Quote from: Syph007 on December 10, 2015, 12:15:06 AMQuote from: Etherealicer on December 07, 2015, 05:27:01 PMLast Friday afternoon, I sent pictures of mine to Swiza to inquire about warranty (I don't have the receipt anymore). Anyway, got a mail today, that I can send mine in and they will replace it. So far the warranty gets a thumb up from me I also have a broken computer case I used for the following test.When you tighten the screws hard the thread gets destroyed and the screw will turn freely. It takes some force but not that much and can easily be achieved with the large flat in straight position (no need to go to 90° for extra torque).Anyway, both large flat on the Pioneer and on the Swiza destroyed the screw without any harm to either tool. So, the only tool I really like on the Swiza still holds his ground.I then repeated the test with the small flat.(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)Needless to say, the screws were of cheap quality and suffered a bit too (Image removed from quote.)No sign of wear on the Pioneer, but the Swizas small flat is gone. It has both a chip and is deformed.Vic parts will bend too, but it takes quite alot of force.Id love to take apart a swiza and do a destructive test on the parts, and compare contrast with vic parts. With pics!!!!!
Quote from: Etherealicer on December 07, 2015, 05:27:01 PMLast Friday afternoon, I sent pictures of mine to Swiza to inquire about warranty (I don't have the receipt anymore). Anyway, got a mail today, that I can send mine in and they will replace it. So far the warranty gets a thumb up from me I also have a broken computer case I used for the following test.When you tighten the screws hard the thread gets destroyed and the screw will turn freely. It takes some force but not that much and can easily be achieved with the large flat in straight position (no need to go to 90° for extra torque).Anyway, both large flat on the Pioneer and on the Swiza destroyed the screw without any harm to either tool. So, the only tool I really like on the Swiza still holds his ground.I then repeated the test with the small flat.(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)Needless to say, the screws were of cheap quality and suffered a bit too (Image removed from quote.)No sign of wear on the Pioneer, but the Swizas small flat is gone. It has both a chip and is deformed.Vic parts will bend too, but it takes quite alot of force.Id love to take apart a swiza and do a destructive test on the parts, and compare contrast with vic parts.
Last Friday afternoon, I sent pictures of mine to Swiza to inquire about warranty (I don't have the receipt anymore). Anyway, got a mail today, that I can send mine in and they will replace it. So far the warranty gets a thumb up from me I also have a broken computer case I used for the following test.When you tighten the screws hard the thread gets destroyed and the screw will turn freely. It takes some force but not that much and can easily be achieved with the large flat in straight position (no need to go to 90° for extra torque).Anyway, both large flat on the Pioneer and on the Swiza destroyed the screw without any harm to either tool. So, the only tool I really like on the Swiza still holds his ground.I then repeated the test with the small flat.(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)Needless to say, the screws were of cheap quality and suffered a bit too (Image removed from quote.)No sign of wear on the Pioneer, but the Swizas small flat is gone. It has both a chip and is deformed.
The Pioneer is a lot more heavy duty than the standard cellidor line of SAKs with thicker tools and use harder back springs.Maybe a more 1:1 comparison is the cellidor models. The Pioneer is based on a military spec and use model.
The up and down movement is an inherant trait to Wenger-style scissors. Really no way around it. I don't mind it, once you're used to it you don't notice.
Quote from: jerseydevil on December 09, 2015, 03:09:16 AMThe up and down movement is an inherant trait to Wenger-style scissors. Really no way around it. I don't mind it, once you're used to it you don't notice.The Leatherman Juice scissors use a very similar mechanism but don't have the bounce, by virtue of having two backsprings instead of one.
It sounds like Swiza needs to work on their heat treatment process for that particular part.
So... the answer is just keep buying Victorinox knives then eh?
Quote from: Syph007 on January 14, 2016, 11:09:09 PMSo... the answer is just keep buying Victorinox knives then eh? Hey if you want to stray from the path you can always buy a Böker City tool (those are pretty good), but Swiza I cannot recommend.
And... Its design and its ergonomics will remain a Swiza knife copy...(Image removed from quote.)
Quote from: jcfiguet on February 03, 2016, 02:28:07 PMAnd... Its design and its ergonomics will remain a Swiza knife copy...(Image removed from quote.)Someone correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the BOKER out before the SWIZA?Furthermore, both knives look like copies of some other knife that eludes me right now
Quote from: firiki on February 03, 2016, 02:38:45 PMQuote from: jcfiguet on February 03, 2016, 02:28:07 PMAnd... Its design and its ergonomics will remain a Swiza knife copy...(Image removed from quote.)Someone correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the BOKER out before the SWIZA?Furthermore, both knives look like copies of some other knife that eludes me right now Yes, Böker was way first...Personally, I prefer the Böker over the Swiza (having carried both). I absolutely adore the blade on the Böker (the 4th hidden pin does not go through the blade layer to give more room for the blade). I wish they had a kick-ass awl instead of that dangerous and weak belt-cutter-thingy and I could do without the glass-breaker.Chinese manufacture or not, the Böker is of good quality (maybe not Victorinox quality but certainly en par with Swiza).
Quote from: Etherealicer on January 15, 2016, 03:36:00 PMQuote from: Syph007 on January 14, 2016, 11:09:09 PMSo... the answer is just keep buying Victorinox knives then eh? Hey if you want to stray from the path you can always buy a Böker City tool (those are pretty good), but Swiza I cannot recommend.Böker is pretty Yes, it's true !(Image removed from quote.)But, but, but...Böker is dangerous with its 45° blade which may close suddenly itself if using the screwdriver at the end of this blade :(Image removed from quote.)Chinese quality assembly... For a German knife...(Image removed from quote.)After this small change, it will be always lovely, always Chinese quality assembly, but much less dangerous. (Image removed from quote.)And... Its design and its ergonomics will remain a Swiza knife copy...(Image removed from quote.)
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