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Looking At The New Surge.
on: December 30, 2013, 07:11:15 AM
Some pics for those that may find it interesting.
I bought it from an auction site as used, minus the file and box.
Wear in pics was how it arrived.


This anchor is dated 0813. The older stainless one is 0311.




Still grinding on this side.




Same tearing where folded. Same end caps that move around.




Cutout has been rounded off.




Pinchy gap is bigger.




The handles sit further apart.




Handle and fold for the outside tools are deeper.




Handle end and cutout for tool access has changed.




The 'unique' blade exchanger.




If only I had the flat tip eyeglass screwdriver to pry it open with. Fail.




It gets worst. The added thickness makes it stick out. How much?




Enough to slide the saw blade under.
Looks like there are two washers between the handles and both blades.




And the trademark has been registered.




Things I didn't get a pic of before the camera ran out of battery: different padlock pic on linerlock, metal scissor handle, close up of double washer mentioned above and handle cutout for inside tools lock.

The Bosch 'basic for metal' blade and heatshrink fits the old blade exchanger with much less movement than without the heakshrink in the new blade exchanger. I'll update with how it is to use in the future.



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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #1 on: December 30, 2013, 02:32:44 PM
Holiday Elf from Lego Minifigures Series 11? :tu:




And is the black one the New Surge?
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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #2 on: December 30, 2013, 03:51:08 PM
Yes. The BO is new, you can tell by the shape of the cutouts on the handle - they are more curved and less angled, as on the old version.
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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #3 on: December 30, 2013, 03:52:50 PM
So somethings got improved, and some downgraded. :-\ You don't seem too thrilled though.

Thanks for the great pics, they really show the difference. :hatsoff:

It appears to me that the scissors got a bit changed too. Different tips (wider) and the grind seems different too. :think:
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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #4 on: December 30, 2013, 05:16:11 PM
Yes, thank you for the detailed comparison.  It is good to see these differences brought to light, mitigates future disappointments.  I still want one thouh  :drool:   :facepalm:   :drool:   :facepalm:   ::)
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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #5 on: December 30, 2013, 05:26:23 PM
Quote from: detron on December 30, 2013, 05:16:11 PM
Yes, thank you for the detailed comparison.  It is good to see these differences brought to light, mitigates future disappointments.  I still want one thouh  :drool:   :facepalm:   :drool:   :facepalm:   ::)

ditto and I'll need the old one too as well :whistle:
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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #6 on: December 30, 2013, 06:45:02 PM
Luckily they fixed the biggest problems like jamming on the flathead or generall play. Mine have no tearing (SS version).

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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #7 on: December 30, 2013, 07:48:49 PM
I'M GONNA GET ONE! thanks for the photo comparisons mate!
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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #8 on: December 30, 2013, 08:31:42 PM
The biggest and most problematic thing I have noticed is the distance between handles when using the pliers. This is shown well in the pictures posted above. I barely have enough grip span to really get a good purchase over the distance between handles WHEN CLOSED. I haven't been back to work yet, so we'll see how this plays out in the shop when I actually have to grab around something with the pliers.

In comparison, my Wave and ST300 allow a much stouter grip across the handles and feel like they are allowing maximum clamping force.

Something to consider if you already feel like the ST300 is too big for your hands.....

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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #9 on: December 31, 2013, 01:09:09 AM
Quote from: CanadianLMfan on December 30, 2013, 02:32:44 PM
Holiday Elf from Lego Minifigures Series 11? :tu:




And is the black one the New Surge?
Yes and yes. :tu:

Quote from: enki_ck on December 30, 2013, 03:52:50 PM
So somethings got improved, and some downgraded. :-\ You don't seem too thrilled though.

Thanks for the great pics, they really show the difference. :hatsoff:

It appears to me that the scissors got a bit changed too. Different tips (wider) and the grind seems different too. :think:
I'm trying to show the changes more than my opinion. I'll update with my love and hates once it has had some use. Apart from the ramp there is no change to the scissors that I can see.


New Surge, ST3 w/old Surge plier, Core, Old Surge w/ST3 plier.




Different padlock pic.




All metal thumb ramp.




More clearance around lock tab.




Optical illusion? The stainless handle looks to be made from a thicker sheet.




The new blade has a nice curved drop point.




Quote from: detron on December 30, 2013, 05:16:11 PM
Yes, thank you for the detailed comparison.  It is good to see these differences brought to light, mitigates future disappointments.  I still want one thouh  :drool:   :facepalm:   :drool:   :facepalm:   ::)
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Quote from: detron on December 30, 2013, 05:16:11 PM
Yes, thank you for the detailed comparison.  It is good to see these differences brought to light, mitigates future disappointments.  I still want one thouh  :drool:   :facepalm:   :drool:   :facepalm:   ::)

ditto and I'll need the old one too as well :whistle:
Quote from: Goatlord666 on December 30, 2013, 07:48:49 PM
I'M GONNA GET ONE! thanks for the photo comparisons mate!
Cheers, this last pic is for you guys. :whistle:


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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #10 on: December 31, 2013, 01:10:59 AM
that picture would make a GREAT clock!!!!!  (the one with the two tools partially opened)
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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #11 on: December 31, 2013, 01:35:03 AM
hrmm...


it mimics the WAVE more so than anything, I feel like they've finally taken the WAVE's refinement and transferred it over to the Surge.


Now I want at least the BO one for my collection, how much were they running?
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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #12 on: December 31, 2013, 01:37:09 AM
The biggest fail of the new Surge, for me, is the lack of a real, long shank, 3D phillips.  Come on, Leatherman!

But I'll probably still get one.   :)
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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #13 on: December 31, 2013, 03:04:26 AM
Excellent comparison photos zoidberg :salute:

I wonder if the handle separation distance being bigger on the new Surge is intentional, or if yours simply falls within the normal variation range? The way the handles "stop" against the plier head means that it doesn't take very much variation in any number of components to cause the plier handles to separate farther. (hope that makes sense)
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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #14 on: December 31, 2013, 07:53:48 AM
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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #15 on: December 31, 2013, 08:47:52 AM
Quote from: Metropolicity on December 31, 2013, 01:35:03 AM
hrmm...


it mimics the WAVE more so than anything, I feel like they've finally taken the WAVE's refinement and transferred it over to the Surge.


Now I want at least the BO one for my collection, how much were they running?

BO Surge was $115 at the LM store when I was there on Saturday. SS version was $100.
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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #16 on: December 31, 2013, 07:19:41 PM
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BO Surge was $115 at the LM store when I was there on Saturday. SS version was $100.


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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #17 on: December 31, 2013, 08:07:17 PM
Quote from: zoidberg on December 31, 2013, 01:09:09 AM
All metal thumb ramp.



Call me small minded, but this is probably the reason why I will buy a new Surge (and why I haven't bought the old one yet), I hate plastic on my multitools, especially the heavy duty ones. 

The new thumb ramp looks like a piece of art, while the old one looks like a piece of cr*p ... just my personal opinion off course  ;).
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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #18 on: January 02, 2014, 06:16:46 AM
Yes thanks for the pics!! Im hoping I will be able to purchase a Bo Surge soon. :D

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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #19 on: January 02, 2014, 10:28:48 AM
Great comparison pics zoidberg  :salute: i still cant see me getting a new one as my old one is doing well,but if it fails and i need to send it in ill be happy to try the new version, although if the pliers broke i would be happy just to have the new pliers but im guessing they dont fit straight in a old surge  :think:
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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #20 on: January 03, 2014, 07:46:04 AM
Quote from: powernoodle on December 31, 2013, 01:37:09 AM
The biggest fail of the new Surge, for me, is the lack of a real, long shank, 3D phillips.  Come on, Leatherman!

But I'll probably still get one.   :)
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Quote from: J-sews on December 31, 2013, 03:04:26 AM
Excellent comparison photos zoidberg :salute:

I wonder if the handle separation distance being bigger on the new Surge is intentional, or if yours simply falls within the normal variation range? The way the handles "stop" against the plier head means that it doesn't take very much variation in any number of components to cause the plier handles to separate farther. (hope that makes sense)
I understand what you mean. Also the pliers were swapped between the ST3 and old Surge, that could be throwing it out too.


The handle stop is about half a mm forward.




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Quote from: Top-Gear-24 on December 31, 2013, 08:07:17 PM
Quote from: zoidberg on December 31, 2013, 01:09:09 AM
All metal thumb ramp.



Call me small minded, but this is probably the reason why I will buy a new Surge (and why I haven't bought the old one yet), I hate plastic on my multitools, especially the heavy duty ones. 

The new thumb ramp looks like a piece of art, while the old one looks like a piece of cr*p ... just my personal opinion off course  ;).
Totally agree with you on this. It is the change I like the most. :tu:


Quote from: Zed on January 02, 2014, 10:28:48 AM
Great comparison pics zoidberg  :salute: i still cant see me getting a new one as my old one is doing well,but if it fails and i need to send it in ill be happy to try the new version, although if the pliers broke i would be happy just to have the new pliers but im guessing they dont fit straight in a old surge  :think:
Cheers. They do sorta, its the handles that don't quite close.
Personally, I like the old Surge pliers.
I'm trying to resist putting them (and the long Phillips etc) into the new Surge handles.

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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #21 on: January 03, 2014, 04:12:41 PM
Quote from: rdub934 on December 31, 2013, 07:53:48 AM
Sweet Nerf Blasters Zoidberg!

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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #22 on: February 02, 2014, 01:25:21 AM
Life has been busy but I've finally managed a pic of the new ruler markings.


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Re: Looking At The New Surge.
Reply #23 on: June 05, 2014, 04:07:40 PM
Just found one more difference. The handle and barrel are no longer keyed.


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