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Kick vs. PST.
on: June 30, 2014, 08:29:08 PM


  I know that Kick looks like a newer version of the PST but are there any real differences between the two besides the black zytel inserts?
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #1 on: June 30, 2014, 09:06:57 PM
Quote from: ToolJoe on June 30, 2014, 08:29:08 PM


  I know that Kick looks like a newer version of the PST but are there any real differences between the two besides the black zytel inserts?

The PST additionally has (or should that be had) a file, awl and small driver.  In spite of that it is 5g lighter.  Looking at the pics the Kick plier pivot looks much more substantial.

I've just managed to buy a Kick new (wanted non-locking MT).  Possibly I wish it was a PST.  Zytel I suspect is just a fancy word for plastic.
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #2 on: June 30, 2014, 09:24:35 PM
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #3 on: June 30, 2014, 09:25:17 PM
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Kick vs. PST.
Reply #4 on: June 30, 2014, 09:53:24 PM
The zytel is way more comfortable when using the drivers, the pst will dig into the palm of your hand, the kick, fuse and blast don't do that. Do to the inserts.


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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #5 on: June 30, 2014, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: pingu on June 30, 2014, 09:06:57 PM
Zytel I suspect is just a fancy word for plastic.


Not entirely, it's a certain type (brand-name?) of plastic...


Saying Zytel is a fancy word for plastic is like saying S30V is a fancy word for steel :P
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #6 on: June 30, 2014, 11:38:25 PM
Quote from: colt 1911 on June 30, 2014, 09:53:24 PM
The zytel is way more comfortable

This.  The PST is great for several reasons (its the MT that start it all, its thin and light in the pocket, etc.) but in terms of pure comfort, the Kick is superior.  This just makes sense given the micro-evolution of things.
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #7 on: June 30, 2014, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: bmot on June 30, 2014, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: pingu on June 30, 2014, 09:06:57 PM
Zytel I suspect is just a fancy word for plastic.


Not entirely, it's a certain type (brand-name?) of plastic...


Saying Zytel is a fancy word for plastic is like saying S30V is a fancy word for steel :P

And....?

The Zytel makes life a lot more comfortable for applying pressure on the pliers,but requires a working in period. Took about two months with my Fuse,I'd reckon.

If your not a heavy plier user,its worth picking up a PST.

The Kick is easily modded to take extra or different tools too!
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #8 on: July 01, 2014, 12:24:17 AM
Quote from: kirk13 on June 30, 2014, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: bmot on June 30, 2014, 10:11:21 PM
Quote from: pingu on June 30, 2014, 09:06:57 PM
Zytel I suspect is just a fancy word for plastic.


Not entirely, it's a certain type (brand-name?) of plastic...


Saying Zytel is a fancy word for plastic is like saying S30V is a fancy word for steel :P

And....?


Not sure who that's a challenge to but here goes.  The Zytel came as part of the deal.  I'm pleased the backspringless Kick will be around for the day when my Juice S2 backspring inevitably breaks.

I have also noted that the tools were very stiff and suspect the Zytel requires working in as suggested.  In fact I've resorted to slackening the pivots a fraction.

One small point of "Zytel detail", the main blade nail nick is outboard and aligned with a finger grip but the opener tool nail nick is inboard when IMHO it could have been arranged to be outboard.  I find that tool very difficult to deploy without "assistance".

Never handled a PST.  I'm guessing that since the handles are thinner but has an additional layer of tools, the tools must be thinner?

I think the Kick is going to be my "PST", Zytel or no Zytel.






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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #9 on: July 01, 2014, 12:58:06 AM
For those who care, Zytel is pretty cool stuff.  Yeah, its just "plastic", but its a very groovy, highly engineered plastic with tons of applications. 

http://www.dupont.com/products-and-services/plastics-polymers-resins/thermoplastics/brands/zytel-nylon.html
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #10 on: July 01, 2014, 01:06:24 AM
The Kick also has a pocket clip add on.
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #11 on: July 01, 2014, 02:03:50 AM
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #12 on: July 01, 2014, 02:04:40 AM
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #14 on: July 01, 2014, 02:20:56 AM
The Zytel takes up space in the Kicks handle so some tools as you can see are thicker in the PST.  The Kick is more comfortable when applying pressure using the pliers BUT I see both tools as light to medium duty.  Either would make a good light to med carry option tho both IMO need a SAK to round them out.  You could always get a PST2 and get scissors but I guess the same can be said with the Fuse.  They are good tools and either would really be nice to have but my vote would be for the Kick and a Swisschamp.   
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #15 on: July 03, 2014, 09:51:02 AM
I see the Kick as the successor to the sideclip, same tools and pocket clip ( though you have to pay extra for the Kicks clip). All three tools are good :tu:, but the P.S.T is best.

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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #16 on: July 03, 2014, 12:40:16 PM
Quote from: Philby on July 03, 2014, 09:51:02 AM
I see the Kick as the successor to the sideclip, same tools and pocket clip ( though you have to pay extra for the Kicks clip). All three tools are good :tu:, but the P.S.T is best.

Wasn't familiar with the Sideclip until now.  Wow, what an elegant design classic.  Why oh why was that ever retired.  Particularly like the constant thickness (or thinness) handles and Torx screws.  And of course the absence of Zytel.  I just don't get the need for force in a Kick weight tool.  If I needed a little extra comfort on occasions I'd put on a workglove.

I'd love a Sideclip, but not at the prices they are going for now.  Stuck (but not unhappily) with my Zytel sporting Kick.


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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #17 on: July 03, 2014, 08:40:47 PM
I'm thinking maybe the Zytel line of tools was not marketed as well as it could have been. Surely, the Kick would have been a huge hit in the UK had they made them available and at a fair price.
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #18 on: July 03, 2014, 08:50:33 PM
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I'm thinking maybe the Zytel line of tools was not marketed as well as it could have been. Surely, the Kick would have been a huge hit in the UK had they made them available and at a fair price.
The Zytel tools are good, I have a kick, I also bought a Core after they were discontinued and going cheap.  My hope was that I would use the Core hard in work, wait for the inevitable lock tab break ( heard a lot of reports of this ) then use the warranty to get a 300. After almost five years of daily use in work, the Core still looks like new, and I now hope that it never breaks as I've become really attached to it.

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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #19 on: July 04, 2014, 11:33:08 AM
Quote from: sawman on July 03, 2014, 08:40:47 PM
I'm thinking maybe the Zytel line of tools was not marketed as well as it could have been. Surely, the Kick would have been a huge hit in the UK had they made them available and at a fair price.

You'd have thought...they were never a sensible price though!
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #20 on: July 04, 2014, 11:50:36 AM
Quote from: kirk13 on July 04, 2014, 11:33:08 AM
Quote from: sawman on July 03, 2014, 08:40:47 PM
I'm thinking maybe the Zytel line of tools was not marketed as well as it could have been. Surely, the Kick would have been a huge hit in the UK had they made them available and at a fair price.

You'd have thought...they were never a sensible price though!
Ahhh. Well then I ask, why the premium ???
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Reply #21 on: July 04, 2014, 02:18:59 PM
Standard problem Sawman...the numbers of the price stay the same when they cross the pond,but the $ changes to £. Same problem as the Wingman  :shrug:
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Reply #22 on: July 04, 2014, 02:31:11 PM
Quote from: kirk13 on July 04, 2014, 02:18:59 PM
Standard problem Sawman...the numbers of the price stay the same when they cross the pond,but the $ changes to £. Same problem as the Wingman  :shrug:
That's just insane... who makes these crazy rules up anyhow :td:
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #23 on: July 04, 2014, 05:30:02 PM
Quote from: sawman on July 04, 2014, 11:50:36 AM

Ahhh. Well then I ask, why the premium ???

I don't know the answer but something bugs me.  I get the feeling some of us over here are put off claiming on the warranty by the return postage cost to wherever.  Would be interesting to know how the return rates over here compare.  Maybe LM are pricing in what could potentially be their extra costs? :think:
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Re: Kick vs. PST.
Reply #24 on: July 05, 2014, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: sawman on July 04, 2014, 02:31:11 PM
Quote from: kirk13 on July 04, 2014, 02:18:59 PM
Standard problem Sawman...the numbers of the price stay the same when they cross the pond,but the $ changes to £. Same problem as the Wingman  :shrug:
That's just insane... who makes these crazy rules up anyhow :td:

It's not just multitools...Apple products are another good example :rant:
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