste time on. Hardly any of the legal assumptions in this thread are right from what I can see.
It's so... :facepalm:... it's almost (but still not quite) laughable.
The problem is that those things tend to spill over the borders of one little corner of a small island. I wouldn't exactly call Britain small, but that is a landmass vs cultural significance debate. And regardless of the Brexit, Britain is a big player in the EU.
Since you're keen on hitting that cultural perspective, tell me is there a legitimate reason a teen could carry a tool in Essex?
As far as legality goes - criminals don't adhere to laws anyway so either that point is moot or we're just starring at a very huge can of worms.
Of course. A teen just like any other person in the UK is allowed to carry whatever they need to carry out their daily lives. It's only the act of carrying for the purposes of causing harm that they are trying to change, not carrying of household items under any circumstances whatsoever. If the teen in question is on his way to fix his Gran's garden gate, no problem.
And if said teen wants to EDC a tool?
Thats a similar situation to the one I find myself in here in the ROI. There is no provision for carrying a multi for daily EDC purposes under the law here, and I doubt that "Its my daily EDC" would fly as a "reasonable excuse". :-\
But I'm going off topic now.... :facepalm:
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The thread title is epic fail.
The epic fail is not one little charity working in one little corner of a small island nation to raise awareness of something in their immediate community, but the attempts of people from a different cultural and legal perspective in other lands to "globalise" this and therefore make it about them somehow. It's not. Not even remotely.
Related fails include legal assumptions based not on the laws of the land where the charity works, but on laws of the overseas commentators. The fails there are too epic for me to waste time on. Hardly any of the legal assumptions in this thread are right from what I can see.
It's so... :facepalm:... it's almost (but still not quite) laughable.
The problem is that those things tend to spill over the borders of one little corner of a small island. I wouldn't exactly call Britain small, but that is a landmass vs cultural significance debate. And regardless of the Brexit, Britain is a big player in the EU.
Since you're keen on hitting that cultural perspective, tell me is there a legitimate reason a teen could carry a tool in Essex?
As far as legality goes - criminals don't adhere to laws anyway so either that point is moot or we're just starring at a very huge can of worms.
Of course. A teen just like any other person in the UK is allowed to carry whatever they need to carry out their daily lives. It's only the act of carrying for the purposes of causing harm that they are trying to change, not carrying of household items under any circumstances whatsoever. If the teen in question is on his way to fix his Gran's garden gate, no problem.
And if said teen wants to EDC a tool?
Thats a similar situation to the one I find myself in here in the ROI. There is no provision for carrying a multi for daily EDC purposes under the law here, and I doubt that "Its my daily EDC" would fly as a "reasonable excuse". :-\
But I'm going off topic now.... :facepalm:
The object only becomes a problem under certain conditions. I do not believe that age alone is enough to trigger legal intervention. The officer in question would have to be able to demonstrate in a court of law that said item was being carried for nefarious purposes. A teen with a LM Juice in his pocket or a Vic Classic on his keys is not automatically up to no good (unless being carried in a blade free environment such as schools, airports etc). Questions may be asked, but for legal intervention there has to be cause to believe that the individual intends to use it to break a law. This is purely my interpretation, and ultimately it would be a charge officer's/magistrate's/jury's interpretation of the situation that matters.
Again this is not what they are trying to change. They are trying to stop youths carrying items as weapons, not to stop them engaging in productive activities.
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To be fair our local law says that umbrellas can be considered dangerous weapons in crowded places like public gatherings, concerts, etc.
Most here agree on the point that they want to accomplish - stop youths carrying items as weapons. But they are going by vilifying the items because of the actions, not the actions regardless of items used.
I oddly took the time to look into some practices that are pretty much standard in Europe and if personal experience is any gauge then I can pinpoint why the campaign is the way it is. In developing such projects, experts (very loose term for any smurf willing to lose way too much time) have to cerate a cause effect relationship. Often it is done in a tree form, but my suspicion is that it is just one visual approach to a general way of doing it. Now the cause is the hilariously dumb problem because of a cutoff point that has to be imposed.
The cutoff point serves because the root of every problem is deeper and usually comes down to local laws, economy and similar things that organizations can't influence. And that is when it comes to the zealotic prerogative of one individual
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The thread title is epic fail.
The epic fail is not one little charity working in one little corner of a small island nation to raise awareness of something in their immediate community, but the attempts of people from a different cultural and legal perspective in other lands to "globalise" this and therefore make it about them somehow. It's not. Not even remotely.
Related fails include legal assumptions based not on the laws of the land where the charity works, but on laws of the overseas commentators. The fails there are too epic for me to waste time on. Hardly any of the legal assumptions in this thread are right from what I can see.
It's so... :facepalm:... it's almost (but still not quite) laughable.
I didn't personally say anything about laws, so I have to assume that bit isn't directed at me. However the bolded bit seems to be, and I have to take issue with the assertion that because something takes place in another country, or is being done by a relatively small group, that makes it none of my business. Since I'm an American I should just shut up about anything that happens anywhere else in the world, because my cultural background prohibits me from understanding it? That's a really ignorant idea, and I'm disappointed to see this kind of close-mindedness on MTo.
I have no problems with the people of the United Kingdom, whether I agree with all the laws in place there or relate to every facet of the culture, or not. In fact, the harshest sentiment I've ever even posted about knife restrictions specifically can be summed up as "hey, that's a bummer." Not because I think my culture is superior, or my laws are more just. But because I assume that everyone posting on this forum is a tool/knife enthusiast of some description, and find it to be kind of a downer that some of my fellow hobbyists have stricter laws to contend with, which may hinder their enjoyment of said hobby.
When people from other nations comment on United States politics or anything else, my response isn't "look at that foreigner trying to butt in on my glorious nation's culture, he should mind his own business." I try to understand his point of view, and consider how his specific background (which may include nationality, ethnicity, religion, etc, etc) might color his perspective, and attempt to have a civil discourse wherein we might compare and contrast our viewpoints and gain a greater understanding of one another.
But when it comes to the issue of an organization that chooses to basically slander all who carry weapons with even the naming of their group, I don't care where they are or what they're doing. Whatever good intentions there are behind it, they're leading with an insulting generalization that is a textbook example of demonizing the opposition. I'm not going to take the stance that says "oh, these guys are a small group from another nation, so they're allowed to defame me and billions of others."
What is it about the size and location of both the nation and organization that should inspire me to give them a free pass? I'm not calling for them to be dismantled or their ideas silenced, I am just expressing my opinion on their chosen tactic.
I've tried to make this post as clear as I can, and get my points across, though I sometimes struggle to capture exactly what I want to say in text. I'm not a good writer by any stretch. I know a lot of people, including some on this forum, like to argue points. I generally prefer to discuss them. This case is especially silly since, if they had named the group almost anything else, I wouldn't have even bothered to comment. But they did, and so I have responded to it in the only way I feel it should be responded to.
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Im a biggest coward :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCOJLe02B2k
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Come on guys let's cool down on this one a bit :salute: It seems to be drifting toward political and we don't want that ;)
It all started with a pic that the majority of us had no clue about and went from there :facepalm: So let's agree to disagree and move on :cheers:
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Come on guys let's cool down on this one a bit :salute: It seems to be drifting toward political and we don't want that ;)
It all started with a pic that the majority of us had no clue about and went from there :facepalm: So let's agree to disagree and move on :cheers:
I'm chilling now. :drink: :cheers: :drink: :cheers:
Maybe too much drink? :D
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I have to object to the only cowards carry tools line. They should rephrase that. Boyscouts are cowards? I'm in the always be prepared camp as is my son and wife.
A sharpened stick is equally dangerous ad a screwdriver so let's drop the naming of objects more used as tools then weapons and think of a better slogan.
It needs to target the youth violence itself not the method as to how it's carried out or nothing is going to be solved. Why do they want to attack each other? Do they need more positive things to do with their time? Probably but I don't know.
Kids should want to be like macgyver still even though it's not the 80s.
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We don't have to agree. We also don't have to like our own law or anyones else laws. I enjoy a good discussion but as of late it gets too personal. Come on guys, on both side chill the F out.
That being said, I along with others were just reacting to the picture of the Cookie Monster with the slogan without any context as to political, social, cultural, regional or otherwise.
I had no clue nor did I look up what the reason for the picture was as I believe others didn't or wouldn't do. I didnt care where it was targeted as it could have been here in the city I live and my reaction would be the same. I never took the time to look up why this picture created. My reaction is based solely on the picture and text.
Having clearly stated the picture with slogan was directed at a specific area then it all made sense. While I still stand by my reaction to the picture and text only, I understand better and am sad this is needed anywhere.
Guys, its really simple. I understand as do most of you that this familys grief was channeled in a way they felt was right. Hell I can fully respect that and I know many of you can. Whether we agree on how they went about their LOGO is really where I and others I believe were taking issue. We dont have to agree but as with the other thread we shouldnt take jabs, from either side. Clearly we have some passionate folks and passionate about their homelands.
Thank you all for posting I do appreciate it. I read thru every post with a clear perspective.
Guys please stop bickering back an forth about anything remotely political. This is never going to go well and we all know that. At that same time lets not get to sensitive that we cannot have a feisty debate about things. I do really enjoy when we can have a lively conversation but a fair one.
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Whose turn is it to buy a round? :gimme: :drink:
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double post
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I'm a little confused as to the extent that the charities' and my comments seem to have been taken out of context.
If a small charity was set up in another country (with a legal system I am not familiar with) for issues local and specific to them, I wouldn't relate them to UK law and then get upset about them. Even if I didn't understand them and asked genuine questions about them, if someone tried to explain them from a local perspective , I'd try to understand it purely from their perspective and leave it at that. I don't see why people should get upset and take personal offence at something that doesn't affect them or isn't aimed at them in any way. To claim it's libelous ... seriously? Who to? Based on whose laws?
This is a logo that folks didn't initially understand. Fair enough, out of context it can look very perplexing and potentially inflammatory if that was used elsewhere. I completely understand that. So, I've looked into it and tried to share some context and clarity as to what it's actually about, and who it's actually aimed at etc. People have then asked specific questions about the way a teen in the UK would be judged at the scene, and I've tried to answer those too.
This is not a cause I am championing or anything I am affiliated to in any way.
However, taking offence when a slogan, name, logo or any other aspect is taken outside of the context and locality and placed into another environment or judged from a completely different perspective from where it was intended and used is simply ridiculous. There is absolutely nothing to be achieved there aside from feeding persecutory delusions, and justifying personal crusades... but that's only possible if you misinterpret what is actually happening with this charity/logo. In it's original setting and context, and without reading other stuff into it that isn't actually there, there is nothing whatsoever for a wider audience to get upset about. You have to intentionally remove it from it's original context and measure it against things that don't apply here for it to be inflammatory.
If someone wants more clarity on something, and if I can answer the question, I'm happy to assist where I can - but I'm not interested in some out of context pissing contest when it is judged against standards from a different system, or viewed from a totally different perspective to which it actually relates. That's just nonsense. That is why I facepalmed.
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Whose turn is it to buy a round? :gimme: :drink:
Well volunteered Ben. Cheers mate :D
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Come on guys let's cool down on this one a bit :salute: It seems to be drifting toward political and we don't want that ;)
It all started with a pic that the majority of us had no clue about and went from there :facepalm: So let's agree to disagree and move on :cheers:
^ This
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I'll buy. :drink:
Meet at The Stone Pony in Asbury Park, NJ?
If in a hurry, tonight at The Saint in Asbury Park. :D
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I'll meet you there, I just need to get Concord back into service in less than 3 hours.
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Mine's a Guinness. :cheers:
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I'll buy. :drink:
Meet at The Stone Pony in Asbury Park, NJ?
If in a hurry, tonight at The Saint in Asbury Park. :D
:cheers: :drink: :rofl:
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Rather not, I've had as many as my liver can take already tonight.
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Rather not, I've had as many as my liver can take already tonight.
Maybe another time, then. :cheers:
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Yeah, I think that's for the best. :cheers:
(Those Estonians sure know how to make their DIPA.)
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I'll meet you there, I just need to get Concord back into service in less than 3 hours.
And a time machine :pok:
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I'll meet you there, I just need to get Concord back into service in less than 3 hours.
And a time machine :pok:
NY time, don't forget.
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Does this bolt go here or there? :think:
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I wonder where this window goes.
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Four engines, four slots. :think:
Ah well, eeny meeny miny moe
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This is the exact reason I did not post this topic here on MT.o.
Now everyone is getting drunk for no good reason.
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This is the exact reason I did not post this topic here on MT.o.
Now everyone is getting drunk for no good reason.
Do you need a reason to get drunk?
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This is the exact reason I did not post this topic here on MT.o.
Now everyone is getting drunk for no good reason.
Do you need a reason to get drunk?
More importantly, do you need to be able to remember it when you are drunk? :ahhh
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:multi: Im Drunk and Coward
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I'll pass on the booze. A long time ago I was a mean drunk.
And again, another post that I sat on for hours, debating it. When I was a drunk, I would have posted something else. Now I'm just sad and bitter. :shrug:
I think I see part of the problem. But I can't describe it without getting political. What I will say is that when laws are passed about you, about your beliefs, your very existence becomes political.
And I guess that makes me the Designated Driver. Come on you dirty sots, you stumbling lushes, your keys, in my bag, right now. And so you don't send anything you regret, your phones to. And your wallets while you're at it- I'm going to have rent a van, you won't all fit in my car. Put 'em in! And your tools to, no drunking "fixing" of things when you can't tell which of the three screws is the real one.
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I'll pass on the booze. A long time ago I was a mean drunk.
And again, another post that I sat on for hours, debating it. When I was a drunk, I would have posted something else. Now I'm just sad and bitter. :shrug:
I think I see part of the problem. But I can't describe it without getting political. What I will say is that when laws are passed about you, about your beliefs, your very existence becomes political.
And I guess that makes me the Designated Driver. Come on you dirty sots, you stumbling lushes, your keys, in my bag, right now. And so you don't send anything you regret, your phones to. And your wallets while you're at it- I'm going to have rent a van, you won't all fit in my car. Put 'em in! And your tools to, no drunking "fixing" of things when you can't tell which of the three screws is the real one.
I don't drink so I'll assist with DD duties. Like ironraven said handem over...... this is going to be one long night.
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And your tools to, no drunking "fixing" of things when you can't tell which of the three screws is the real one.
And allow me to clarify. If you're too drunk to drive, you're too drunk to screw. You get everything but your donations to the transport fund back when you're sober.
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And your tools to, no drunking "fixing" of things when you can't tell which of the three screws is the real one.
And allow me to clarify. If you're too drunk to drive, you're too drunk to screw. You get everything but your donations to the transport fund back when you're sober.
To drunk to screw what?
Philips? Flat?
Robertson? :rofl:
:whistle:
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well, I can't drink alcohol for medical reasons but a good cup of coffee allows me to ignore all problems and forget about all trouble in the world like a dozen six-packs of beer to anyone else
(http://i.imgur.com/lQSdyXI.jpg)
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well, I can't drink alcohol for medical reasons but a good cup of coffee allows me to ignore all problems and forget about all trouble in the world like a dozen six-packs of beer to anyone
You and I have something in common.
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well, I can't drink alcohol for medical reasons but a good cup of coffee allows me to ignore all problems and forget about all trouble in the world like a dozen six-packs of beer to anyone
You and I have something in common.
other than carrying 6 inch folders, I guess :cheers:
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well, I can't drink alcohol for medical reasons but a good cup of coffee allows me to ignore all problems and forget about all trouble in the world like a dozen six-packs of beer to anyone
You and I have something in common.
other than carrying 6 inch folders, I guess :cheers:
Not sure it is easier to find someone who doesn't drink alcohol or find someone who carrys a pocket sword.
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well, I can't drink alcohol for medical reasons but a good cup of coffee allows me to ignore all problems and forget about all trouble in the world like a dozen six-packs of beer to anyone
You and I have something in common.
other than carrying 6 inch folders, I guess :cheers:
Not sure it is easier to find someone who doesn't drink alcohol or find someone who carrys a pocket sword.
I don't drink :cheers: but I don't carry a pocket sword either :ahhh
:D
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well, I can't drink alcohol for medical reasons but a good cup of coffee allows me to ignore all problems and forget about all trouble in the world like a dozen six-packs of beer to anyone
You and I have something in common.
other than carrying 6 inch folders, I guess :cheers:
Not sure it is easier to find someone who doesn't drink alcohol or find someone who carrys a pocket sword.
I don't drink :cheers: but I don't carry a pocket sword either :ahhh
:D
it had to be you! :ahhh
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well, I can't drink alcohol for medical reasons but a good cup of coffee allows me to ignore all problems and forget about all trouble in the world like a dozen six-packs of beer to anyone
You and I have something in common.
other than carrying 6 inch folders, I guess :cheers:
Not sure it is easier to find someone who doesn't drink alcohol or find someone who carrys a pocket sword.
I don't drink :cheers: but I don't carry a pocket sword either :ahhh
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I drink :drink:, although totally responsable... and my sword won't fit in a pocket, won't even fit in a regular bag
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I used to drink a lot but had to stop for medical reasons.
I did some kendo/iaido/jodo so I used to carry a shinai/boken/katana/jo too. In a fishing rod case, so as not to get any questions.
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what horrible messaging! The cause of reducing weapons crimes might be noble but the message is divisive and moves the discussion beyond the topic of preventing weapons crimes (which most people agree on) into virtue signaling bullying by suggesting who and for what reason someone is a coward.
I believe that everyone should carry a pocket knife. If I were to start a charity I wouldn't create a slogan suggesting people who don't carry a pocket knife are wussies or some other divisive message. I'd want a message of inclusion on how everyone could benefit.
Are they teaching the kids to be little narcs for the poor sap who dares show a pocket knife around them?
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Just when we thought everyone had agreed to disagree and move on...
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Just when we thought everyone had agreed to disagree and move on...
Insert theme to Jaws ::) :D
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:think:
(http://www.007james.com/i/articles/top_10_villains/jaws.jpg)
:P
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Just when we thought everyone had agreed to disagree and move on...
sorry late to the dance :whistle:
beating a dead horse is just no fun without a stick or 'weapon'
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Just when we thought everyone had agreed to disagree and move on...
sorry late to the dance :whistle:
beating a dead horse is just no fun without a stick or 'weapon'
But is of course quite necessary when you're as drunk as we should be by now, lazy horse!.... :D