58mm SAKs are dangerous?

red_rider_1979 · **on:** February 13, 2016, 02:06:23 AM

What is the world coming to? I bought a lemon classic 58mm from Rich (central valley wholesale) as well as an alox 93mm. Both of them are classified as "dangerous weapons" and now put on hold at my US freight forwarder. They will not release the items unless I produce the "Material Safety Data Sheet" for them. Otherwise, they have the right to DISCARD my items as I have flouted their import restrictions

mrynnr · **Reply #1 on:** February 13, 2016, 02:21:28 AM

Syph007 · **Reply #2 on:** February 13, 2016, 02:35:51 AM

An msds is for a chemical not a tool. Ask them to show you an msds for a screwdriver.

I guess you will find a new package forwarder as that is absurd.

sLaughterMed · **Reply #3 on:** February 13, 2016, 02:50:35 AM

Quote from: Syph007 on February 13, 2016, 02:35:51 AM

An msds is for a chemical not a tool. Ask them to show you an msds for a screwdriver.

I guess you will find a new package forwarder as that is absurd.

Yeah, I think these people have no clue what is happening, which is shocking since many probably know Exactly what is in those packages.

Sorry you are having so much trouble with this.

FeebleOldMan · **Reply #4 on:** February 13, 2016, 03:38:09 AM

Ugh.. I hope it works out for you in the end. I've shipped fixed blades with vPost before without a problem, so I'm wondering if it's because your purchases have caught the fancy of the receivers.

I have since switched to using 65daigou instead. Much cheaper rates especially with no base charge.

Tomcat_81 · **Reply #5 on:** February 13, 2016, 07:01:16 AM

Try calling them. An email can be put together quite quickly, but a call is harder to ignore, especially if you have good arguments.

Tomcat

shark_za · **Reply #6 on:** February 13, 2016, 12:54:00 PM

Always label SAKs for shipping as Multitools.

People are going mad out there.

twiliter · **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2016, 01:08:17 PM

Maybe consult a lawyer, they have no right to dispose of your property. Why don't they simply return the items to the original shippers, I'm sure they would understand and work with you to find alternatives or refund?

Grathr · **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2016, 01:11:58 PM

I hope this sorts it self out fairly quickly.

Joe58 · **Reply #9 on:** February 13, 2016, 01:30:09 PM

Hope you're able to get it straightened out with these goofs.

The world seems to be circling the toilet bowl these days........

cbl51 · **Reply #10 on:** February 13, 2016, 03:29:18 PM

OMG!

Who knew I was crying around such a dangerous weapon all these years.

dks · **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2016, 03:57:45 PM

I am sure someone, somewhere, made a mistake.

Tomcat_81 · **Reply #12 on:** February 13, 2016, 05:08:52 PM

But to be honest-
I'd never have thought that 58ers were that dangerous until I got a Minichamp.
And there you've got it, now they are 3 and becoming more.
Wicked little beasts.

Tomcat

anditsgone · **Reply #13 on:** February 13, 2016, 05:46:25 PM

styx · **Reply #14 on:** February 13, 2016, 05:53:35 PM

this is just nuts. but then again german amazon refused shipping on some leather care products because they were dangerous

red_rider_1979 · **Reply #15 on:** February 14, 2016, 03:30:17 AM

Yes. It is a very sad thing for me, especially when I have been waiting to add the SAKs to my collection for so long. After almost 3 years of collecting SAKs, there are very few available on eBay that excites me much. Once in a while, something I need pops up at a reasonable price which I'm willing to pay. To have bought the item and be deprived of it due to some error in human judgement is just ridiculous.

red_rider_1979 · **Reply #16 on:** February 14, 2016, 03:35:35 AM

Quote from: FeebleOldMan on February 13, 2016, 03:38:09 AM

Ugh.. I hope it works out for you in the end. I've shipped fixed blades with vPost before without a problem, so I'm wondering if it's because your purchases have caught the fancy of the receivers.

I have since switched to using 65daigou instead. Much cheaper rates especially with no base charge.

That is what puzzled me. I have bought a Kabar USMC knife to satisfy my inner Rambo and I shipped it via vPost as well.

If only I get a moment alone with the staff who is responsible for all these...

red_rider_1979 · **Reply #17 on:** February 14, 2016, 03:44:28 AM

Quote from: Tomcat_81 on February 13, 2016, 07:01:16 AM

Try calling them. An email can be put together quite quickly, but a call is harder to ignore, especially if you have good arguments.

Tomcat

I tried exactly that. Spoke to an Indian guy who seemed to be answering me based on a given set of generic responses. Transferred the call to his superior and he also gave me the same reply. I believe they are based overseas, probably in some 3rd world country, which is why they do not know much about SAKs and kept emphasizing that they are KNIVES!!!

red_rider_1979 · **Reply #18 on:** February 14, 2016, 03:47:12 AM

Quote from: Syph007 on February 13, 2016, 02:35:51 AM

An msds is for a chemical not a tool. Ask them to show you an msds for a screwdriver.

I guess you will find a new package forwarder as that is absurd.

That is what I have gathered as well. Not many commercial products have this MSDS. Which is why it is so weird that my freight forwarder has decided on using the MSDS as the ONLY way to verify a product's safety.

Tomcat_81 · **Reply #19 on:** February 14, 2016, 09:38:00 AM

Quote

I tried exactly that. Spoke to an Indian guy who seemed to be answering me based on a given set of generic responses. Transferred the call to his superior and he also gave me the same reply. I believe they are based overseas, probably in some 3rd world country, which is why they do not know much about SAKs and kept emphasizing that they are KNIVES!!!

Sorry to hear that

Keeping my fingers crossed!

shibafu · **Reply #20 on:** February 14, 2016, 12:22:25 PM

It is possible to find MSDS's for stainless steel and cellulose acetate plastic, which will indicate that in solid form they are non-hazardous. Might be worth a try. This sounds like it might be one of those brain-dead bureaucracy situations that goes away if you can give them an excuse to tick the box.

Humppa · **Reply #21 on:** February 14, 2016, 12:35:23 PM

It seems the world is getting crazy completely.

Dangerous weapons and such in combination with an SAK 58mm beast .. indeed - they are right (and drunk).

I would try to let it get back and then contact about a refund or something. Local laws can be be totally strange.

cody6268 · **Reply #22 on:** February 14, 2016, 02:40:44 PM

Materials Safety Data Sheets are for chemicals and solvents such as cleaners. Requiring one for a knife makes no sense.

Secondly, I don't want to use a 58mm as a primary everyday carry, as the blade is so small. I doubt it would be very good as a weapon. The response by VPost is almost laughable.

Huntsman · **Reply #23 on:** February 15, 2016, 03:22:14 AM

Unfortunately different companies interpret rules and regulations different ways and even at diferent times.

Amazon (.co.uk or .com) used to ship SAKs etc to Oz - Now they do not - I think due to some misunderstanding of Aussie knife laws (which do allow carrying of knives, SAKs etc in certain circumstances) - Or maybe customs confiscated some knives (which BTW has never happened to me or OzeGreg), so they stopped shipping them.

All ridiculous of course, as knives are easily purchasable in many, many shops in regular shopping centres here.

This is a really tough one - as you bought the knife - and it is your forwarder who is objecting.
Is it just the knife persay that they are objecting to? Or the fact it is being shipped to Singapore? As Sing does have strict laws. I was shocked to see a sign saying $1,000 fine for cycling through an underpass in Singapore!!

And the MSDS, as others have pointed out, is ridulous - MSDS categorises risk of corrosion, explosion, flammability, poison etc
They do not know what they are talking about
Even if were relevant what would it say? - 'It's a knife?'

Good luck hope it gets resolved.

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