What would make an ideal first aide sak?

[Santos]

Well i got a little beater micra in my 4wd first aid kit but i have decided it doesn't cut the proverbial cheese.

I want to replace it with a sak, like i stabbed myself with bamboo and it broke in my arm the other day (in a work vehicle). Fortunately the driver had the climber i gave to him so i had some tweezers.

So far i am thinking the compact but i am open to suggestions (or just tool to add to a list for a custom job.   )

Not to fussed about losing the LM scissors as i am trying to find some compact serrated first aid type ones (no idea what they called but i have had one from a give away scheme for the last 15 years, it cuts through tin, paper and skin like butter)

Any input appreciated 

[donvito]

Trauma or EMT Shears is the name you're looking for, a good piece of kit to have in your aid bag. A Climber or Compact with scissors are great for FAKs (First Aid Kits) as well (I have one in mine). 

[Zed]

Trauma or EMT Shears is the name you're looking for, a good piece of kit to have in your aid bag. A Climber or Compact with scissors are great for FAKs (First Aid Kits) as well (I have one in mine). 

i think the climber is a good one, also im first aid trained and use it a lot in my job, i recently found that the serrated scissors on my esquire cut through bandages better than the Vics, actually for my job i think a sig light with wenger scissors would be a useful tool  as would use the little torch,and the pen and scissors i prefer. but yes i second the climber as mines always been very useful .

paul   

[donvito]

Trauma or EMT Shears is the name you're looking for, a good piece of kit to have in your aid bag. A Climber or Compact with scissors are great for FAKs (First Aid Kits) as well (I have one in mine). 

i think the climber is a good one, also im first aid trained and use it a lot in my job, i recently found that the serrated scissors on my esquire cut through bandages better than the Vics, actually for my job i think a sig light with wenger scissors would be a useful tool  as would use the little torch,and the pen and scissors i prefer. but yes i second the climber as mines always been very useful .

paul   

True Wenger serrated scissors cut bandages better, kind of like mini EMT Shears 

[Zed]

Trauma or EMT Shears is the name you're looking for, a good piece of kit to have in your aid bag. A Climber or Compact with scissors are great for FAKs (First Aid Kits) as well (I have one in mine). 

i think the climber is a good one, also im first aid trained and use it a lot in my job, i recently found that the serrated scissors on my esquire cut through bandages better than the Vics, actually for my job i think a sig light with wenger scissors would be a useful tool  as would use the little torch,and the pen and scissors i prefer. but yes i second the climber as mines always been very useful .

paul   

True Wenger serrated scissors cut bandages better, kind of like mini EMT Shears 

yeah they are like the scissors i carry that have serrated blades, the wengers work great,

[Santos]

Ah yes the wengers
good idea, now to find one with scissors and a torch layer!

my other idea is to get hold of like a spartan lite, lose the opener layer and add scissors (and maybe pliers)

It may just be easier to go a wenger traveler or victorinox compact and stick a small chinese led torch in the kit

(i have also been first aide trained since about 10)

[donvito]

Going with a separate torch might work even better, a small micro light should do the trick.  

p.s. I keep a white and blue inova micro lights in my fak, white for regular tasks and blue for blood spotting/tracking.

[Zed]

Going with a separate torch might work even better, a small micro light should do the trick.  

p.s. I keep a white and blue inova micro lights in my fak, white for regular tasks and blue for blood spotting/tracking.

good advie mate, although usually with old folk the blood is thin and flowing 

paul

[nuphoria]

I'd be inclined to throw in some Uncle Bills Sliver Grippers instead of relying on any other tweezers - they are the best I have ever used and live on my keychain

http://www.raymears.com/Bushcraft_Product/483-Sliver-Gripper-Tweezers/

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

I definitely think the Wenger scissors would be preferable in this role

[Zed]

I definitely think the Wenger scissors would be preferable in this role

im after a larger wenger with scissors, have they all got the serrated ones, 

paul

[Neil]

All except the really old ones.

[Zed]

All except the really old ones.

cheers Neil, 

paul

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

I definitely think the Wenger scissors would be preferable in this role

im after a larger wenger with scissors, have they all got the serrated ones, 

paul

Generally I hate serration in anything, which kinda stops me picking up too many Wengers

[John]

I'd be inclined to throw in some Uncle Bills Sliver Grippers instead of relying on any other tweezers - they are the best I have ever used and live on my keychain

http://www.raymears.com/Bushcraft_Product/483-Sliver-Gripper-Tweezers/

They're the best and I agree 100% 

[Santos]

i am kind of glad i stated this thread, i could of just wacked the clean spare compact i got in there and forgotten about it.

Now i am faced with decisions

I think a wenger traveller is a good idea

but a humble esquire (or pocket tool chest) with microlight might be a better option if i am going the small trauma sheers anyway?
It will take up very little room in my airtight first aide kit (fak just keeps making me think Finnish Army Knife )
It is more of a 'scalpelly' sized blade and grip
 the scissors aren't that small

and the first aide kit lives in my 4wd suzuki which has spotlights, torches, multitools, more tools, water, food, rope etc etc so i shouldn't get to worrid about the sak missing say for example pliers to cut & dislodge a fish hook etc

Also didn't wenger run with a torch layer for a while like the one inside 'The Wenger Giant'  i suddenly have the urge to have a separate torch for the glovebox with swiss blade and serrated scissors

(i blame you all as you are all smurfs, next thing you know i will be deluded into thinkibg i can compete with chako... who needs two kidneys anyway?)

[Santos]

  found it

Wenger Spotlight

Somebody better tell Def that his batteries will need changing this year
Maybe jump on ebay and get the lithium AAAA

[donvito]

fak just keeps making me think Finnish Army Knife

(i blame you all as you are all smurfs, next thing you know i will be deluded into thinkibg i can compete with chako... who needs two kidneys anyway?)

The Finnish Army Knife would be their Puukko so shouldn't be any confusion there 

And I am a Basterd Inglourious that is (watch the movie if you haven't, Tarantino at his best).

p.s. what you have in your car is not always on you, so the bare minimum/basics should be always carried on person (as you seem to be doing) and reliance on something that might get lost, stolen, or misplaced should be avoided 

[Santos]

The Finnish Army Knife would be their Puukko so shouldn't be any confusion there 

And I am a Basterd Inglourious that is (watch the movie if you haven't, Tarantino at his best).

p.s. what you have in your car is not always on you, so the bare minimum/basics should be always carried on person (as you seem to be doing) and reliance on something that might get lost, stolen, or misplaced should be avoided 

What?! you claiming to be american jewish or 1/8th indian apache?
My favourite part is the look of sufering/boredom on Julie Dreyfus face when they flash to the bedroom sceen when she is introduced as 'the social translator'

I also check all my gear before trips and stock up on whats used when i get back.

[donvito]

The Finnish Army Knife would be their Puukko so shouldn't be any confusion there 

And I am a Basterd Inglourious that is (watch the movie if you haven't, Tarantino at his best).

p.s. what you have in your car is not always on you, so the bare minimum/basics should be always carried on person (as you seem to be doing) and reliance on something that might get lost, stolen, or misplaced should be avoided 

What?! you claiming to be american jewish or 1/8th indian apache?
My favourite part is the look of sufering/boredom on Julie Dreyfus face when they flash to the bedroom sceen when she is introduced as 'the social translator'

I also check all my gear before trips and stock up on whats used when i get back.

The hand gestures of the two "Italian" basterds when they were introduced to Landa were priceless 

Would like to hear some of your adventure stories and see some pics 

[Santos]

may be while as i am moving to some temp accomadation for 4 or so month and everything is in storage

[Zed]

found it

Wenger Spotlight

Somebody better tell Def that his batteries will need changing this year
Maybe jump on ebay and get the lithium AAAA

looks like i just found my perfect works SAK 


paul

[Santos]

found it

Wenger Spotlight

Somebody better tell Def that his batteries will need changing this year
Maybe jump on ebay and get the lithium AAAA

looks like i just found my perfect works SAK 


paul

ummm if you actually find one let me know
(then you can have the next one to turn up )

[Zed]

found it

Wenger Spotlight

Somebody better tell Def that his batteries will need changing this year
Maybe jump on ebay and get the lithium AAAA

looks like i just found my perfect works SAK 


paul

ummm if you actually find one let me know
(then you can have the next one to turn up )

i feel this will be a challenge 

paul

[Singh]

get something with a saw, and may you never have to use it. 

[Santos]

lol i was actually going to put a ga in my first aide kit and one in my tool roll, but i suspect they haven't tuned up as i am being investigated by customs. nothing concrete at the moment but i have packages from usa, uk, germany and hong kong all missing... never had that many disappear in the same month.

It turns out i had a good microlight esquire in my fodder lot, just needs new batteries, i will post up the first aide kit pics in a day or two.

[Santos]

Here some pictures

Got to resolve a couple of issues with my glovebox FaK, the antsepic spray leaked through it all so far i replaced all the band-aids. Before some of you freakout.This is a small car kit, that lives permantly in the car, (which has no boot, a tiny lockable glovebox and can flog any car on the quarter mile... providing we were racing on shifting sand dunes)
if i was to go on a long car trip across aus i would have second much larger kit. (it may not look it but it has heaps more than a store bought basic first aid kit)

Things i have discovered that the titanium coated lockback has a busted spring  and by utilising my tetris skills i have more room for a few more things that i been meaning to get round to.... like mini trauma shears

[WhichDawg]

nice kit(s)!

I like going through ours, updating, switching out stuff, making them better.
I have a SAK in each one (I forget which ones ), plus dedicated scissors and bigger blades (folders).
I've been looking for good, hard use tweezers but they are expensive, I have cheapies.

We just got an order of "celox" for rapid blood-clotting. comes in a pouch and is suppose
to be really good at stopping "serious" bleeding (in case other options like pressure points don't work)

"quik-clot" product is more common but not as good, they say it burns and doesn't work as good.

[Santos]

yeah my tweezers are (now) soligner(?)  german jobbies

found them at the bottom of a draw i was raiding for new strips.
tha blood clot stuff sound pretty heavy duty

Also lie to point out first aid trained or not yu should have a reference book in any kit... you might not be the one using it...

[WhichDawg]

exactly on the reference book/card!

"soligner" tweezers or similar are niiiiice! eventually we'll get some good ones.

our clotting stuff is for "last-ditch" efforts in case all else fails.

auto-accidents tend to be serious! I hope I never need to use it!